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Łódź is so turbojewish it probably breaks the scale. I'd say big towns out here are on a casual antisemitism level - some unpleasantness would be had, but mostly occuring behind one's back. Unless, like, stepping into super obvious bigot/hooligan zone. It's also one of those things that is present in a tertiary role as wokeness vs unwokeness signifiers in the mainstream, ranging from the insufferable discussions about Gross to, like, the Jewish Ghetto Uprising in Warsaw becoming a thing once Polin got opened and started nudging the topic a bit. Anecdotally speaking, my girlfriend looks almost caricaturally jewish (like straight out of nazi "how to spot a Jew" leaflets) and I don't recall it ever causing a stir. Only ever been concerned about her on November 11, but that's *a thing*. alex314 posted:Kaczyński is legit not anti-Semitic, but rest of his power block are the regular mix of right wing people. I was legit surprised to find out the two issues the #1 right-wing clown Terlikowski is fairly consistently decent about is antisemitism and church paedophilia. He's Terlikowski about everything else, but still, quite a pleasant surprise given his track record.
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Mokotow posted:Good news - the left is back in with over 11% and the turnout was the highest since the 89 vote. PSL will probably be the kingmaker now. Bad news - we also have Konfederacja in the parliament - first time an openly pro-Russian party makes it in, not counting SLD, natch. Last time Korwin had 6,1% in exit polls before getting humiliatingly brought down to 4,9%, so let's hope this lightning can strike twice.
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Aumanor posted:Wouldn't PiSs benefit the most of all parties from Korwin falling below the threshold? Maybe it's better that they make it in and be a complete non-factor? I honestly don't care that much about it. PiS still has the majority and I am fairly sure the dead man walking alliance of PSL and however the Kukiz clowns call themselves nowadays (a whopping 9.6%) will get devoured and assimilated by PiS to patch their numbers up. Just as it happened to the Kukiz-orbiting motley the first time around. So it'll be nice to at least have the libtards and nazis get owned.
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Come on, Wypierpol is the only canon word for it.
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Yeah, no EU exit rhetoric has seriously taken hold here (thank God, given some stupid poo poo that did), it only returned as a topical catchphrase for the CON STI TU TION crowd scaremongering (as in: oh no the duck nazis will get us kicked out of EU, this is definitely a line too far for the organization that never does a thing to police its members).
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Mokotow posted:Witki mi opadly i nic mi sie nie chce a nowy rok tuz tuz, co robic, co robic Have you tired drinking? Usually works for me.
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Anne Frank Funk posted:I am pessimistic as gently caress with regards to the situation in Poland re:human rights. Don't want to bring the mood down but it is what it is. I'm fairly optimistic myself. Well, the legislation sucks big time obviously, but I do see it as a sign of things finally cracking in the ruling camp, already struggling under internal pressures, as shown by the recent coalition reshuffling. Now, the de facto abortion ban isn't a popular law - not even in a 'vocal opposition will become more vocal' way - year after year, the polls show the public opinion is way closer to relaxing, rather than tightening these laws (even if ultimately kept from going either way by the moderates). It's not a law passed for their voters - it's a tribute paid for whatever the new deal is within the ruling camp. Sure, the PiS kool-aiders will love it, but the rest of their remaining voter base - those people who traditionally kept ping-ponging between PO and PiS, or who put up with their bullshit for a semblance of social programs - is being made even more uncomfortable with their clownery. Now, I don't think that farmers, taxi cab drivers and Arka Gdynia hools suddenly became #1 abortion stans, but rather picked up the protest momentum to let loose of their own many, many frustrations over this government's clownery. And that's very good - both in general, to get rid of these fuckos and to perhaps have the momentum of a Flagship Issue when it comes to rolling this back one day, to hopefully swing the other way before . And hell, it's been heartwarming to see the Konfederacja nazis backtracking over this, as they're being torn apart over this. Furthermore, as EU is finally starting to get off its rear end and find (budgetary) discplinary measures against Orban, Kaczyński et al, they wouldn't ordinarily give a single gently caress about Poland's abortion cOmPrOmIsE - but now that it's a big flashy topic tightly intertwined with the dissolutoin of rule of law up to the constitutional level, hell, it might just get on the docket for "protecting european values", whatever that's meant to mean. Given the ineptness of our virtually non-existent opposition I wouldn't hope for too much out of it - it's not like we're gonna topple that government over this. But, with no-one to beat them I very much await for every sign of them eventually getting to the 'devouring themselves' stage of downfall (the only way it'll ever end) and to hope for enough pushback to be able to liberalize the abortion law (rather than purely rolling the change back to status quo) before the moderates go back to not caring again. My biggest worry in general over everything that happened over the PiS rule has been that of legacy - of how much of the stupid poo poo they did will never get rolled back, once some useless center-right stooges take their place eventually. So I'm very, very glad to see issue resonating among normie masses and hope that'll last long enough. Also, the brazenness of protestors loving with churches (crashing the masses, spraying abortion hotline numbers on the walls) has been breathtaking. I don't necessarily know if it's ultimately good or bad (in terms of emboldening vs pearl clutching among wide centrist masses), but gently caress if it hasn't finally made me think I might just live long enough to see local politics outgrow the eternal post-solidarity boomer hellscape.
