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Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

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zoux posted:

I really don't understand who thinks this Romney poo poo is a good idea. If it turns out Trump put him up to it as some sort of reverse-psychology political trick, it would make more sense to me.

Do you smell that? It's desperation. And fear.

They've really got nothing left in their bag of tricks, so they're nervously scrounging up an impromptu trick to keep the magic show going.

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Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

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We had a safe and prosperous future before? :raise:

Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

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LeeMajors posted:

Not exactly. I am of the opinion that insurance companies should not exist because our federal government should be ensuring/insuring the health of our population.

Adding another profit expectation layer to a necessary, nonnegotiable human need is immoral and unethical.

Hospitals and providers charge so much for a few different reasons, but mainly because their investments are incredibly expensive (no price control) and because insurance companies collude to improve profits.

The only losers in the industry are the patients and their families.

:agreed:

But why do that when you can have the free hand of the market instead!? :shepface:

Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

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computer parts posted:

I'm also speaking less from a strictly business perspective and more from an Engineering management one. the latter are still autistic weirdos but they like making their trains run on time.

Emphasis on the trains. :spergin:

Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

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McDowell posted:

I think the best solution to medical costs is legal assisted suicide.

Greatest country in the world! :patriot:

Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

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Fried Chicken posted:

Follow up on Louisiana, this from the WaPo

I'd basically end up bolding the whole thing

he debilitating economic disaster Louisiana’s governor left behind

Huh, so if you dogmatically slash spending to everything, everything goes insolvent and bankrupt.

Who woulda' thunk it?

Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

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Dr Christmas posted:

I'm still baffled by the sequence of thoughts that lead to someone voting for Obama over Romney, supporting Bernie and then saying they'll suppor Trump if Hillary wins the nomination. Its probably overblown, but the news of Hillary's IT guy getting immunity has me spooked. What do you think would happen if, when he loses the nomination, Bernie puts out a statement telling his disillusioned supporters to not not be a goddamn idiot and support Hillary?

Anyway, the only way I could see the GOP establishment taking down Trump is by having someone ostensibly moderate nuke their own career by running against Trump in the general as a third party. Kasich just said he'd back Trump so there goes that option.
Or if some respected pundits or politicians go with the even career-suicidier path of supporting Clinton.

Right now to me, the people switching to Trump are scarier than the people who were always in his camp.

People want something - ANYTHING - to jostle the perpetual political establishment from the business as usual lesser of two evil voting between Republucans and Democrats and they (wrongly) see Trump as some kind of wild card outsider unbeholdened to the status quo. Things seem to only continuously get worse and unresponsive to the average working or middle class voter regardless of which party is in power so they'll bet their figurative life savings away on a chaos candidate to overturn the apple cart.

Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

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Yoshifan823 posted:

If this election cycle ends with Mitt loving Romney as the Republican Nominee after all of this batshit insane stuff, I'm gonna be so mad. It's like ending your epic sci-fi novel with "and they lived happily ever after" right before the climactic battle.

I want explosions! I want fighting! I want strange orange-colored beings attempting to win over an entire population! Mitt is the antithesis of interesting, exciting, and climactic.

Drafting Romney this late into the primaries would be virtually flushing away the election and handing the win to the Democrats. It's insane that the GOP considers it a desperate emergency plan B, let alone a winning strategy. Romney did poo poo all in 2012, how would it not be dramatically worse off now?

Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

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Yoshifan823 posted:

I think I might have a bit more faith in America than you. If Trump gets nominated for president this year, he's gonna get smacked down, and the Republicans, one way or another, are going to have to perform some serious surgery on their party to stay alive. Way I see it, Trump is leading the way for a strong turn to the left. If the Republicans want to walk the walk about not supporting the KKK, they're gonna have to go further than just shaming Trump for not disowning them.

