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ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July

My drawing of President Obama murdering Justice Scalia with a pillow --@SaifsArt

February saw a dramatic change in fortunes (or perhaps none at all). Trump seems like he’s all but sewn up the nominations (pending today’s results) while Hillary appears to have fought off the Bern (and it only cost D&D last month’s thread). People will be eyeing the polls the rest of the month, but it’s probably just about done after today if nothing surprising happens.

Meanwhile, Obama caught a lucky break as Scalia’s death opened up a vacancy on the Supreme Court. But never mind that, Republicans are looking out for their our best interests and have refused to let Obama get another SCOTUS choice.

So even though this month might not be quite as crazy as February, you can be sure that there’s still something going on in the USPOL thread for March 2016!






114th Congress Bingo Card

The 114th has been hard at work making sure that Obama’s remaining agenda stays on his desk, and not out in public. Let’s review the latest ways how!


If you just noticed that basically none of these things have anything to do with Congress, congratulations, you win no prize!






Other News, featuring the Clinton Corner

Sure, Trump might want to hold off on judging the KKK so rashly because we just don't know all the facts yet, but did you know that Hillary praised KKK leader Robert Byrd? Seems like she’s the real racist! So I think it goes without saying that you should definitely not vote for Hillary!

In other news…


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Related threads
"US Politics" is an incredibly broad topic, as A) the country is freaking huge and B) given our role in international events pretty much everything impacts us. So there are other subthreads
2016 Presidential Primary
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There are also regional subthreads that are usually pretty slow, but sometimes cross-pollinate with this thread when something important is happening.
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California

Lifted the rest of the above from FriedChicken. As before post suggestions for adding to the above and I'll edit them in if I see them.

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ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July

Naet posted:

If Clinton wins then we'll have four years of gridlock, so I'm going to vote for the short fingered orange man because going backward is better than standing still.

This is what the electorate really believes.

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July
You know who else was accused of being a fascist? That's right. Ronald Reagan. So vote Trump.

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July

Darth Walrus posted:

Depends how you define 'done'. Transferring back from 'serious candidate' to 'protest candidate'? Quite probably.

But he won Oklahoma!

(So yes.)

EDIT:

Darth Walrus posted:

So what does this all mean for Rubio? Will his party backers still desperately try to keep him afloat out of pure 'jesus christ please not those other guys', or will they finally throw in the towel?

Rubio may well win Minnesota :getin:

ComradeCosmobot fucked around with this message at 04:13 on Mar 2, 2016

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July
In non-primary news today, the EEOC just filed two lawsuits claiming that non-discrimination laws cover sexual orientation.

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July
For those of you not following YCS: Karl Rove was on Fox again for Super Tuesday analysis. It turned out about as well as last time.

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July

Evil Fluffy posted:

If Trump lacks enough total votes to take the nomination but is still leading in delegates at the convention but the GOP picks someone else then the damage is going to be greater than just accepting him as the nominee. This is true for Rubio or Cruz as well. Not going with the one leading in delegates is going to take some crazy finesse that the GOP isn't going to have. The GOP will hold its nose and take Trump if he's leading the pack because if they don't he could very well spite gently caress them as hard as possible to not only ensure they don't win the White House, but also put downticket races at risk due to splintered votes.

Actually, I should think that forcing Trump out is their best chance down-ticket. If Trump is a Republican, he tars the name. If Trump isn't, Republicans win down-ticket thanks to lots of split ballots (Trump won't have anyone else on the ticket to spoil or help)

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July
Orange County is planning on charging the individuals who attacked the KKK.

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July

foobardog posted:

While everyone is talking about week long voting, may I recommend all mail-in voting? It works pretty good up here in the socialist PNW.

On the other hand, all that voter fraud that Democrats correctly argue basically never happens with in-person voting actually does happen with mail-in voting. For example...

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July

Fojar38 posted:

I am pretty sure we are at the point where there would be riots if Obamacare was repealed.

Sure, but only in the blue states. And who cares about those people?

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July
The Koch Brothers plan to let the GOP marinate in a pool of its own bodily fluids.