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Anne Frank Funk posted:As a hypothetical, how many years before a leftist party wins elections in Poland in your opinion? About 40, once all Gen-Xers die out. Only half-joking here, the stigma is too strong. We'll have some Inevitable Milquetoast Centrists eventually, but I do think there is some leftward shift going on. Not one that'll lead to Proper Left, but perhaps steer the center-right back more towards center. Another part of the post-solidarity boomer stasis that I think is slowly beginning to die out is this kind of never-mentally-left-the-nineties hyperliberal narrative. For all the PiS-PO polarization, one thing that did happen across the wider masses is that it became okay to say perhaps PO wasn't perfect just because it wasn't PiS. PiS' social programs have been a huge hit and while PO has been laughably slow to grok that maybe they could throw a concession or two to the softer economic voter base of their opponents, now you've got loving Trzaskowski bringing up the topic of junk contracts. There might be some moves in the right direction, carefully repackaged to never admit possible leftist-adjacency. Also, the next centrist to hit it big might do so without particular concessions to court the more moderate of churchgoing conservatives. It's been a bit of a running theme with all the Smiling, Pro-Western PO 2.0 Wannabes pussying out really quickly out of fear of losing moderate conservatives. I think some things could swing in a more progressive direction by sheer virtue of being opposite to what the badwrong pis wanted. I think more lax abortion laws and same-sex civil partnerships (probably not proper marriages though) are relatively realistic to wish for in the immediate post-pis future. Also maybe something concerning the coal industry, but not because they give a poo poo but rather that the inevitable implosion of the Silesian hot potato might complete/be pinned on the late PiS era. PS. Also, thankfully, I think the real hardcore flash in the pan nazi right is relatively short-lived. The whole Kukiz-and-whoever-the-other-idiots-were have been melting like Biedroń's support and what's left ofKonfederacja is having some real tensions between the libtards and nationalists. A lot of the Korwin brigade has been really, really unhappy with this little coalition for a long time. Guess it's been harder to ignore Korwin's more right-wing outbursts as Cool Rebellious Edge. I really wouldn't worry about some nazi apocalypse once we hit the coalition eating its tail due to internal bullshit eventually.
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So we had (at least) two instances of mad chuds wilfully driving cars into protesters (thankfully no major injuries inflicted, I believe). One of whom got a friendly escort from cops instead of even a slap on the wrist. On the other hand, I really do appreciate amounts of personal trolling of people behind the establishment, with home addresses and phone numbers flowing all over the internet. Can't say I'm not tempted to do something about now knowing the entry code to the building Ziemkiewicz lives in.
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Lichtenstein posted:So we had (at least) two instances of mad chuds wilfully driving cars into protesters (thankfully no major injuries inflicted, I believe). One of whom got a friendly escort from cops instead of even a slap on the wrist. Update: turns out the dude was an ABW officer.
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Oct 28, 2020 11:51
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Sekenr posted:I still don't get how and why. Wouldnt every woman in the country be extremely opposed not to mention good chunk of men? How do members of parliament expect to proceed with their lives after voting for such batshit insane law Got their cronies satisfied after recent in-coalition reshuffling and hoped they'll ride it out between covid deterring from mass protests and/or spinning it into your usual polarization-oriented homonazi bullshit. Why care about people who wouldn't vote for you anyway getting more vocal, especially if they can scare the undecideds into voting for you? Especially when you can 100% count on any notable opposition leader being completely inept and unable to capitalize on possible openings. See: pro-abortion centrist darlings trying to ride the protest's coattails without even trying to pay lip service to strike's actual postulates. Or the previous Constitutional Court leader (sort of idealized by the partisan free courts you must vote for lesser evil crowd) casually calling the protestors (who, in large part, went out to try and save his rear end a few years back) rabble, then when he got called out for it went "nooo, I would never call our protestors a rabble, I was grossly misrepresented, now who I meant were those no-good window-breakers from the US and France I compared them to". That's why the right-wingers have it so easy.