The GOP establishment had this brief moment of introspection in the aftermath of the 2012 election and absolutely zilch happened in the way of reform apart from "be more clear in our message of doubling down on the old white male vote!" It's a big reason of how the GOP came to be where it is now.

The GOP is totally incapable of reform at this point. They are a massive ship adrift at sea and all the rudders are broken, and now there's a giant iceberg dead ahead they have no way of steering away from. Any steering will just make it worse as it scrapes out the sides instead of slamming it front and center.

Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

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Just excise the Trump rallies part from the thread title and you'd have a good description of the thread.

Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

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Shifty Pony posted:

Oh hey Hillarychat.

I propose we talk instead about literally anything else. How about "why the gently caress is everyone so angry?"

Here's a post on the subject from a Reddit thread about why white America is so angry:

"Suburban, middle class white America is angry because they're barely getting by. Housing and other costs have eaten away at a paycheck that hasn't grown; taxes always take out a bigger chunk then they'd like. They work at jobs that are asking more of them than ever for even less job security. They don't know how they'll be able to retire; they don't have pension funds helping them out anymore, and social security benefits seem like they're getting cut each election cycle.

Rural white America is angry because the country is simply passing them by. There's fewer and fewer jobs in rural America as factories and farm work dwindles. Their schools and education opportunities are dwindling as the focus is much more on suburban schools. They're being pinched by the same price increases that suburbanites are feeling, but they seem to get an even shorter end of the stick. Also, they feel that their way of life and their values are being suppressed by suburban and urban America. They feel like the government should be helping them; not with a handout, but by helping bring back the prosperity that those areas once had.

Black America is angry because no matter how much equality or respect they seem to get, they're still dealing with the same issues that have been a part of their communities for more than a half a century. Housing discrimination, a sub par education system, few employment opportunities let alone good ones, and a criminal justice system that is structured to oppress. Even worse is their plight is more known now than it has been in the past, yet nothing changes.

Latin Americans are angry for much the same reason Black Americans are, but have the added burden of dealing with immigration obstacles, as well the situations in their home countries. Most are sending as much money as they can back to their families in their home countries. Many are working under the table, trying to learn English, and are constantly in fear of the authorities deporting them.

Business leaders and 1 percenters feel that their successes are being exploited by the country through taxation and regulation at the same time that their facing global competition. They also don't feel that the taxes they pay are best spent propping up a portion of the population they feel is a drag on society. They feel that they can create more for society by deploying that capital in their businesses than handing over to the government to dish out.

Conservatives are angry because they're seeing the country go more and more in the opposite direction of what they want. The representatives they've sent to Washington have either directed massive spending or gave it their rubber stamp. The government doesn't seem to be getting any smaller and on top of the crony capitalism they see, there's the crony government contracts. The national debt is soaring, yet they feel they're being taxed more than ever. Society as a whole is moving leftward and becoming more secular, which is more disconcerting to them.

Progressives are angry because they see the country being pulled back more than moving forward. Despite Obama's campaign of hope in '08, they don't feel that they've seen enough results from that. Health care is not doing significantly better than it was, and its under heavier attack than ever before. There's a constant push of regressive policies coming from red states that are threatening federal laws (GLBT issues, woman's rights, etc). Little progress has been made in regards to income inequality, affordable higher education, or environmental protections. Campaign finance has gotten significantly worse, and the government has become even more of a revolving door for lobbyists."

And an addendum-

"Young kids are angry the state of higher education. After generations, college has gone from a lofty goal to practically a requirement. In order to even get a degree, most take on massive amounts of debt that will negatively impact their ability to get their lives started through their mid 20s into their 30s. At the same time, the job prospects coming out of school are bleaker then they've ever been before, and even if you're able to find a job in your area of study, you'll likely still struggle just to afford your loan payments. At the same time, your parents are likely in a rough spot due to the recession or trying to pay as much as they could for your school, and you're not sure if they'll be able to retire. If you aren't living in their basement, then you're probably worried that they might have to move in with you if their retirement funds aren't able to make ends meet."


