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Catgirl Al Capone
Dec 15, 2007

Solaris 2.0 posted:

Everyone obsessing over Nazis in Ukraine seem to conveniently ignore the number of Nazis / white nationalists that also happen to exist in Russia, and probably are in the Russian military as well.

My point being it is literally Russian propaganda that Ukraine is full of Nazis and therefore it need's Russian "assistance" to be rid of them.

This is whataboutism, not currently talking about Russian nazis does not mean they do not exist, or that you cannot talk about the real, existing Ukranian nazis and especially the threat that they pose in destabilizing a country currently in an extremely stressful position and therefore the danger in giving them weapons, puff pieces, etc.

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Catgirl Al Capone
Dec 15, 2007

Fritz the Horse posted:

As in the quote above, this will be enforced pretty leniently. Most of us were aware that Ukraine has a significant far-right (neo-Nazi, fascist, whatever terms you feel appropriate) political element and paramilitaries. Hopefully everyone is now aware of this after the last few pages. Simply repeating "Ukraine has Nazis" or similar is not really adding much to the discussion at this point. Again, this is enforced leniently, but I'd encourage posters to add more to the conversation than just repeating common knowledge.

There's been a lot of fairly low-content posting. I'd ask posters to try and keep their posts relevant to the current situation in Eastern Europe and make positive contributions to the discussion.

what spurred this topic wasn't the existence of far-right groups in Ukraine, but many media sources running stories promoting nazis with their nazi armbands in plain view as the front of defense against Russia with the feel-good story about the patriotic granny and all. you do not, under any circumstances, "gotta hand it to them"

Catgirl Al Capone fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Feb 14, 2022

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