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For those unfamiliar with the general situation, it's come to light in the past few years that in Rotherham, and at least nine other cities in the UK, there have been huge organized rape and pedophilia rings, pretty all run by Pakistani immigrants, which were actively covered up by the local governments due to the ethnicity of the perpetrators for fear of 'giving oxygen to racism'. This went on from around 1997 (and possibly earlier) right up through 2012 when the Times published an article on the subject. The extent of police involvement and coverups was relatively unknown until recently, however. ugh its Troika fucked around with this message at 23:49 on Feb 25, 2016 |
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-Troika- posted:http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...62aad4f8285c594 Want to provide a link that doesn't redirect to a "subscriber-only article"?
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Feb 25, 2016 07:13
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How does this compare with the other British pedophilia scandal involving upper class twits?
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Feb 25, 2016 07:18
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-Troika- posted:For those unfamiliar with the general situation, it's come to light in the past few years that in Rotherham, and at least nine other cities in the UK, there have been huge organized rape and pedophilia rings, pretty all run by Pakistani immigrants, which were actively covered up by the local governments due to the ethnicity of the perpetrators for fear of 'giving oxygen to racism'. huh i thought jimmy saville was born in wales, not karachi. learn something new every day
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Feb 25, 2016 07:23
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StandardVC10 posted:How does this compare with the other British pedophilia scandal involving upper class twits? Terrible because foreigners are involved. Whereas the posh ones are all in the past and it's silly to waste money on that sort of thing.
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Feb 25, 2016 07:25
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This is actually a pretty huge scandal and it's pretty dumb to just dismiss it with "Well rich white people did (X)!"
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Feb 25, 2016 07:53
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themrguy posted:This is actually a pretty huge scandal and it's pretty dumb to just dismiss it with "Well rich white people did (X)!" It is the non-racist thing to do.
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Feb 25, 2016 07:59
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They were already covering up the members of the government raping children, so how is this any surprise?
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Feb 25, 2016 08:02
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Be incompetent and corrupt on your job, blame it on the fear of racist hysteria, watch the flames.
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Feb 25, 2016 08:12
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themrguy posted:This is actually a pretty huge scandal and it's pretty dumb to just dismiss it with "Well rich white people did (X)!" i dont think anyone's dismissing the 3+ year old unfolding scandal, but rather the racist framing of a bad thread because some tabloid published a timely article and a goon decided to poo poo post about it op mentions "pedophile gangs, pretty much all run by pakis" and uh well uh i can think of uh some other recent examples
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Feb 25, 2016 08:28
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This thread will be a mirror of all the reasons it was swept under the carpet.
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Feb 25, 2016 08:31
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I'm gonna go against the grain here and say child rape is bad and should not happen, also the Government ought to help and protect the victims of it. I know, I know a controversial opinion. This really strikes me as not bothering/caring or at least rationalizing better use of resources and then later justifying it with "Well we had to avoid looking racist."
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Feb 25, 2016 08:32
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i am intensely skeptical that a modern government would actually avoid persecuting something as serious as systemic child rape out of a genuine concern of being seen as racist i suppose it's not out of the realm of possibility, but it would be bizarre as hell if there wasn't another angle to this that makes more political and practical sense
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Feb 25, 2016 09:35
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I think generally the smart money is on them not wanting to investigate systemic corruption aiding child molestation in case it uncovers systemic corruption aiding ongoing governmental child molestation.
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Feb 25, 2016 09:39
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Britain has an amazing immigrant integration program.
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Feb 25, 2016 11:50
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watch out europe; couple million more child rapists en route.
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Feb 25, 2016 12:38
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jimmy savile was an alien scout and he has returned from his home planet with an invasion force?
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Feb 25, 2016 13:34
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The BBC article mentions "race relations" in an aside, but doesn't give any evidence for it or any further impression that this is anything other than a case of awful people paying incompetent/corrupt cops to look the other way.