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July
DEHUMANIZE  YOURSELF  AND  FACE  TO  GUNSHED

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July

Narciss posted:

Often the stated reasons for the general being unwinnable for him are the same as those quoted in the primary.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/06/17/why-no-one-should-take-donald-trump-seriously-in-1-very-simple-chart/


Trump is now polling at twice his previous unfavorability rating. That's not just unfavorable to favorable, that's "I dislike this man and will not vote for him" to "I will vote for him over every other candidate." Between Clinton and Trump, who has the best chance to improve how the public sees them over the course of the general election?

Trump is attracting Republican votes, true, but a lot of his success is due in part to the rest of the party being thoroughly fractured. Every exit poll I've read ALWAYS has Trump losing badly in last minute decisions. Yes, he has an extremely loyal group of voters, but it is still the case that a large number of voters reflexively hate his guts. His unfavorables have dropped, but they're still holding out in the +20 unfavorable range. Even Clinton's only at +10 unfavorable.

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July

Inferior Third Season posted:

Your buddy wrote a computer program to answer a question the Supreme Court couldn't figure out.

I dunno. Potter Stewart was able to figure it out. Why do you think they're investing so much money in computer vision algorithms?

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July

TheOneAndOnlyT posted:

So just to confirm, in order for Trump to be guaranteed the nomination (barring the GOP up and changing the delegate rules), he needs an absolute majority of delegates, right? Not just a plurality? If that's the case I have a feeling we'll be seeing the GOP begging for Rubio and Cruz to stay in the race as long as possible.

Which would be fine if it weren't for a bunch of winner-take-all states starting March 15.

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July

KiteAuraan posted:

LOL Ted Cruz. Yeah, people working 3-4 jobs are only working 29-30 hours a week because their hours have been cut due to the Sinister Dark Lord of Socialism Obama.

It was late Friday afternoon when the door chimes rang at Sudz Discount Dry Cleaning. The girl manning the counter looked up from her iPhone, only to be surprised by the stern face of the 44th President of the United States. She jumped to attention.

"C... Can I help you?"

Obama shook his head, his eyebrows deeply furrowed. "I need to see your manager. Now."

"Yes, of course, sir!" The girl scurried to the back of the store and soon returned with an elderly man.

The man adjusted his bifocals and studied the new customer. "What's all this then? President Obama? You wanted to see me?"

Obama looked the man up and down and nodded. "Yes. Please. I need to speak with you in your office."

"Well then, follow me."

The old man beckoned to the first Kenyan-American president and led him back to a small room just inside the rear of the store. Gesturing to a seat in front of a small desk in the dimly-lit room, the job creator took his normal seat behind the desk. President Obama remained standing.

"I'm afraid I have some bad news for you. You're going to have to cut Nina's hours."

"What? But why? She's one of my best employees! I can't do that to her!"

Obama just shook his head. "I don't think you quite understand me." The former community organizer reached into his jacket, pulled out a handgun and leveled it at the man. "Let me be clear. I'm not asking whether you could. I'm telling you to. The Affordable Care Act... I mean, Obamacare, demands a sacrifice. Now open your schedule."

The man sat frozen for a few moments, unsure what to do. "I... But..."

Obama cocked his gun and squatted next to the man, placing it against the man's temple. "Open it. Now."

Shaking with fear but with no options left to him, the man slowly grabbed his mouse and opened up the scheduling software on the old computer that sat on his desk.

"Now. Set Nina to be scheduled for 29 hours next week."

The man did so.

"Good. Now you better keep it that way, or I will be back. And you don't want me coming back. You hear?"

The small business owner gulped and nodded. "Yes, sir."

Obama holstered his gun in his inside breast pocket and stood up. "Thank you for cooperating. It would have been quite unfortunate had I been forced to lay her off due to your intransigence."

He brushed his shoulder and made to leave.

"Wait! Why are you doing this to me? I voted for you!"

Obama stopped just short of the door and turned to look back at the man with a smirk. "If you think this is bad, you don't even want to know what Hillary Clinton has planned." With that, the President chuckled and closed the door behind him.

Passing by the front counter on his way out the door, he flipped a quarter to Nina. "Please, give your boss my regards. And you can keep the hope and change. You're gonna need it."