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Oct 31, 2020 12:25
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Sekenr posted:But why? Who is happier now? Even Vatican doesnt give a gently caress now I think. Everyone who needs an abortion will just go to Germany, so who won? People important to the ruling party. Not as in 'people who vote' but rather 'people close to them they have a bunch of deals with'.
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Sekenr posted:No, I mean why? How could it possibly a point of contention? Why right-wingers care so much? I come from Belarus, no small thing, I am considering escape but if doctor says so, no questions asked, if a woman decided so - your choice At the risk of sounding very Internet about it: because of the church. The actual doctrine, the turboconservative old farts in the bishopry, a need to request some sort of tribute from the rulers for the continued support. Honestly, about 80% of Polish politics are to some degree about the church. It both sways a lot of influence and is not at all ashamed to exploit it for own benefit.
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A quick guide to all of Polish politics in the last 30 years (insert any hot button issue of choice): 1. Doing things to either please or spite the church (this parameter is 100% of what defines your platform as leftist or conservative) 2. Taboo on ever calling anything leftist or (god forbid) socialist, because spooky scary soviets (this includes, for example, never using the word "party" in a political party's name) 3. Never outgrowing the reaganist enthusiasm of the 90s (one might consider point #2 its direct offspring) 4. Political leaders basing their policies on personal friendships and grudges with people they've encountered when politically active around 1988-1992 and for a populist special: 5. Willingness to import whatever the big social topic is in the US, several years late and with zero understanding of it or surrounding discourse (not that it'd stop anyone from instapicking their stances along partisan lines)
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Can't stop laughing about TVP getting spooked about GERMAN ANTIFA ON THE PROSTEST and then it turns out it was cops.
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Mokotow posted:Is Goulash a soup is one of those :canofworms: questions. Of course it is (it's even in the goddamn name), it's just that all you dummies keep mislabeling pörkölt!
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Pouring one out for all those misguided souls that apparently never saw a goulash. I know it's hard to acknowledge your grandma might have been wrong in kitchen, but a lecsó isn't made from vienna sausages either.
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Doctor Malaver posted:System of a Down used to be an American band with their Armenian ancestry largely unknown. What? They've always been into Armenian Genocide as one of their evergreen topics, constantly regurgitated in lyrics, interviews and assorted hot takes.
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dex_sda posted:Włodzimierz Czarzasty, left coalition leader, beat up a cop. Or so the right wingers claim - in reality Czarzasty didn't even notice and the cop hurt himself running away after pushing Czarzasty and realising he just attacked the Deputy Marshal. For full context, people must understand that this is apparently how an antifa commando looks like:  goblin week posted:Yesterday, on another iteration of Women’s Strike, polish police went absolutely omon on protesters. Cordoning them off and beating them senseless, employing plainclothes* with metal batons, pepper spraying the vice-speaker of the house in the face after tearing her ID in half, breaking bones after dragging people into the vans, all while Jarosław Kaczyński was transmitting a speech about homofascists under SS signs They apparently sacked the last chief of police who refused to suppress the protests by force the first time, so I guess they've gotten some stooge in already.
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GABA ghoul posted:I wonder how long Russia can keep going on like this. The post 2014 economic crash was almost as bad as the 98' crash and now the economy is just stagnating while corruption grows and they fall back further and further and become increasingly isolated. They gotta hit rock bottom at some point. This poo poo can't go on forever. The big question is what'll happen after Putin is gone (if only due to age). This isn't exactly a system interested in creating strong underlings. quote:blackbox chat I remember that back when this whole matter was fresh and everyone was waiting for the transcripts (as nobody had any idea what the gently caress what went on), PiS was already pre-conspiracy theorying about evil bad russians interfering RELEASE THE TRUTH and then they ended up stealth-censoring the expletives, because that just wasn't heroic enough I suppose. I also remember that when Jarosław Kaczyński was running for president in 2010 (as the post, uh, just vacated) he made this really perplexing concilliatory speech "to Russian brothers", which was a complete 180 on the anti-Russian stance out of nowhere. But people raised their eyebrows and just went along with it in the moment. Then sometime after the campaign had concluded he was asked what was the deal with that and he explained that he cannot really answee, since he was so pumped with psychotropic drugs he didn't really remember anything from that month. Which, perfectly understandable on a personal level, but also everyone somehow apparently just shrugged and went "yep, nothing weird about running for the highest office in such state". Like how the gently caress is a politician allowed to make such an admission and keep his career?