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Feb 25, 2016 17:11
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Dazzling Addar posted:i am intensely skeptical that a modern government would actually avoid persecuting something as serious as systemic child rape out of a genuine concern of being seen as racist It's not as if "the government" had that as a policy. It was made possible by incompetence and poor oversight on a local level. Fear of "racism" appears to been a factor though as it seems unlikely people directly involved would just make that up.
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Feb 25, 2016 17:23
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Britain has an amazing immigrant integration program. The whole continent does, you lot are electing nazis and smiling through raybans doing it. Also arrest every single person involved in these crimes, deport them as well.
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Feb 25, 2016 17:29
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doverhog posted:It's not as if "the government" had that as a policy. It was made possible by incompetence and poor oversight on a local level. Fear of "racism" appears to been a factor though as it seems unlikely people directly involved would just make that up. It's a useful distraction, like blaming SJW for poor ticket sales. The media eat it up.
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Feb 25, 2016 17:30
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Political Correctness Gone Mad strikes again!!!
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doverhog posted:It's not as if "the government" had that as a policy. It was made possible by incompetence and poor oversight on a local level. Fear of "racism" appears to been a factor though as it seems unlikely people directly involved would just make that up. It seems like a pretty efficient way to cover your rear end, actually.
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Feb 25, 2016 18:34
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doverhog posted:It's not as if "the government" had that as a policy. It was made possible by incompetence and poor oversight on a local level. Fear of "racism" appears to been a factor though as it seems unlikely people directly involved would just make that up.
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Feb 25, 2016 18:48
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StandardVC10 posted:It seems like a pretty efficient way to cover your rear end, actually. How's that? Seems to make the thing worse not better. It's an admission they saw the problem and chose not to act because whatever.
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Feb 25, 2016 18:49
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doverhog posted:How's that? Seems to make the thing worse not better. It's an admission they saw the problem and chose not to act because whatever. instead of saying "it was an institutional failure" or "we didn't take the allegations seriously" or even "some of our fellow officers were also in the child rape ring and we were covering it up" the best possible excuse as to why this was allowed to go on for so long was "we didn't want to make people mad at the immigrants" because it passive-aggressively shifts blame to immigrants, which is an extremely popular thing to do in england
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Feb 25, 2016 18:53
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A Buttery Pastry posted:But the entire British establishment is made up of child molesters. ...and yet, some say they're out of touch with the people.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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A Buttery Pastry posted:But the entire British establishment is made up of child molesters. I keep seeing that, and I'd like to get a good overview of that whole thing? I know about Jimmy Saville, but that's it.
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Feb 25, 2016 18:55
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Popular Thug Drink posted:instead of saying "it was an institutional failure" or "we didn't take the allegations seriously" or even "some of our fellow officers were also in the child rape ring and we were covering it up" the best possible excuse as to why this was allowed to go on for so long was "we didn't want to make people mad at the immigrants" because it passive-aggressively shifts blame to immigrants, which is an extremely popular thing to do in england And yet, that doesn't necessarily make such an accusation baseless.
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Feb 25, 2016 18:56
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MonsieurChoc posted:I keep seeing that, and I'd like to get a good overview of that whole thing? I know about Jimmy Saville, but that's it. basically a bunch of old ministers and lords and MPs got outed as pedophiles, and everyone all the way up to Thatcher knew it and didn't care too much, and everyone investigated conveniently happens to be just old enough to not sink any current politicians by association also something something police looking the other way really hard
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Feb 25, 2016 18:58
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MonsieurChoc posted:I keep seeing that, and I'd like to get a good overview of that whole thing? I know about Jimmy Saville, but that's it. everyone got sued, we can't take allegations seriously, oops we deleted all the witness testimony again, oops judge #4 is also involved better scrap the whole thing It's covered Brown Moses press thread. Everyone in Britain born before the 80s is an active child molester. Everyone. blowfish posted:basically a bunch of old ministers and lords and MPs got outed as pedophiles, and everyone all the way up to Thatcher knew it and didn't care too much, and everyone investigated conveniently happens to be just old enough to not sink any current politicians by association To be specific an article was uncovered in the British Archives detailing a conversation between Thatcher and various MI5 security bods about a ministers predilection for children, with Thatcher's signature and commentary, summed up as "who cares but fucks sake dont tell Russia". The police denied any such evidence existed, and were surprised to find it did, and could be found accidentally, and was everywhere. I think Flat Earth News covers some of the dismantling of the investigations into paedophilia but it may be another source that was posted here I'm thinking of; dozens of people were ready to be arrested, and then the department was stripped to the point of not having a computer. Spangly A fucked around with this message at 19:01 on Feb 25, 2016 |
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Feb 25, 2016 18:59
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Spangly A posted:everyone got sued, we can't take allegations seriously, oops we deleted all the witness testimony again, oops judge #4 is also involved better scrap the whole thing in 2050 this will read "everyone in britain born before the 2020s is an active child molester. everyone", etc etc
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Feb 25, 2016 18:59
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My Imaginary GF posted:And yet, that doesn't necessarily make such an accusation baseless. I think what you mean to say here is that it doesn't necessary make the accusation false, because as things are now it is pretty much entirely baseless except for one comment.
