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DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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TetsuoTW posted:

I can't wait until someone makes a superhero movie that actually is grim, dark, and gritty.

Punisher: War Zone. Neon lights are the dimmest lights.

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DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Costume nothing, how about the delivery on Spidey's line? I hope that's not really in there, he sounds so bored. Like, he should flop down on the couch and sigh right after or something.

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Snowglobe of Doom posted:

He's a 14 year old boy who just picked a fight with Captain America, he's lucky he managed to get the line out without his voice breaking. :v:

I would like that much better, thought it's too unsubtle. He sounds like he doesn't give a poo poo about meeting/fighting a bunch of celebrity deities.

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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At first I was like, no way can Ant Man and Iron Man 3 be that bad, Age of Ultron was insanely terrible. That question mark just doesn't stand out. I'm saying your 30 second mspaint graph lacks visual rigor.

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Guy A. Person posted:

It seems like you're moving the goal posts from "overwrought and poorly-substantiated fan-theories and headcanons about secret depth and moral complexity" alllllll the way to "people defending MoS/BvS when (I think) it is bad".

It's not even moving the goalposts, he straight up said that he considers some movies indefensible, and any defense of them is therefore disingenuous because the quality of the films is objective. Stop responding to Tezzor, dang

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Same, as well, also. Me too

net cafe scandal posted:

Now that the console wars are over DC vs Marvel is back in a big way.

Whence the civility of "The Distinguished Competition"? A more civilized argument, from a more civilized age.

I remember when I gave a poo poo about comic book sales, it was embarrassing. Now we have been poisoned by MrBibs and people are praying The Avengers won't (or will) be proved better than Batman v Superman in the court of money

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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TFRazorsaw posted:

My point isn't anything about the movie being good or bad (right now) so much as the attitude that "DC is doing its own thing, not trying to do what Marvel did, so don't compare them", when DC is, at least in some respects, doing exactly that.

Your point isn't really about the movies at all, dude. Is there anything in the movies about homie's love for death? Guardians makes him out more like the evil leader of a Space Dojo from a wuxia movie they've never released, with his badass henchdaughters, or maybe a Space Narco bossing around the small time local Space Gangsters.

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Gyges posted:

Honestly, I'd expect the Superman and Batman merchandising to cover the entire movie and marketing all on their own with money to spare. I think both of them together is over half a billion a year without movies and poo poo.

They got batman and superman boxer briefs at the Kroger. It's like 4 bucks a pair to have the batfleck symbol on your bulge.

Also, I rewatched Spider Man 3. It's still good, and awesome, and no comic movie since has had fight scenes half as good. Closest might be Scott Pilgrim or 300. Dredd and Punisher: War Zone were good too but SM3's are great.

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Rhyno posted:

They had 3 different women's styles so you are probably correct.

I think I mentioned this somewhere but they have t shirts and boxers in the grocery story here. Also giant batman and superman balloons. A package of underwear costs more than a movie ticket ($12 for 3 pairs)

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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SaviourX posted:

This is correct, I had a Don that turned into a race car for some loving reason. Splinter turned into the Party Wagon, which was way better.

Also, I have a Bonafrog that looks over my desk with classic Don. [/manchild]

I still have the Splinter Party Wagon thing. Or rather my son does. It's pretty rad, but the Splinter version is fat and can barely do anything.

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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TetsuoTW posted:

Gao's Mandarin was fine - better than American productions usually feature. Yes, she has an accent and it may not be her first language (I'd wager that was Cantonese), but you know who else doesn't speak Mandarin either with a proper Beijing accent or as a first language? The overwhelming majority of Chinese citizens.

poo poo dude, besides party tv who considers fucken Beijingr a proper accent. It's like if instead of bland, easily parseable midwestern US tv had chosen to use New Yorkers who say "youse" for broadcasts.

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Josh Lyman posted:

I'm from Hunan and my Chinese-speaking colleagues say my pronunciation sounds "gay".

What do you speak natively, Xiang? Ironic given it was Mao's original language IIRC. I hear the gay thing about Taiwanese accents a lot, too.

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Josh Lyman posted:

No, I only speak Mandarin.

Ah, I misunderstood the bit about "Chinese speaking colleagues"

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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rakovsky maybe posted:

Eh, if Professor X is MLK and Magneto is Malcolm X, Apocalypse is basically the black Israelite street preachers who yell at passerbys. Except with like matter control and such.

This was always an awful analogy though. If anything Malcolm's black separatist notions were much less radical and dangerous than King's outright Christian socialism. That Reverend King was becoming more radical when he was killed, and Malcolm was in the middle of a total reworking of his whole perspective, is depressingly unlikely to be a coincidence

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Branagh's decision to start Thor out as the God of Ethnic Cleansing is a great one but no part of the movie lives up to it, including the parts that are about it

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Sir Kodiak posted:

I wanted to like Iron Man 3 more than I ultimately do. Shane Black and RDJ obviously work well together, but I don't think the action really holds up all that well.

