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Divorced And Curious
Jan 23, 2009

democracy depends on sausage sizzles
let's see if we can go a month without some gronk posting about nuclear power this time

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Divorced And Curious
Jan 23, 2009

democracy depends on sausage sizzles

Endman posted:

Doesn't the UK still use FPTP?

Also Canada, the US, and (for electorate seats) New Zealand. It's the blurst.

Divorced And Curious
Jan 23, 2009

democracy depends on sausage sizzles

LibertyCat posted:

What do numbers have to do with my statement?

libertarian economics.txt

Divorced And Curious
Jan 23, 2009

democracy depends on sausage sizzles

LibertyCat posted:

This is eating food others have grown/packed/transported/served, paying rent on a house that other people have bought&maintained, and using utilities that others have worked hard to repair in thunderstorms, all without doing anything positive to contribute back.

I agree that bosses are parasites and should be murdered too, but we're talking about unemployment here.

LibertyCat posted:

This is why I have not said to cut people off completely - just spend enough to keep them alive, nothing more.

How does, say, paying somebody at the poverty line or just above sound? Because what you're suggesting that we move people to is actually significantly higher than newstart is now, so thanks for demonstrating you have no idea about what needing to rely on centrelink is actually like.

LibertyCat posted:

legitimate refugees,

oh lord there's a whole new world of conservative crazy waiting to be unearthed here

LibertyCat posted:

If you will seriously commit a crime because you can't afford to see DeadPool, you deserve jail.
sure hope you've never pirated a movie then

Divorced And Curious
Jan 23, 2009

democracy depends on sausage sizzles
some of you might have noticed that Albo has stepped up his attacks on the the Greens from the usual Labor lines to red baiting (which is hilarious, coming from a high profile member of the so called "Socialist Left" faction of the ALP) to finally just making poo poo up and claiming the Greens are going to preference the Libs. Unsurprisingly such a preference deal only exists in the heads of Labor brokens.

https://www.facebook.com/notes/jim-casey-greens/message-from-the-nsw-greens-campaign-coordinator-on-preferences/1681288005493989

Honestly this is quite a clever move by Labor politically. If we run open tickets or the Liberals preference us above Labor (as they used to before figuring we posed too much of a threat), they'll claim this was true all along, and if we preference Labor, they'll claim that it was only because they "exposed" us. In reality, preferences are decided by local groups rather than some shadowy head office, we have never preferenced the Liberals - something Labor certainly can't claim - and famed "good guy, have a beer with him" Albanese is flat out inventing bullshit for political gain.

Divorced And Curious
Jan 23, 2009

democracy depends on sausage sizzles

iajanus posted:

He does it regularly, I tend to just reply edited versions of posts from here in response to get him and his cronies to go nuts.

is it byrne

Divorced And Curious
Jan 23, 2009

democracy depends on sausage sizzles
stephen smith voted to lock up and torture refugees but he gets points for this http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/story/518774.html

Divorced And Curious
Jan 23, 2009

democracy depends on sausage sizzles

Higsian posted:

I guess we've officially moved on from the Lebanese now? 'Bout time really, they were never as good a scare as the Vietnamese.

Shame it's all "Africans" though. Just feels lazy to not point at a specific nationality.

like your average conservative columnist knows the difference anyway

Divorced And Curious
Jan 23, 2009

democracy depends on sausage sizzles

Anidav posted:

I am the Boat Genie. I will grant you 3 watersport related wishes.

is a golden shower a watersport

Divorced And Curious
Jan 23, 2009

democracy depends on sausage sizzles

EvilElmo posted:

Solidifies a 3 party system in the Senate. Xenophon will slowly lose his spot after a high water mark this election. It will now basically be impossible for an independent or small party gain a foothold. If the ALP/LNP did this 50 years ago there would be no Greens.

*frrrrrrrrrrrt*

Divorced And Curious
Jan 23, 2009

democracy depends on sausage sizzles
groon superstar quantum mechanic also did this breakdown on voting systems https://greenstwitterati.wordpress.com/2014/01/27/proportional-representation-the-main-methods/

if you want to go all the way to wonk factor 5 he's also got a full breakdown of NSW state lower house simulated as a hare-clark contest

Divorced And Curious
Jan 23, 2009

democracy depends on sausage sizzles

starkebn posted:

but there's still time for discussion right? Not that it's good for anything because everyone has already made their minds up.

oh, it was discussed all right. bob day talked for ten minutes about how marriage equality is a gateway to paedophilia and child abuse, and compared anti-marriage equality campaigners to mlk. seriously.

that's right, labor would rather let bob day dribble homophobic poo poo than actually vote on marriage equality.

Divorced And Curious
Jan 23, 2009

democracy depends on sausage sizzles

EvilElmo posted:

Note that the Greens leader also didn't want a vote this week.

sure that's why he moved for a vote. jesus christ.

it's natural that a labor hack would pay more attention to a media quote out of context than what actually happens in parliament, because the latter is a lot harder to spin and reveals how right wing your party actually is

Divorced And Curious
Jan 23, 2009

democracy depends on sausage sizzles

open24hours posted:

It's the same way in the ACT. Upper houses are overrated anyway.

The ACT has Hare-Clark proportional representation in the lower house, though, so it doesn't need one.

I'm generally in favour of fixed terms but 4 years in a state with no PR and no upper house is madness.

Divorced And Curious
Jan 23, 2009

democracy depends on sausage sizzles

Solemn Sloth posted:

Becoming more and more obvious that Daniel Andrews has federal aspirations imo.

looking forward to daniel andrews promising to go even harder on refugees only to lose to mike baird anyway

Divorced And Curious
Jan 23, 2009

democracy depends on sausage sizzles

Anidav posted:

I feel like Paddington will go Green too, correct me if I'm wrong:


Wouldn't ALP exhaust and go Green putting GRN ahead of LNP?

No, because OPV and Labor voters either 2nd prefing Libs or more likely just voting 1 mean there won't be a strong enough flow from Labor to Green unless we're ridiculously lucky.

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Divorced And Curious
Jan 23, 2009

democracy depends on sausage sizzles

Anidav posted:

Well the preference flow hasn't come through yet but I'm in Paddington Ward and the ALP HTV Cards had Green at 2. So it wasn't a J.V.O Campaign.

Correct it wasn't - Labor would get bollocked by the unions if they tried to run one - but a lot of Labor voters will just vote 1, as we've noticed everywhere which has OPV.

Kat Delacour posted:

Mind you, they said the same thing about Prahran.

No, they didn't. Prahran was a different situation because Victoria has CPV. The more accurate analogy is the NSW state seat of Lismore, where if all or most of Labor's prefs had flowed to the Greens the seat would have been won by the Greens, but many of them just voted 1 Labor and exhausted their vote so the seat was retained by the Nationals.

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