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Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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Velkest posted:

how dare you post this here, you racist?

do you not know that for integration to suceed, we must pretend refugees are civil, lawabiding people who respect women and children, against all of reality?

clearly you vote NPD. pfui.

Haha you're right friend! I have decoded your sarcasm as I am VERY intelligent and I agree with your subtext that instead of the refugees CUNTS! being judged innocent as a collective, we should instead judge them NOT INNOCENT as a collective. CHECKMATE SOCIALJUSTIALIERLS get <u<k3d!!!!!!

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Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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CommieGIR posted:

:psyduck: "Welp, guess we have to send them back to a despotic dictator. Sorry guys"

Do you have any clue how hosed up you sound?

He does. I think the impasse is being caused by those with empathy debating with those who have none. Lines are being crossed that the other party doesn't even acknowledge exist in the first place.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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Maybe, MAYBE, just maybe Germany shouldn't have watched Greece burn all those months ago.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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OwlFancier posted:

Though of course Westminster doesn't need to actually pay any heed to that, Scotland has no legal power to do anything about that short of unilaterally declaring independence which is unlikely.

It would make for interesting television though.

Well... that's about when the violence starts. Most troublespots start small.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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Grimey Drawer
Back those economic migrants go, to their warzone.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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Grimey Drawer

LochNessMonster posted:

Ftfy.

This is the reason the EU leadeship cannot be trusted. They have shown over and over again they are willing to bend or ignore rules whenever it serves their interest best. Even to the point of driving millions of people into poverty and almost bankrupting a nation.

And they wonder why the EU has such a bad reputation. If the UK is smart they gtfo. I wish my country would do the same, but our utterly corrupt PM ignores a referendum, does not abide the law and gets away with it.

It's possible the concept of leaving the EU is, in a vacuum, a perfectly valid choice. But it is not good for the UK at this exact moment. The educated forces (the ones not just screaming because of instinctual racism) behind leave are in this for direct power (Boris will end up PM if leave wins) and deregulation. They will dismantle what is left of worker rights and very likely enter into a terrible deal with the US that removes food standards and further privitises the NHS. Brexit under a benign Labour government, or even a passive minority Conservative one, would be bearable. Under the current situation, a rampant unstable Tory government seeking a lurch to the right and the removal of social safeguards ensured by the EU, it is terrible for everyone other than the rich who won't be affected either way.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

GaussianCopula posted:

As if NATO really needs the 2% defense spending. As long as the nuclear deterrent is still there, you don't need tanks or planes to defend against another nation state and as long as the USA doesn't go full Russia w.r.t. supporting autocratic regimes the war on terror will certainly not be won by military interventions, who are often not even covered by the NATO treaty but instead just use NATO facilities as support infrastructure.

The only reason why Trump and others are bringing it up again and again is because they can say "more military" without having to explain how they are going to pay for it without new taxes or other budget cuts.

Nuclear deterrent didn't stop Russia from going into Ukraine. They're playing the creeping game. The final stage of which is invading a "lesser" NATO member and receiving no response. Russia realises America won't commit and then it gobbles up Eastern Europe.

Not saying that's going to happen. I'm saying I think that's Russia's optimum projection for its expansionism.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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Grimey Drawer

drilldo squirt posted:

I agree Trump is bad. Do you agree European nations passing laws targeting religious minorities are also bad and indicative of racial and xenophobic undercurrent in European society

There is no easy solution to the problem of European xenophobia/racism. The state of the world is fanning the flames. We have mass austerity in an era where western nations are in limited but constant war in the Middle East, we have the resulting refugees which some westerners are literally too stupid to realise their governments are responsible for them in the first place and we have this new wave of terrorism by what amounts to a nihilistic death cult pretending to be Islamic. In this environment you are not going to able to remove the racism from the already racist. It would take decades of reeducation.

Which means if Europes descent into fascism is to be stopped it won't be via direct appeal to populations. It will be via economic revival and a reduction in world chaos. The poo poo in Syria has to stop and never happen again. An entire country allowed to crumble with the resulting diaspora because, whoops, seems it lay directly in between two spheres of influence. Awkward!