I'm not sure I buy the explanations entirely, but I do agree with the reasons why rural America is absolutely irate right now. The shipping revolution and the strong dollar has gutted rural industry. Agriculture, never an exactly glamorous living, has largely mechanized and consolidated to large conglomerates which mostly want to farm only the most ideal environments for particular crops.

This is pretty accurate, thank you. Although computer parts et al are still going to argue that we're living in better times than ever before, so good luck with that. :shrug:

Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

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bhsman posted:

Beaten by Quorum, but I don't think anyone is questioning an overall improvement in medicine, tech, etc., compared to 40 years ago, only that the improvements haven't been felt equally by everyone, if at all.

These improvements, while good on the whole, are effectively meaningless if gated behind a massive wealth gap and income inequality. Advancements in nano technology to attack cancer with laser precision and to minimize the need for chemotherapy is useless to the many who are disserviced by a failed privatized healthcare system and would rather commit suicide than subject their families to life ruining amounts of debt by treating their cancer or other preventable diseases.

It is insulting to say to these people that their lives are better now than ever before because of technological advances made at a distance from the depressing reality of their own lives.

Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

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computer parts posted:

Yep, exactly.


Which metrics do you wish to use? It sounds like distribution of income is one of them.

Well, cost and access to healthcare, cost of higher education, income inequality, for-profit criminal justice systems, climate change, money in politics, and voter ID suppression are good for starters.

Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

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On Terra Firma posted:

I called my mom yesterday to wish her a happy birthday. She said "Thanks but if trump is elected this is the end for our democracy." This election :(

If it helps any, my mom is super worried and convinced that Trump will win "since we voted for [W.] Bush twice, TWICE!" while my dad is convinced Hillary will win the general election and that Trump doesn't have a chance.

Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

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DeusExMachinima posted:

I am gonna :laffo: so hard if the Repub elite have to kiss up to Cruz just to avoid Trump.

Depicted: Cruz's literal face and reaction to this thought:

Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

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Nancy Reagan is dead.

The Grim Reaper's been having a field day this year.

Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

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Full Battle Rattle posted:

https://twitter.com/onetoughnerd/status/706646480648536065


Ah yes, a failure at all levels, but especially at your level

I actually heard a guy arguing to his friends outside the hotel I was at last night that the Flint, MI lead incident was a failure at all levels including the EPA so people need to lay off Rick Snyder and stop attacking him.

Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

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Junior G-man posted:

LMAO David Brooks is now pining for the days of Obama and civility.

It's amazing how steadfast Brooks remains to his belief of "No, the GOP is still a party of serious-minded responsible government people!" while rocking back and forth in the fetal position.

Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

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RevKrule posted:

Paul Ryan has died

It's the Phantom artist but still, I want other people to be confused for a moment about this new

Don't toy with my hopes and emotions like that, rear end in a top hat! :argh:

Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

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Why is Bloomberg throwing his hat in the ring? He's not going to win and will only spoil the election if he keeps going.

Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

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Boon posted:

Well. The immigrant labor at sub-standard wages is basically what drives down the cost of food. Without said labor, wages would definitely need to be higher or we would need to import more of our food, but the end impact is that we'd also see massive hikes in a lot of staple food products. This isn't necessarily bad, but given the current state of the US economy, it means that no matter what we do, the middle class is hosed.

USPOL April - No matter what we do, the middle class is hosed

Didn't South Carolina or Georgia have a temporary crisis in food prices or shortages in their attempt to drive out illegal agricultural workers because of this a few years ago?

Content:

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/03/07/469506291/families-seek-class-action-status-in-federal-lawsuit-over-flints-water

Class-action lawsuit filed against Michigan Governor Rick Snyder over lead disaster in Flint.

Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

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foobardog posted:

As long as political pressure is maintained on Clinton to maintain and build on the good part of the Obama administration, and when she starts clowning on Republican assholes, I think it'll be pretty good. However, if people get comfortable in the status quo and Clinton reverts to Third Wayism, it'll be loving awful. I think she is like the Democratic Nixon, but way less of a manipulative paranoid creep, so not likely to have a real Watergate crisis that will take her down. I don't think I'm going to be half as satisfied with her at the end of two terms as I am Obama, and I'm still not completely happy with him. Maybe if she turns out to be the new LBJ. If her administration destroys the Southern Strategy once and for all, I think I may be really pleased.

Sanders on the other hand is not someone I'm worried about political pressure at all, he's just going to do what he's going to do, and what he wants to do I find good. Now, not worrying about political pressure or pandering can seriously hurt his efficacy. But my expectation is seriously lowered for him. As long as he doesn't leave a laughingstock like Carter or H. W. Bush, I think it'll be fine. While I think he himself is a good leader, he is more interesting for carrying the socialism virus that will make America Red Again. (The good red.)

This is kind of ironic since Clinton's first major assignment as a law grad was post-Watergate Nixon.

Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

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VitalSigns posted:

I still could not loving believe that in the debates.

A governor put aside personal feelings and partisanship to get aid for his disaster-struck constituents and got slammed for that by his party, the GOP would rather their own voters go homeless after a storm than accept free money on their behalf if it comes from a black man.

Don't you know you're supposed to pull up your bootstraps and make it on your own after any personal tragedy?

What are ya'? Some kinda Communist? :clint: *spits chewing tobacco into a spittoon*

Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

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McAlister posted:

And what the actual gently caress does GDP have to do with the population's medical needs? What if there was a plague and the GDP shrank even though medical costs spiked?

Well, if GDP shrank, there'd be less opportunity to maximize profits off of healthcare, right?

It makes no sense if you view it from a provision of healthcare perspective, but it makes total sense if you view it from a Capitalist "Profits Über Alles" perspective. It's a case of not what our country needs, but what it deserves, etc. :sigh: We are really driven to our own self-destruction.

Thank you for that write-up, though.

Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

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Epic High Five posted:

My favorite part is when you get red regions of blue states talking about defecting to another state, like you'd hear some during the Malheur thing in Eastern Oregon, then it turns out that nobody wants them because they're just money sink regions.

Was it Abbot or Perry in Texas a few years back that went immediately from screaming about Obama and the gov wasting money on hurricane aid to the east coast (which was both the undoing of Christie when he accepted it and everything you need to know about the modern GOP), to tapping his foot and saying "WHERE'S THE AID HERE OBAMA HUH LET'S GET A MOVE ON" when wildfires due in part to slashing land management budget were eating up like all of the west of the state?

Republican states/regions are like ungrateful children that scream "gently caress YOU, DAD!!" and "I loving HATE YOU, EAT poo poo!!" petulantly and threaten to move out all the time but then turn around to ask for help as soon as they need gas money or a ride to the movies.

Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

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Greatbacon posted:

You know, avian and swine flu never became a thing (maybe because of public health outreach, etc, etc.) but also this is the year that Donald Trump became the lead Republican presidential candidate so who the gently caress knows :shrug:

God save the souls of states without strong contraceptive culture and sex ed if it does.

:sherman:

The potentially infected infants didn't do anything to deserve being born with microencephaly/in Republican states/in the South, though. :sigh:

Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

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showbiz_liz posted:

Lord have mercy

In a 4-4 decision, the Supreme Court awards the election win to Donald Trump, who then immediately starts his thousand year reign of blood and fire. :kheldragar:

Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

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lizardman posted:

All I have to offer is that "The Monotonicity Criterion" needs to be the title of a tense espionage thriller.

Off-topic, but uh... What did you do to get that red title? :stare:

Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

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computer parts posted:

Bad news, it'll just lead to "Trump's going to sweep the general" slap fights.