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Feb 25, 2016 19:00
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Spangly A posted:To be specific an article was uncovered in the British Archives detailing a conversation between Thatcher and various MI5 security bods about a ministers predilection for children, with Thatcher's signature and commentary, summed up as "who cares but fucks sake dont tell Russia". The police denied any such evidence existed, and were surprised to find it did, and could be found accidentally, and was everywhere.  quote:I think Flat Earth News covers some of the dismantling of the investigations into paedophilia but it may be another source that was posted here I'm thinking of; dozens of people were ready to be arrested, and then the department was stripped to the point of not having a computer. 
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Feb 25, 2016 19:04
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MonsieurChoc posted:I keep seeing that, and I'd like to get a good overview of that whole thing? I know about Jimmy Saville, but that's it. To be fair, some of them just gently caress dead pigs.
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Feb 25, 2016 19:13
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Lyesh posted:The BBC article mentions "race relations" in an aside, but doesn't give any evidence for it or any further impression that this is anything other than a case of awful people paying incompetent/corrupt cops to look the other way. The other article is better about this but got shovelled under a paywall 30 seconds after I posted the thread  Wikipedia has some notes about the whole racism thing in their nest of articles on the subject (typical of wikipedia, it split each child rape gang up by city instead of having an easy central article).
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Feb 25, 2016 19:14
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OwlFancier posted:I think generally the smart money is on them not wanting to investigate systemic corruption aiding child molestation in case it uncovers systemic corruption aiding ongoing governmental child molestation. The head honchos so far indicted in the conspiracy were pretty well-connected in town, including with the local law enforcement. The only difference between them and the national-level figures is that there was a nonzero probability (as evidenced) of national law enforcement eventually getting wind of the local problem and doing something about it, whereas if you own the national police, you're insulated from pretty much everything. Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 19:18 on Feb 25, 2016 |
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Feb 25, 2016 19:14
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Cabbit posted:To be fair, some of them just gently caress dead pigs.
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Feb 25, 2016 19:15
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This is an absolutely horrific story. I wish the article was better written though because I feel like by far the most significant line of the story isn't the throw away comment on race relations (which sounds an awful lot like a rationalization) but rather this vague but seemingly quite significant passage:quote:The jury heard the Hussain brothers had held a grip over the town and had connections with police officers and some local politicians. Why exactly the author of this story didn't bother to elaborate on what is by far the most alarming part of the story is beyond me. However the crap about "not disturbing race relations" sounds an awful lot like a convenient justification for good old fashioned police corruption. I can imagine that having relatively balkanized racial communities who don't trust or communicate with each other very much fuels this kind of behaviour and makes it easier for the police to ignore it but this looks a hell of a lot more like a police corruption story than a "PC gone mad!" story.
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Spangly A posted:everyone got sued, we can't take allegations seriously, oops we deleted all the witness testimony again, oops judge #4 is also involved better scrap the whole thing  What's the Brown Moses press thread?
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