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Yeah the "Clinton Political Machine" would be pretty useless against Trump in terms of the ratfucking parts, you're never going to beat him on the low road. You beat him by being the candidate more people like, which shouldn't be tough but hell, Clinton is well on her way to being loathed by fully 2/3 of the country so we'll see.
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why is everyone so scared of Trump? he holds the exact same terrible positions as every other republican candidate, just doesn't couch them in southern strategy double speak, and is even to the left of the party in some regards. why is THIS guy so much scarier then everyone else? the hell am I missing?
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rabble rabble posted:why is everyone so scared of Trump? he holds the exact same terrible positions as every other republican candidate, just doesn't couch them in southern strategy double speak, and is even to the left of the party in some regards. why is THIS guy so much scarier then everyone else? the hell am I missing? Hi! Europe speaking. Welcome to the brand new world of crappy post-2000 populism!  Look at how well factual debates and logic has kept Lega Nord, Front National, UKIP, Swedish Democrats, Dansk Folkeparti, True Finns etc. from growing.
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Foo posted:Ted Cruz is currently in 2nd place! Please make rubio third 
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lilljonas posted:Hi! Europe speaking. Welcome to the brand new world of crappy post-2000 populism! At least UKIP's 12% only nets them one seat in Parliament. The US equivalent of UKIP has effectively hijacked one of the only two relevant parties, so we're all kinda hosed.
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Feb 24, 2016 09:56
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:someone as brass and unimaginative as Trump Did you combine brash and crass into one word?
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Jewel Repetition posted:Did you combine brash and crass into one word? new words for a new millenium.
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rabble rabble posted:why is everyone so scared of Trump? he holds the exact same terrible positions as every other republican candidate, just doesn't couch them in southern strategy double speak, and is even to the left of the party in some regards. why is THIS guy so much scarier then everyone else? the hell am I missing? The things that scare me about him are the fact that he likes war crimes more than anyone else running, and Back to the Future II.
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Jewel Repetition posted:Did you combine brash and crass into one word? mike12345 posted:new words for a new millenium.  it's not the most common usage and could totally be a typo, but you guys have never heard "brassy" before?
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It was a typo but to my defense its 4 am on the east coast right now. But you know what I meant, the rest of my point still stands.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:It was a typo WELL THAT'LL TEACH ME TO BE BRASSY
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Zombies' Downfall posted:
I've heard brassy but they said "brass" and were using it as an adjective.
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But yes, Trump has brass that makes him crass, brash and brassy.
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Feb 24, 2016 10:08
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Am I the only one who thinks that Hillary would perform far better in a debate against Trump than Bernie would? Bernie, god bless his soul, seems to leave himself so vulnerable because he just can't seem to be mean. Trump will make fun of his mannerisms, his voice, his glasses, whatever it takes. Bernie will start off on a tangent about Wallstreet and Trump will just role his eyes and silently mock him on the stage going "like, ok". How would it not literally be a repeat of "there you go again!" over and over and over. Bernie getting flustered really easily and then start to stumble on himself. Actually a Bernie vs. Trump debate would go like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGRAonpLeQg
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Feb 24, 2016 10:33
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Hillary can hammer him on his lack of experience working with real politicians. Oh you beat Jeb! Bush? I remember my first election. Then there's the whole literal white nationalist thing. poo poo don't even need to say the white part or hide the fascism behind nationalism.
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Feb 24, 2016 10:37
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DemeaninDemon posted:Hillary can hammer him on his lack of experience working with real politicians. I don't think that's something people look unfavourably upon this cycle
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With 97% reporting the Republican turnout is noticeably lower than the Democratic turnout. Weren't people saying that the Republicans were smashing the Dems in turnout here?
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:With 97% reporting the Republican turnout is noticeably lower than the Democratic turnout. Weren't people saying that the Republicans were smashing the Dems in turnout here? Migf was I think but he's full of Also I don't think Trump's outsider gimmick translates well enough to beat out the Not loving Trump oh god no force.
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Oiled and Ready posted:I'm telling you, 50%+ Trump. Heh. Almost called it.
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Feb 24, 2016 11:02
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President Hillary Rodham Clinton. Just wanted to post that to practice a bit.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:With 97% reporting the Republican turnout is noticeably lower than the Democratic turnout. Weren't people saying that the Republicans were smashing the Dems in turnout here? here are turnout numbers for both parties in the Nevada caucus Democratic Nevada Caucus 2008 - 118,000 2016 - 84,000 Republican Nevada Caucus 2008 - 44,000 2012 - 32,000 2016 - 73,000~ mannerup has issued a correction as of 11:11 on Feb 24, 2016 |
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mannerup posted:here are turnout numbers for both parties in the Nevada caucus So Nevada is safely blue, got it
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Feb 24, 2016 11:15
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:And not nearly enough is being done to combat Trump's whole "Oh I'm beholden to no one because I am self funding my campaign" shtick. The thing is that Trump IS the big corporate interest. He IS the big money donor, the corrupting lobbyist, the institutional problem made flesh. He's freely admitted it. He's just cutting out the middle man and going right to the position of power. Use that poo poo against him. "Look, I make golf courses and build hotels. These are industries that are bolstered by the middle class. I mean it's so simple! Hillary's puppet masters from Goldman Sachs don't care about the American people like I do! All I'm doing is telling the truth and trying to make America great again!"
