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CommieGIR posted:Except for that whole part where they basically already have had troops inside Ukraine for ages: those partisans popped out of these graves  https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2014/9/22/in-pictures-destruction-in-ukraines-luhansk/ ukrainian nazis started this war by driving over peaceful protestors with tanks, and thats why luhansk and donetsk are willing to accept help from anyone to avoid falling under the rule of murderers and nazis
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CommieGIR posted:Pretty sure that the insurgency predates that grave and that article but nice job shifting the goal posts. what goal posts, you just posted a series of wikipedia links and something about.... what biden said during the early conflict? but yeah, when you got ethnic massacres going on, a separatist rebellion is kinda the inevitable result
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CommieGIR posted:Pretty sure that the insurgency predates that grave and that article but nice job shifting the goal posts. stop loving editing your posts in response to my later posts. if you are currently being ethnically cleansed, i do indeed think it is morally ok to accept any and all help coming in, no matter the source
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could you maybe moderate the thread before debating me commiegir. like maybe ban that guy under you accusing me of genocide denialism
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CommieGIR posted:I'll let another mod deal with it: Answer the question. Where is the claim of Ethnic cleansing come from? On what basis? Mysteriously, the claims of Ethnic Cleansing didn't occur until AFTER Yunokovich fled and Russia was already caught on tape openly planning the annexation of Crimea. what kind of evidence would you like? news links from 2014?
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CommieGIR posted:Your article in NO WAY states there is ethnic cleansing, and is largely talking about the cease fire and deaths from the insurgency, so again, if the insurgency was about stopping some sort of ethnic cleaning, you think they'd mention that. that was just a random article that popped up, but if i understand correctly, you want me to write a timeline of the grievances that led the people of Donetsk and Luhansk to rise up in an actual peoples revolt. which is quite the request, if that is what you want?
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CommieGIR posted:No I want you to, within the frame of the CURRENT Insurgency and Russian intervention, show me where this ethnic cleansing is? If your argument rests on Donbass needing Russian support to stop a genocide, then show me where that is and when was it occurring from 2014 till now? https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/07/06/donbass-russians-subject-unparalleled-ethnic-cleansing/ heres a good one going through the roots of the conflict
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/22/russian-convoy-crosses-border-ukraine-without-permission if you recall these aid convoys, they were in response to a blockade instituted on the luhansk and donetsk territories. people were being starved CommieGIR posted:You realize that's a Russian funded think tank, right and is largely viewed as an arm of the russian government? i was actually writing a joke post with that on another tab, posted by mistake. anyway, you do want us go through the early luhansk and donetsk events? what do you remember of it?
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Fritz the Horse posted:I skimmed the last few pages of the thread, they will be acted on. Most of the mods are in the middle of their work day or asleep right now. sorry about making it so hot by my mere presence i guess!
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Fritz the Horse posted:So you were going to post a link to an antisemitic (and a whole lot else) conspiracy theory organization as a joke, correct? as a satiristic response to what is being demanded of me, which is a short history on the origins of luhansk-donetsk crisis, yes. i trust that i can have like a day or two to write that? i got other poo poo to do tonight, but ill get to it tomorrow (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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