But we also have to accept that during economic turmoil and times of mass movement of refugees that racist sentiment is going to increase. Yes the racists are loving dumbasses and yes not everyone becomes racists during these times meaning no one HAS to lose their mind every time things get tough. But some do and there is nothing to be done about that. Preventing media from basically becoming corporate run hate propaganda would be a start. Especially in the UK. But that raises its own problems. I'm certainly not in favour of heavy state control of media like in Russia. State run stuff is fine until your "side" is no longer in power and that state run apparatus is now being used against you. Still, preventing media from running hate pieces simply because they know it'll increase profits would be a start. I'd say there are signs the UK is becoming a mediacracy and I wonder if this is also the case in other European nations.

We can bemoan the racists hoardes all we like but there is an entire machine behind it. Some of it is human directed and some is just chaos working itself out much like our current system of capitalism. A beast we think we control and yet plunges us into recessions cycle after cycle. Easily manipulatable dumb people are always going to be a thing. The machinery behind the manipulation is something we can change.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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Liberal_L33t posted:

Literally without exception, everywhere in the world that this kind of religious modesty becomes the norm, it has become mandatory. Why are Majorian and drilldo squirt et al. so adamant in telling Europeans they aren't allowed to push back or even vocally criticize this practice metastasizing into Europe?

Personally I suspect that theyre closet social conservatives who actually agree with the religious traditionalists to at least some degree in terms of what they want Society to look like in 20 years.

Oh yes, Drilldo squirt, notable BYOB poster is fully committed to a conservative Islamic fascist future. Every time I read his posts the first thing that comes to mind is Hitler. The second is Jihad. And no one wants Jihad Hitler.

You loving idiot.

I mean seriously, have you ever actually read his posts? "Conservative" isn't my first take.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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Alt right is made up of people the nazis would murder but they hate blacks and jews and the welfare state and women. Also they don't really give a gently caress about their country and are all about personal freedom. I think actual WW II nazis would really loving hate alt righters for being decadent fat smell untermesnch scum. Can you imagine trying to mobilise an army of either fat neckbearded youtube personalities or skinny pony-tailed tech trolls? The two archtypes of alt right.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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Grimey Drawer

Geriatric Pirate posted:

Actually Finland just returned to growth after about 8 years of doing nothing with unemployment falling almost 1 percentage point since the government gained power (and that's even with the left-wing throwing a hissy fit and going on strike). Things that changed: 3 center-right to right parties are in charge now. Isn't that weird?

Not to mention for those 8 years Finland ran huge budget deficits and allowed for large increases in wages, which is pretty much the opposite of austerity.

But you're still ignoring the question: What do you think the objective of austerity in Greece was?


They "literally" did not. Workers would have lost their jobs anyway, either through firing or having their employers go bankrupt. I really can't think of anyone that thinks that the way to maintain high employment rates is by telling employers they can't fire workers. The reason these laws are implemented is to make conditions better for workers, not to improve overall employment levels.

It's always charming when right wing cunts like you describe the attempts to protect workers as "hissy fits". If the center right can lower unemployment by 1% maybe the far right can manage 2%? Time to practice unique styles of saluting.

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Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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54.4 crowns posted:

Dumbest of fucks...

That piss poor deflection does not change the fact that your darling fascist bully boy is responsible for Muslims comming to Europe to rape all your white women.

Quisling

What the gently caress

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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His Divine Shadow posted:

Haha sure nice strawman, what I'd expect from a fascist.

Fine. I'll just assume he's right about you.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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Grimey Drawer

GaussianCopula posted:

German politicians advocating for what is best for Germany - call the police?


Why are you supporting the AfD and other populist parties?

Well as you guys seem to think you pulled off a fait accompli and control the EU then things like this are part of the package. If you want to run the EU and want it to survive then you're going to have to make sacrifices. You've made it your baby, do you want to care for it or not?

Quite frankly i'm fine going back to the old ways of doing things and firebombing German cities again. You bunch of arseholes.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

Ligur posted:

You don't know poo poo about me or what I know either (though I know about you), if you want to exchange more messages pls PM me and don't poo poo this thread further.

We don't know you. We do know what you want the world to see you as.