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Foo posted:So Nevada is safely blue, got it its has been a trend in all of the contests so far with GOP having a surge since the last contested primary and the DNC having a lower turnout. its too early to tell with just these first few contests but if the trend carries throughout Super Tuesday its a concern. Iowa Republican 2008 - 119,000 2012 - 121,000 2016 - 187,000 Iowa Democratic 2008 - 239,000 2016 - 171,000 New Hampshire Republican 2008 - 234,000 2012 - 248,000 2016 - 284,000 New Hampshire Democratic 2008 - 287,000 2016 - 251,000 (edited out the article that was here before since it had garbage and just pulled the raw numbers instead) mannerup has issued a correction as of 14:42 on Feb 24, 2016 |
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Fast Luck posted:They already know the dem South Carolina turnout? yeah I just noticed that part in the article and removed it and just put the raw numbers there instead
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The real story of the night is Rubio's big 2nd place win!
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I'm guessing ol' Marco Roboto declared victory anyway? How many times does he have to lose before people start believing he can't win?
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Alter Ego posted:I'm guessing ol' Marco Roboto declared victory anyway? when he loses Florida to Trump
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:What will it take for someone facing Trump to stop being deathly afraid that he'll say mean things about them on twitter. He's a school yard bully who has gotten his way this entire time. Now I'm not saying that he's a paper tiger, I think we've learned that he's much stronger. But call him out on his bluff. What the gently caress is he going to do? Hillary has been poo poo on by the GOP for over 20 years, she's used to it. Somehow I think she can survive whatever mudslinging someone as brass and unimaginative as Trump can throw. Hillary can use any attack against her as an attack against women in general, and it won't even be much of a stretch considering the vile things he will undoubtedly say! People like Bill. They don't like Trump. Aside from the people who would NEVER EVER EVER vote for a democrat no matter what. People liked bill cosby too.
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rabble rabble posted:why is everyone so scared of Trump? he holds the exact same terrible positions as every other republican candidate, just doesn't couch them in southern strategy double speak, and is even to the left of the party in some regards. why is THIS guy so much scarier then everyone else? the hell am I missing? Yea, saying Bush was the worst president ever and should have been impeached is totally the same as other republicans, along with defending planned parenthood and free healthcare for poor people. Exactly the same.
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Concerned Citizen posted:Mods please make Jewel Repetition poo poo his pants. I agree with CC for this issue.
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Zoran posted:Counterpoint: I don't know if I see that kind of attack going well during the general. Bill is a well liked former President with failing health. And then there's the thing where Hillary isn't Bill. And then there's Trumps issues with women.
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fknlo posted:I don't know if I see that kind of attack going well during the general. Bill is a well liked former President with failing health. And then there's the thing where Hillary isn't Bill. And then there's Trumps issues with women. Hillary doesn't even need to accuse Trump of being a sexist--he does that all on his own, without any help. All he has to do is say something lovely--which he will, because he's Trump--and Hillary can sit back and let it get hours of free media from the pearl-clutchers in the press.
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Alter Ego posted:Hillary doesn't even need to accuse Trump of being a sexist--he does that all on his own, without any help. All he has to do is say something lovely--which he will, because he's Trump--and Hillary can sit back and let it get hours of free media from the pearl-clutchers in the press. She can sit back and lose. It's not sexist and racist - it's against pc culture and the establisment. That's how it has been framed, that's why he's popular, and that's why he won't be hurt by it in the general.
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Alter Ego posted:Hillary doesn't even need to accuse Trump of being a sexist--he does that all on his own, without any help. All he has to do is say something lovely--which he will, because he's Trump--and Hillary can sit back and let it get hours of free media from the pearl-clutchers in the press. The smart play is to point out simple lack of civility and decency. Most people are put off by Trump because of his lack of basic decency and propriety which is the foundation of political correctness.
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mike12345 posted:She can sit back and lose. It's not sexist and racist - it's against pc culture and the establisment. That's how it has been framed, that's why he's popular, and that's why he won't be hurt by it in the general. But how popular is he among people that aren't part of the white nationalist seething ball of white hot rage that is the Republican primary voting base? Not very. He's not going to get minorities and I'm guessing most women will have a massive issue with him as well in the general. If he pivots hard enough in the general to try and lose some of the crazy poo poo he's said involving mexicans, muslims, and women he's going to cool some of that white hot rage behind him. I don't think he has an even remotely easy path to the white house.
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