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July

Fried Chicken posted:

Another barely mediocre jobs report: UE holds at 4.9%, 242k jobs created, 530k gain in household employment, 0.2% increase in labor force participation, trade deficit up to 45.7 bln, exports drop (4th straight month), hourly earnings down 3 cents

Look to VSPs claiming this validates the Fed's rate hike and calling for more. On NOR this morning one tool was already gloating they need to hike "3 or 4 more times"

Earlier this week they announced a growth in inflation and predictions for a rate hike by December crossed the 50% line.

Mortgage rates are starting to tick up too.

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July

porfiria posted:

I mean, Rubio's going to get shellacked in Florida right?

Yup.

quote:

Trump 45%
Rubio 25%
Cruz 15%
Kasich 10%
Carson 5%

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July

Northjayhawk posted:

Which 3rd party with 50-state ballot access would nominate him? The Libertarians or the Greens wouldn't do it. July is too late to get on any of the ballots for an independent run.

Neither of these parties has 50-state ballot access.

EDIT: I stand corrected. The Libertarians may finally have regained ballot access in Oklahoma for the first time since 2000. (They will lose it after the election though since there's no way the Libertarians get 10% of the vote in Oklahoma)

ComradeCosmobot fucked around with this message at 00:07 on Mar 5, 2016

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July
The Senate is moving forward with legislation that would preempt state mandates of GMO labeling, instead setting up a voluntary labeling system nationwide. It's not yet clear that the bill will pass the Senate, however.

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July

Mozi posted:

It's dumb to say you can't label your products as GMO-free even if you don't think GMOs are bad.

I don't think that's what the bill does though. Pretty sure it just means states can't require GMO produce to say "This produce is GMO." Banning required speech instead of banning voluntary speech.

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July

Epic High Five posted:

Neither Dem candidate sounded as low energy and out of breath as Trump did when he was talking about how Cruz rolled him on Saturday so that's good imho


lol Bloomberg hurts Trump more than any Dem. JUST AS I PREDICTED

Huh? Bloomberg hurts Hillary by 15, Trump by 9, which is what people have been saying all along: Bloomberg steals the "socially liberal fiscally conservative" vote that's lately gravitated to the Democrats because they aren't as evil as the Republicans.

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July

zoux posted:

If that's the best he can do in NY then I hope he decides to gently caress off.

Agreed, but I worry he has handlers who will spin that into a "look how well you do without even campaigning upstate. If you actually campaigned you could WIN THIS!"

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July

TyrantWD posted:

Bloomberg never thought he could settle for a socialist president, but I guess the prospect of Trump and Cruz scared him straight.

The real reason is that Hillary is pretty much a lock over Bernie after Super Tuesday. :ssh:

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July

computer parts posted:

It's actually an interesting phenomenon I've seen in other circles as well. People are in their bubbles so much that if something seems good or bad to them then they can't imagine anyone else thinking differently, because none of their friends say anything differently.

"I only know one person who voted for Nixon. Where they are I don't know. They're outside my ken."

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July

Mostly fair criticism I think, but I did want to call out one point:

quote:

(B) No charge will be made for any covered services other than for payment authorized by this Act.

This line is a bit vague and may not say what you think it says. Depending on the Definition of "charge" elsewhere in the law it may only apply to charges made through the Berniecare system. This would be more in line with the claim that Bernie wants to model it on Swiss healthcare (i.e. You can charge a different rate for the same care, but in that case, it is not covered by Berniecare and would need to be covered by direct payments outside the standard Berniecare system.

EDIT: That said, I would fully expect the more... disingenuous opponents of Berniecare to claim exactly your point even if my interpretation is actually the intended one. I mean, those people ARE the people who got Death Panels to stick...

ComradeCosmobot fucked around with this message at 06:04 on Mar 8, 2016

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July

Buckwheat Sings posted:

I think I prefer Bernie Hillary chat over this. I'm guessing it's a slow day politically.

Fiorina endorsed Cruz.

And the media is spitting out worthless "Is Bernie really dead?" stories.

So yeah.

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July
Meanwhile, at Wired...

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July

Well that sheriff just guaranteed his reelection.