I haven't seen it but I kind of think Kiss Kiss Bang Bang is obnoxious and so I'm not hyper enthused? But then I also kind like KKBB so I am? I dunno how good is good?

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

Handsome Neanderthal.

Waaaaaay too much forehead

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Shageletic posted:

ITT nerds diss stars looks and express face blindness.

Neanderthals had sloped brows and almost no forehead, doofus

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Snowglobe of Doom posted:

That "good movie" fuckin' murdered Michel Gondry's career but Evan Goldberg and Seth Rogen got away scott free, I'm still angry. :argh:

It WAS good though, and it turned out Gondry was a great action director.

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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SolidSnakesBandana posted:

This is utter nonsense. Every superhero is a vigilante fighting for the law, Batman is not unique in that regard. Not to mention the no-killing thing applied across the entire DC Universe, not just Batman. Season 1 of Arrow made little sense when Oliver Queen was killing folks so they ended up backstepping and making him stop killing dudes.

Hahaha a dude whose gimmick is shooting people with a bow and arrow doesn't kill people anymore?

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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KVeezy3 posted:

That you think justice can only be legally sanctioned is a little disturbing. Like returning a runaway slave.

Conversely, it's fine for batman to wander around assaulting people and manufacturing cases for the prosecution as long as he (and the reader) are disgusted by their actions. Notwithstanding that one of the stock openings to a Batman/Spider-Man story is them tarzaning away from some bound and beaten people, their crimes left totally off panel. In which context their preferred modes of transport ( brachiating from building to building on artificial vines) is notable - they are the kings of the urban jungle, and all the apes and animals are under their jurisdiction.

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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K. Waste posted:

Wait, I thought that was Larry Clark's desktop.

Larry's not even that subtle, his desktop background would just be a close up of Chloe sevigny's crotch

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Jenny Angel posted:

Did you know that the top three ranked featherweights in MMA have seven first names between them

Are we counting McGregor as like, Mac and Gregor or something?

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Uncle Boogeyman posted:

Dead Man's Party is cool and I like some of his movie stuff as well, but the Simpsons theme is far and away the most brilliant piece of music he ever recorded.

I think the issue is less that people don't care about music in their movies (although there's a little of that) and more that most people have no idea how to talk about music, which is also why music journalism as a whole is such a joke.

It's Simpsons theme, then the skeleton army battle song from Army of Darkness, then whatever. Oingo Boingo is fine, his scores are fine.

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Uncle Boogeyman posted:

yeah Army of Darkness is probably my favorite film score of his too.

Iirc he didn't actually do the score, just the skeleton army song and some theme concepts, so that probably explains that. The guy who did Evil Dead and Dead by Dawn did most of the score.

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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SolidSnakesBandana posted:

I can almost guarantee you that if you polled people exiting the theater of a movie they just watched, almost none of them will be able to remember any music from it. That's what I took away from CP's post and I agree. Would you expect people to remember the score to something like a Looney Tunes cartoon? When I think about iconic scores I think Tim Burton's Batman, the OG Superman's, and obviously Star Wars.One connection they all have is that their most iconic themes are playing when nothing's actually happening on screen except maybe some rolling text, so maybe there's something to that. I'm able to recall that I enjoyed the music during the stampede scene in Lion King but I can't remember how it went.

That's a weird example, everyone knows the Looney Tunes theme, and the show was built around setting funny cartoons to musical accompaniment (hence the name, and the names of its sister series, Silly Symphonies and Merrie Melodies). I'm sure lots of people at least remember the arrangements of classical opera and romantic pieces in Looney Tunes shorts.

Edit also no kidding all you think of is the themes from major nerd media from when you were a kid I can't imagine why

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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SuperMechagodzilla posted:

Fans are trapped in this notion that Batman used to be good until now ("Make Batmerica Great Again!"), when the actual point is that Batman was never good.

Alternately, it's not a mistake that we are left wondering - wait, did he always kill people? Surely this happened after 9/11 right? up until then he was a good dude.

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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SuperMechagodzilla posted:

Well the original argument was that we should have seen a flashback to Batman's standard operating procedure from which he's deviated. That misses that the introductory scene, with him crawling across the ceiling, is the standard operating procedure. This is how he's always worked - bloodying criminals, brutal interrogation, terrifying onlookers, etc. The only thing new is the brand.

That's the entire point of Alfred in the film. Alfred is the voice of 'commonsense', pushing for moderate behaviour, advocating for a normal life, and reminiscing about the way things used to be. And he's also explicitly wrong. Wayne must instead follow Superman.

Right, perhaps I was unclear. What I'm saying is the desire to see how Batman "used to be" is tied to the conviction that he, and by extension your Frank Millers and George Bushes and pseudo fascists in general, were good people doing their best until 9/11 "broke their brains". That's a fantasy though - like you've said, Batman always killed people, just some Batmans the audience ignored it, some they justified it, and some they willfully entered the fantasy that his methods could be nonlethal. In BvS super-9/11 is less a loss of innocence than a lifting of the veil, Vietnam style. Batman finally gets his excuse to give up.

