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Condiv posted:alphago is gonna lose that was six months ago though. i'm sure it's improved quite a lot since then. as of last week bookies were giving about 1:1 odds incredibly. here's an annotated view of one of the games with commentary by some other presumably good player analyst: https://gogameguru.com/go-commentary-deepmind-alphago-vs-fan-hui-game-5/ here's some ppl talking about alphago's play: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHRHUHW6HQE
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thanks for the link, always neat to see a person who knows what they're talking about poke at the game it definitely feels like google overstepped challenging the World's Greatest Go Master, but tbh in the last couple months the deep dream stuff is doing things (esp. the style transference stuff) i never thought would be possible so
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so people might be interested in what it means when they see things like "9dan" or "9p" like in that video's splash screen go has a ranking system, kind of like chess does, except with three distinct classes that have numerical ranks within them amateur players are known as "kyu", with a number that usually begins around 20 or so. so if you're totally new, you'd say you're 20kyu or abbreviate it as 20k. this number decreases the better you get, until you're 1kyu. usually there's no real body to evaluate kyu players, so it's more or less done by self-estimation once you pass 1kyu, you become 1dan, or 1d. "dan" players are advanced but not professional, and are usually given the rank of dan by their region's go association after passing tests and/or tournaments. from here, the number goes up to 7dan to 9dan, depending on the group past/parallel to that, there is the professional group, which are also referred to as "dan", although some distinction is made in abbreviation by saying that a low-ranked professional is 1p. again, this goes up to 9p lee sedol, the player tonight, is 9p. this means he is amongst the best of the best, and analogous to a chess grandmaster
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Mar 8, 2016 21:54
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i'll be sittin here wfh all night so i may tune in. i dont need Yet Another Game to be fuckin with buuuuuuuuuuuuuut
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Mar 8, 2016 21:55
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look man i'm just kind of excited and want to get people interested because i like go but i get so very few chances to have a friendly game
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Mar 8, 2016 21:58
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Space-Pope posted:look man i'm just kind of excited and want to get people interested because i like go but i get so very few chances to have a friendly game go is really expert-biased, even with handicaps you'll get annihilated
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Mar 8, 2016 22:24
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i prefer games I always win
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Mar 8, 2016 22:30
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echinopsis posted:i prefer games I always win i prefer to challenge people to regionally popular but peculiar games at which i will annihilate them (candlepin bowling, curling, and go)
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Mar 8, 2016 22:38
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sorry, but go looks kinda spergy and dumb
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Mar 8, 2016 22:42
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Sweevo posted:sorry, but go looks kinda spergy and dumb you're very rarely if ever a positive poster sweeves I don't know if you improve people's lives mate
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Mar 8, 2016 22:44
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check me out i'm a 7th dan snakes and ladders player 
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Mar 8, 2016 22:49
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Share Bear posted:go is really expert-biased, even with handicaps you'll get annihilated
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Mar 8, 2016 22:50
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is 9x9 leveled enough to give a poo poo about or is it the same nuclear assault from the pros thing
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Mar 8, 2016 23:03
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Jonny 290 posted:is 9x9 leveled enough to give a poo poo about or is it the same nuclear assault from the pros thing 9x9 is fine. the games are faster, and you'll learn quicker as a result
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Mar 8, 2016 23:05
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I feel as if there's some kind of joke in Google Research pitting their wits against a game with roughly a googol squared possible states but I can't get to it, so
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Mar 8, 2016 23:39
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imagine all the atoms in the visible universe. now replace each of them with a whole universes worth of atoms. that number of atoms is still orders of magnitude smaller than the number of legal go positions
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Mar 8, 2016 23:44
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not that it natyers, the computers still probably going to win
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Mar 8, 2016 23:45
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Space-Pope posted:look man i'm just kind of excited and want to get people interested because i like go but i get so very few chances to have a friendly game same I also don't have the discipline to play regularly and get better but I'm alright with that
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Mar 8, 2016 23:53
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Space-Pope posted:yup, and that's legal states. illegal states is something to the order of 10^172, so only about 1% of all theoretical states are considered legal Symbolic Butt posted:a good rule of thumb that I learned with Peter Norvig (my computerman hero) with dealing with brute force nowadays is: btw I didn't give the number for the actual problem of playing the game which involves searching through the game tree 
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it will be nice to have some more games with solid commentary in englishGeorge posted:lol who plays this loving game anymore i would no poo poo watch a go let's play
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Mar 9, 2016 04:07
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Watch The Divine Move instead of either the computer or the grandmaster getting wrecked in minutes. It's good
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Mar 9, 2016 04:24
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Google has absolutely no excuse for this awful music.
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Mar 9, 2016 04:36
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anyone good know how it is going? black looks in a better position to me a little?
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Mar 9, 2016 05:47
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this amateur broadcast doesn't even have a live stockfish score to tell us who is winning
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Mar 9, 2016 06:41
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all hail the computer
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Mar 9, 2016 08:32
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pointsofdata posted:all hail the computer
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Mar 9, 2016 08:32
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I'd much rather computers replaced these garbage commentators though
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Mar 9, 2016 08:35
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Lee sedol looked really flustered when he resigned
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pointsofdata posted:I'd much rather computers replaced these garbage commentators though the guy who plays go professionally was alright
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Mar 9, 2016 08:43
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pointsofdata posted:Lee sedol looked really flustered when he resigned holy poo poo he was so confident in an earlier interview about how alphago losing by 1-4 would be a significant victory for google.
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pointsofdata posted:Lee sedol looked really flustered when he resigned Hands shaking and poo poo. Dudes world has just collapsed in, next game is alphago's too
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Mar 9, 2016 14:05
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Symbolic Butt posted:holy poo poo he was so confident in an earlier interview about how alphago losing by 1-4 would be a significant victory for google. tbf he would have absolutely crushed the version that played back in october he just seriously underestimated how much it could improve over the course of four months
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Mar 9, 2016 14:12
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quote:I enjoyed this game and look forward to the next. I think I failed on the opening layout so if I do a better job on the opening aspect I think I will be able to increase my probability of winning i take that to mean "i didn't really have an anti-computer strategy for an opponent that good" which kinda makes sense cause it's not like anyone has ever needed one before. kasparov said pretty much the same thing after deep blue stomped him in that first game, didn't he?
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flakeloaf posted:i take that to mean "i didn't really have an anti-computer strategy for an opponent that good" which kinda makes sense cause it's not like anyone has ever needed one before. kasparov said pretty much the same thing after deep blue stomped him in that first game, didn't he? there was some weirdness with Kasparov's games where he massively overestimated how good deep blue was or something because if a weird endgame and it really threw him
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decent writeup here https://gogameguru.com/alphago-defeats-lee-sedol-game-1/ e: quote:“I was so surprised. Actually, I never imagined that I would lose. It’s so shocking.” Satellit3 fucked around with this message at 14:42 on Mar 9, 2016 |
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this is the extent of my go knowledge http://youtu.be/7-C1cpG6TLc
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PatRichCapone posted:the guy who plays go professionally was alright yeah he's OK most of the time, but the other guy is just useless. doesn't know anything about go and has 0 charisma
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Mar 10, 2016 08:44
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This game is closer according to the commentators
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2-0 for the robot
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I think it's a bit silly putting the UK flag under alphagos name during the game. imagine how bad the immigration statositcs would be if computers counted, Theresa may would have a heart attack
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