This is Debate and Discussion. It's slap fights all the way down.

Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

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Rhesus Pieces posted:

Literally everything is wrong with this tweet.

A veteran deeply involved in veterans' affairs, who got her legs blown off in Iraq, not standing up for veterans.

No True Veteran until Republicans literally vote in a live mortar shell or land mine to office.

I'll take my royalty check in the mail, The Onion, thank you.

Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

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Luminous Obscurity posted:

in all seriousness, what the gently caress is wrong with the gop? how is there literally an entire political wing united in this frothing, petulant hatred of all living things? what the gently caress?

Because :911:, my friend.

Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

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Er, I don't get it. Did they just retweet the same picture of the deleted Tweet over some garbled zoomed-in text?

Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

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Quorum posted:

That's how it looks when a tweet contains multiple pictures, you have to click on it (possibly twice, if you're coming from SA) to get the full view.

Got it, thanks.

e: Yuck, it's pretty gross. Instead of admitting they hosed up, they double-downed on some other low blow. Classy. :thumbsup:

Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

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It's incredibly ironic that no matter what anti-Trump GOP establishment types try to attack him on and distance themselves from, it'll only backfire because Trump embodies everything the GOP really represents but doesn't own up to. It's a supreme example of self-delusion at its best/worst and they've painted themselves into this corner for decades now.

There's a massive cognitive dissonance and divide between what people like David Brooks like to imagine the GOP is supposed to be (serious responsible government, stable and principled) and what the GOP is in reality (ie Trump).

Teriyaki Koinku fucked around with this message at 23:04 on Mar 8, 2016

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Nov 25, 2008

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Shimrra Jamaane posted:

For no reason I just remembered Trump mocking that disabled NYT reporter during that rally of his some months back. gently caress that man. How can ANYONE defend that?

We, the Spiteful.

http://exiledonline.com/we-the-spiteful/

Americans love to hate.

Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

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Ogmius815 posted:

This is an amazing article. I especially think there's something to the "sexual frustration and envy" point. gently caress if I know what to do about all that latent anger and frustration, but I really believe he's right about where it comes from.

FYI Mark Ames has been Matt Taibbi's partner in journalism for Rolling Stone, Vice, etc.

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Nov 25, 2008

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Rhesus Pieces posted:

https://twitter.com/katyturnbc/status/707358990485815296

It's like he's screaming "YOU PEOPLE ARE loving RUBES" without opening his mouth.

I'm almost legit curious about where he's going with this.

You know that moment in Bugs Bunny cartoons when Bugs puts some cigars in the hapless antagonist's mouth before doing some more slapstick pummeling?

This is Donald Trump's Bugs Bunny moment. :troll:

Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

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CommieGIR posted:

I fully expect Trump to toss the meat out into the crowd like he's feeding stray dogs.

This mental image literally made me laugh out loud, thanks for that.

Also, I refuse to believe there isn't a symbolic meaning to literal red meat for the base, holy poo poo. Reality has long since surpassed satire and is just running up the scoreboard now.

RZA Encryption posted:

"Hello and welcome to this week's edition of NBC's 'Eat the Press'"

Meat the Press. :fork:

FrensaGeran posted:

He just gave a shout out to Abraham Lincoln. Great president, yuge success.

e: "I am a very highly principled person"

- Donald Trump, 03/08/2016

That's what should eventually be his epitaph for his tombstone in cheap neon lettering.

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Quorum posted:

That, and it lets them keep giving uninterrupted handjobs to Ed Gillespie, so he doesn't have to face the Cooch in the primary.

That's... An unfortunate choice of phrasing.

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Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

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At this point, it's all but guaranteed to be Clinton vs Trump in the general. It's possible that there might still be ratfucking at the GOP convention this summer, but that would involve consciously throwing the election to Clinton in exchange for a non-Trump nominee, which I think the GOP establishment is too vain to actually pull the trigger on.

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