If you are insecure about this then you are free to change your projected image.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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Grimey Drawer

A Buttery Pastry posted:

You seem strangely smug about your country having to atone for starting WW2 in Europe.

It's almost like Germans are horrible loving cunts. Almost. It's actually a bizarre curse of which German posters find themselves afflicted. Shame really.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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Grimey Drawer

A Buttery Pastry posted:

What? The UK has basically developed in the same fashion politically as its continental neighbors, despite their political system being based on FPTP while the rest of Europe runs more proportional systems. (All the way to The Netherlands having 17 whole parties represented between the upper and lower house.)

Meanwhile, the UK has managed to vote itself out of the EU out of a desire to return the country to a past where the country wasn't being filled up with a bunch of dirty Slavs and Muslims, with supporters of this having begun a wave of attacks and harassment after their great victory. That was of course after they murdered a pro-EU politician. In the midst of this, the new conservative prime minister has taken to explicitly populist language to gain support, while pushing for even greater surveillance in the UK.

The right wing papers are soooo close to calling for "remoaners" to be jailed. Exciting times.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer
Don't think Germany needed much pushing to go anti-nuclear. They had their Russian connection for that. Have we already forgot what best buds Germany and Russia were before this Ukrainian poo poo happened?

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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Grimey Drawer

blowfish posted:

Kraft Parmesan is superior.

You loving savage.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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Grimey Drawer

Brainiac Five posted:

To be fair, the USA should militarily intervene to protect refugees in Europe.

So you're not so much against "European superiority" on moral grounds, rather you just want to make it clear you believe in "American superiority". All wrapped up in posts and posts of obfuscating babble.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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Grimey Drawer

A Buttery Pastry posted:

No one cares about the Church of England.

Sorry.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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LeoMarr posted:

I remeber when Francois hollande was SAs favorite communist. Like all communist scum, destined to the dustbin of history. Hollandr paved the way for fascism, Whether it happen now or in 4 years. France is in for a dark time.

Do you actually know what communism is? Hollande was a lovely neo-liberal like the rest of European leaders. Only he was wearing the centre-left uniform. Now the centre-right will take his place and enact exactly the same policies but with the ability to be more openly racist. You're a dickhead.

Want to know some other things that idiots think are communist but aren't?

1. North Korea
2. Putin's Russia
3. Venezuela
4. Jeremy Corbyn
5. Norway

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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GaussianCopula posted:

No.

Freedom of the press means that the private channels can run whatever they want as long as they don't violate the law.

Which is fine until you get an obvious imbalance like in the UK. We have about 8 right wing papers, 1 centrist but has shifted to the right because it doesn't like Corbyn (Guardian), and 1 left (Mirror) and one actual good newspaper (Independent).

And boy is it affecting society. Like I don't understand why i'm one of the few people that thinks this is dangerous. Everyone you see picking up a newspaper in the UK is statistically likely to be picking up a right wing hate piece full of lies that they systematically "correct" the day after on page 2 by which time the lie has done it's work. It's like clockwork. Say something terrible and untrue, then next day put "correction" in and avoid punishment.

At least on the tv side of things it's a little better. Most people watch BBC news which is just bland and not biased either way.

Freedom of the press is essentially tearing this country apart at the cultural seams. I guess we just have to wait for Murdoch to die and hope things start to crumble.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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Flowers For Algeria posted:

You mean they weren't already?

It's a terrible place and ran by a cabal of paedophile cannibals but there are worse places. Such as inside a volcano or a toilet full of poop. We count our selves lucky everyday we haven't fallen to those levels.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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I'd of thought the obvious answer was the UK. Unless something changes our society is on a crash course for horrible patriotic tinged nationalism not seen since Nazi Germany. Accept Nazi Germany actually had a big army and industry to be proud of and we're just a bunch of ill educated inbred dipshits but whatever. God save the queen.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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Grimey Drawer
Wasn't TTIP terrible?

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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Ardennes posted:

Of course the issue with poo poo canning the F-35 is the US doesn't have a replacement for at least the F-35 B/C not to mention a bunch of allies already bought into the program. It is "too big to fail" at this point...funny how often that happens.