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July

Popular Thug Drink posted:

southern states tend to be predominantly rural but more heavily populated than the typical rural midwestern state, so you've got a core of urban investment and modern economic vitality surrounded by rural poverty of all ethnicities, where state government also tends to lean towards rural politicians who lean on heavily white and religious electorates that aren't very interested in taxation for public infrastructure or benefit

the same dynamic happens in the upper midwest except those places are just empty. like poverty all around is worse in the dakotas but both dakotas combined have less population than any moderately sized metro area in the southeast

black poverty is higher than white poverty in the south, and in the north, and really all across the us

It was brought up a couple pages ago, but the state with the lowest black poverty rate is Connecticut at 15%, the state with the highest white poverty rate is West Virginia at 20%, and only it, Kentucky and Mississippi have rates of white poverty higher than that 15% figure.

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July

Electric Bugaloo posted:

Even D&D's most intractable milkmen would probably make for public officials an order of magnitude more reasonable and competent, and equally less destructive, than a great many of the True Believers currently making decisions on city councils and boards of education and state senates across the country.

Depends on whether the D&Der will be delivering raw milk or not.

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July
Matt Drudge is now trying to draw allusions between these Trump protests and how Reagan put down the Berkeley protest in the 1960s.

So there's that.

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July

Epic High Five posted:

Lol Trump assuming his people could mass protest spontaneously is the greatest sign of his delusion.

Oh noooo 4 people in lawn chairs oh nooooo

Yeah, it might be only 4 people, but they'll have guns.

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July

pathetic little tramp posted:

How did he get so many characters into that second tweet?

Looks like an embedded image, judging by the "Photos & Videos" column.

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July

No Butt Stuff posted:

I think all we really learned is that Lowtax Wants to Make America Great Again.

Drumpf.

USPOL March - Make Donald Trump Again

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July

He's already missed out on some states (like Michigan) by virtue of running in them and therefore being bound by their sore-loser laws. He would have to run as a write-in candidate there, instead.

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July

TwinsensRevenge posted:

he can run as an independent in Michigan without violating sore loser laws

Nope. Michigan's law forbids an independent run.

axeil posted:

The constitutionality of sore loser laws is rather suspect though and could be challenged.

Nope. States have the full power to control who is and is not on their ballots. This is one reason there have been no attempts to lift strict ballot access laws like those of Oklahoma through the federal courts.

More to the point, there is already precedent in this matter: Gary Johnson ran in 2012 and failed to remove himself from the Michigan Republcan primary ballot before the deadline. As a result, he was not allowed to be on the general election ballot there.

Libertarians then attempted to get a different "Gary E. Johnson of Texas" on the ballot, but were denied by the Michigan Secretary of State on the basis that this, too, violated the sore loser law. When the Libertarian Party and Johnson appealed this ruling by filing suit in federal court, the Sixth Circuit upheld Michigan's right to control its ballot through a sore-loser law, and Libertarians were effectively denied access to the ballot as a result. Gary Johnson did manage to be a write-in candidate, but only got 8,000 votes for his trouble, only 1/3 the total votes cast for Libertarians in the 2008 election in Michigan.

Trump does have a saving grace in that, unlike Johnson, he WON the Michigan primary, but I am skeptical that this rationale would suffice to upset the precedent set by the Libertarians in 2012.

ComradeCosmobot fucked around with this message at 00:27 on Mar 15, 2016

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July

TwinsensRevenge posted:

Michigan's sore loser law prevents a candidate from running with another party, not as an independent.

Huh. How about that. Incidentally, Michigan's deadline for independent access is July 21, the final day of the RNC.

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July

Epic High Five posted:

So from here on out, to secure 1237 Trump will need to win 56% with every state primary? That's pretty bad news for him seeing as he hasn't won a single state (and only 1 territory) with a majority of the popular vote.

One thing in Trump's favor: almost every contest from here on out is winner-take-all. If Kasich and Cruz continue to split the vote, Trump could still do it.

Anyway, RIP in Peace Lil' Marco. :angel:

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ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July

ComradeCosmobot posted:

One thing in Trump's favor: almost every contest from here on out is winner-take-all. If Kasich and Cruz continue to split the vote, Trump could still do it.

Anyway, RIP in Peace Lil' Marco. :angel:

One thing I forgot to add: Trump has another advantage in that many of those winner-take-all states are more favorable to him than Cruz. With Kasich continuing his quixotic campaign in Rubio's stead yet not guaranteed Rubio's support, Trump is still reasonably well positioned to get the 57% he needs.

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