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Kurzon posted:

Batman is a silly-arse character who is written mostly by sheltered white people who know little about crime, policing, government, and corporations; and their work in turn is controlled tightly by corporate bigwigs whose concerns are sustaining sales and a larger franchise. Batman is not Animal Farm. He is not written to teach us anything.

I'm morbidly curious as to how you read Animal Farm

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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The MSJ posted:

Hugh Jackman commissioned these covers from Joe Quesada for Bryan Singer.


In other news, costume sellers say that they are unable to keep up with the demand for Harley Quinn costumes this Halloween. Superheroes in general are the most popular costumes this year.
http://time.com/4510616/most-popular-halloween-costume-superhero-princess/

The coloring on that is loving awful, just look at how ruined the pencils/inks are

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

It also works because violence isn't volleyball.


Uncle Boogeyman posted:

The things about Godzilla is it was willing to really grapple with all that stuff in a serious way, whereas Cloverfield felt like 9/11: The Ride.

Cloverfield apes Godzilla really explicitly with the scenes of people dying in hospitals, but doesn't stick the landing because of goofy stuff like rebar impaling survivor girl and how often it feels like someone's fantasy of what they would totally have done if they were there at 9/11. Which isn't a problem necessarily, but it's a weird juxtaposition to the use of the camera as distancing device to have it also be a daydream badass fantasy.

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Jonah Galtberg posted:

9/11 is the only terrorist act (or act of violence of any sort) with consequence or import in history

What are you even responding to? Cloverfield and BvS are explicitly about 9/11, no one is claiming, like, Battle of Algiers or Day/Night/Day/Night are about 9/11 even though DNDN is about bombing Times Square.

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

Day Night Day Night is fuckin ownzone. I should just get it on DVD and be done with it.

You put me on to it and blew me the gently caress away.

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Excelsiortothemax posted:

Sweet merciful gently caress. Let's make an amazing colourful costume and drown it in that shitacular dark filter that Synder jacks off too.

Bleh.

What's so amazing about Mera's costume, it's a plain green leotard with scales.

Edit oh do you mean the movie costume?

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Lobok posted:

Should be a good rematch.

hahahaha

greatn posted:

Oh yeah I forgot.

So basically the same powers as Aqualad.

I'm sure there are lots of people who are now like, oh yeah the well known powers of household name aqualad, this comparison has clarified the issue for me.

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Uncle Boogeyman posted:

wow, so dogme, much 95

I was going to say that plain white rooms without furniture isn't a real lived space but I bet there're jerks in Copenhagen right now watching The Idiots in a plain white room and smoking cigarettes made with Turkish tobacco.

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Perhaps a hamster posted:

Definitely not the impression I got, but admittedly it's been forever since I've seen it. Not to derail too much, but what's your definition of 'glorifies'?

I mean, by the end I think most people are rooting for Florya to go off and help defeat the Nazi menace in defense of the Motherland. It doesn't sugarcoat or romanticize the PRACTICE of war, but it also isn't condemnatory of the Great Patriotic War or those who fought in it. The shooting of the German soldiers as the end is treated as justice (as opposed to lighting them on fire for revenge).

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

Far from a bad thing, but you're about to make me watch Paths of Glory again.

Just rerecorded it the other day, but if you think it doesn't inspire feelings of adventure and that self insert kinda what I would do fantasy, play Valiant Hearts. It's like 80% Paths of Glory and The Grand Illusion fanfic but still an adventure game. I do think is worth noting that the particular mythological role of world war 1 in our culture is as "the bad war" that was deprived of its glory and righteousness and adventure, as a direct contrast to all the other, redeemable wars.

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Humbug Scoolbus posted:

Sorry?

It is Kubrick's best film by far.

Far from a bad thing means it's a good thing, because it's been a great movie. Best Kubrick, eh. There's not much value in fighting over whether Paths is better than 2001 or The Killing or whatever. What would that even mean? How would you compare them?

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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lol at all the psp posters showing up and being like, it's steroids and the comic book movie regulars are like, no a 50 year old man can look like that through the power of hard work and his own remarkably well preserved balls

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DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:

I didn't like this at all, actually. Felt forced and distanced me from an already pretty plodding fight scene (from a technical standpoint).

Besides being a really lame joke, it makes no sense. Like, he thinks the problem is some components in his hand are hosed up and shaking them might fix it? It's a not a toaster dummy. Or he doesn't think that, and he's making a joke? So it's characterization and he's a Spider Man jokester character? I guess this is IS a marvel flick so the quips will be on point...

Guy Goodbody posted:

My favorite thing about the mansion fight is that the studio wanted to cut it own and make it a lot less violent because they were worried audiences wouldn't be cool with Wolverine murdering a ton of people. The screenwriter, Solid Snake, had to insist that as long as the soldiers wore masks and pointed guns at kids, audiences would be cool with whatever Wolverine did to them

Not that out of touch studio execs are anything new, but Wolverine's entire appeal, literally all of it, is that he murders a lot of people and smokes and drinks a lot. Like, what would a "kid friendly" Wolverine even be?

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