I think Russia's strength at this point is more its ideological/political pull (oddly enough) than its military. Putin's bet on populism has paid dividends recently.

Of course, the Achilles heel still has remained its economy and its deep reliance on energy prices. That said, Russia may get some relief in 2017. It looks like there might be a deal hammered out with OPEC (no one knows until the last minute though), and Russia will probably claw its way out of its recession. Also, it is very possible the EU may lack the political will to continue sanctions in the near-future (looking at France/Italy).

It doesn't really have a replacement for any F-35. The F-22 lines are gone and they're starting to have to cannibilise planes to keep the others working. I guess you can take it as a sign that beyond all the political circus no one in America is expecting a proper war anytime soon or they'd be panicking about the fact that we're now in the era of the west's front line fighter being a giant joke.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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Grimey Drawer

khwarezm posted:

Hmm, for some reason I heard the UK was more unequal than the US.

The financial crash of 2009 and Brexit uncertainty has cost the collective wealth of the country billions.

Of course there's more to running a successful nation than equality. Post-brexit Britain might be fairer but it's still going to be a nation of crumbling infrastructure and lowered life quality.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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Flowers For Algeria posted:

Holy poo poo this forum is full of olds, get me outta here

Oh yeah. And we've seen all this poo poo before. Mainly 1933 onwards. Bad times.

GaussianCopula posted:

So you would literally advocate for abandoning Democracy if a candidate you don't like is going to win?

Yeah. Democracy is only good when the bad side is in power because it means you have a chance. Once your side is in power then it's time to ensure they never lose power. We failed to do this in the UK and now we have the Tories for many more decades. A cautionary tale. Democracy is poo poo.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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Fabulous Knight posted:

I'm not French, but from what I understand he ran on a sort of left-ish platform that he has since completely abandoned during his five years in office. Basically promising more leftist policies but just being "more of the same"? Apparently the disappointment has been so severe that the Socialists now have no chance of winning with anyone, even someone else than Hollande.

What I don't quite understand is why people who normally vote socialist are voting for right wing candidates. How is that the solution to an underperforming socialist? Or are great portions of french society just not voting this election?

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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blowfish posted:

Watch Britain negotiate a loving not-actually-Brexit.

I don't think we're going to be that lucky.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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GaussianCopula posted:

Why would I not want this to be "real"? The video is obviously real but we are looking at a gang, probably with migration background, based on the demographics in Neuköln, attacking a woman. Not a hate crime against a "Muslim girl".

Holy loving poo poo. Don't just flip the ethnicity of the attackers to suit your ideology you oval office.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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Grimey Drawer
England was a nice place before the English + Normans ruined it. Thanks.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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tekz posted:

What the gently caress is wrong with the EU

The Germans were allowed to run it. You really shouldn't get to do that after all the death and destruction caused by the last two attempts to try and run Europe.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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When did it become ok to be so obviously compromised by Russian interests? Are the intelligence services asleep? Is there actually no "rule book" to this kind of thing (the act of willingly and obviously becoming a kind of semi-agent to a foreign power because they're just so lovely) so they're effectively paralyzed?

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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YF-23 posted:

DnD hasn't been majority socialist in a good while.

Well yeah it's full of Americans. They try to be socialist but most of them don't actually read so it's all a bit cargo culty.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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A Buttery Pastry posted:

Citation needed.

Someone tell her that's gold.

Diamonds are synonymous with western colonialism.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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Yes it was intricate knowledge of EU corruption and economics that lead the British public to vote leave.

Have you met the "average" UK "member of public". I have. I meet them everyday if I make the mistake of leaving the house. They're not very nice.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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Pluskut Tukker posted:

Lol at anyone from the UK or the US chiding the EU for having an excessive degree of income inequality.

That's not really how this works. We don't have to keep quiet about the injustices of other countries just because our own is poo poo. We're not in a competition. No one is trying to say "you're country is worse" in order to score points. This is the thread where we talk about the ongoing downfall of the EU. Which currently still includes the UK.

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Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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Friendly Humour posted:

Personally I think it's outrageous that those have more are asked to carry more of the burden for society, simply for the sake of a few poors.

*record_scratch.flac*

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