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I'm gonna hustle for Pfizer because it's the patrician's choice and has bigger numbers and also I have miniscule enough human contact already I can afford to wait a tiny bit longer for what is essentially a whim. Might even get a nice trip to a nearby town out of it.
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Poland here. You can choose and pick (both vaccine and place) pretty much as you please, first come first serve on available dates, except the online system sort of started hiding some of them and someone coded their own vaccine search engine, but it's not working. The 'hiding' part sounds a bit  but honestly I don't have any idea what's up with that, it's like some places don't bother to fully integrate with the system and supposedly it worked better a few days ago?Anyway, it was a bitch hunting for Pfizer, but then I got tipped off about an unlisted batch in a nearby clinic, called them and got my appointment set in a week with no real fuss or shenanigans. And despite them seemingly ghosting the governmental browser, once they written me down I got the official confirmation sms & email from the central system in like 15 seconds anyway  .So anyway instead of havign to wait 10 weeks I get to get the shot about 20 meters from my house in the back of a pizzeria so that's pretty neat and also hilariously shady for no real reason.
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Tevery Best posted:Yeah, I don't think anybody who's not an outright ONR fascist covers for Bury. IPN has classified his actions as "bearing features of genocide," that's not something you can pretend didn't happen. Also he was a snitch who sold out all of his underground contacts, so you need to be really into genocide to defend that fucker. Oh, you sweet summer child. IPN just happened to change its mind a few years back.  The PiS establishment is in this awkward place where they're not quite ready to really cover for him if pressed, but they're perfectly happy to keep him in the cursed soldiers mythos when at liberty to preach to the choir (or rather, nod approvingly as the choir preaches to itself). Guess the eastern poland nazi vote can be complicated sometimes!!!
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Finally read some, if brief, legal analysis on the vote by Constitutional Tribunal of Poland. Grim stuff, since there will be no way for Poland to be an EU member state if PiS decides to double down on it. If Articles 2 and 19 objections could be partially salvaged, in theory, objections against Articles 1 and 4 are extremely dire, and I must admit that I sincerely hope that the new German government will not seek to prevent France from butchering Poland with a dull knife. I think if decides to double down on it is key here. As in, if they do use it to push bullshit to reach a you-know-and-I-know situation. If it stays an act of dickwaving then, while definitely not a great look, it's actually somewhat legally tricky - not unlike what happened with Germany's Contitutional Tribunal ruling from May 5th 2020. It's a bit of a chicken and egg situation, where the international act is supposed to have precedence, but is also specified as only existing because governments legitimized by constitutions agreed to it (unlike, say, human rights, which despite really working the same way we pretend to just magically exist with the treaties just sorting out fine details. Nobody's going to sanction you for not liking the EU). So it kind of has to be superior law to work as agreed to, but if the constitutions aren't superior to it you end up with a case of immaculate conception. In less hoity-toity theoretical terms, you still got stuff like Art. 3b of the Treaty of Lisbon - and the EU we've got was built specifically to appease all the people being babies about the spectre of a federal euro union. It could all probably be avoided, were the treaties strongly worded like the WTO ones, but as it stands you cannot really unequivocally cut this bullshit without introducing a number of implications that'd require everyone to be onboard with the spooky scary eurostate - and that's very much just not possible as things stand now. It's a huge mess, basically, and if it happened in more benign circumstances there's a fair chance the EU would spend a handful of years cooking up some ruling to marry theoretical agreement paired with practical disagreement. But given this is a hostile, bad faith act forming a part of a larger, noticeable internal problem in need of stamping out - yeah, there's quite some pressure to focus on the practical applications first and foremost. Still, I expect this to unfold way messier than going "ok, Poland, just gently caress off". [edit] Just in case it's not clear, I don't really want to devil's advocate this suicidal dickwaving poo poo. It's just that the fuckers know they actually have some legs to stand on once the matters go from headlines and current politics to actually trying to introduce changes to some fundamental laws behind the EU. Kind of like China abusing the developing country status is a mix of complete bullshit and kinda legit, making it somewhat tricky to deal with. Lichtenstein fucked around with this message at 14:42 on Oct 10, 2021 |
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I'll just leave this here, because words fail to describe the perfection of this somehow authentic news piece: https://notesfrompoland.com/2021/12/03/polish-concert-for-troops-defending-border-to-feature-las-ketchup-and-lou-bega/
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The Lou Bega concert going fine. https://twitter.com/_6BPD_/status/1467573860186865665
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