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Willias posted:If WoW was still good, possibly? But it hasn't been for quite a while now. FF14:ARR is the first WoW-clone that I seriously thought was any good at the end game. Besides, there's a level of flashiness and style that FF14 has that WoW cannot match. Period. Like the appeal of reading a novel with the most annoying and unspeakable names.
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Willias posted:Besides, there's a level of flashiness and style that FF14 has that WoW cannot match. This is where ff14 lacks compared to wow imo.
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Shy posted:This is where ff14 lacks compared to wow imo. On the other hand everything isn't covered in violently green piss. Visually you could argue either way, but in terms of music FFXIV is shockingly better than wow, and sound design is a super important factor for me.
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Nope WoW music is better too. Or it's a matter of personal taste, I don't know. e: actually i'll backtrack assuming heavensward is better because I haven't leveled that far Shy fucked around with this message at 02:13 on Mar 15, 2016 |
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Mar 15, 2016 01:49
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My issues with Heavensward was that it either has some bad design or it's limited by being on consoles. The two biggest being the awful GCD. Way to long inbetween attacks. And the loading screens inbetween zones.
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Play Bless Online op other input: I've played swtor for 4 years, its still bad. WoW: good, gets old quick when they dont release content for a year FFXIV: Fun, pretty, grindy. BDO: i didnt get past level 1. BnS: arenas were fun Takane fucked around with this message at 04:10 on Mar 15, 2016 |
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Mar 15, 2016 04:05
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Arcland posted:My issues with Heavensward was that it either has some bad design or it's limited by being on consoles. The two biggest being the awful GCD. Way to long inbetween attacks. And the loading screens inbetween zones. They did make it a little better with the zones being like 5x the size from vanilla.
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Mar 15, 2016 04:12
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And it is very limited by still being on the ps3
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Mar 15, 2016 04:23
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4.0 Goodbye PS3
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Digital_Jesus posted:4.0 Goodbye PS3 I love that the answer to every problem with ARR is that if you buy the base game, the current expansion and the expansion that might be out next year it will be a good game.
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Mar 15, 2016 09:30
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How dare they fix things
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Byolante posted:I love that the answer to every problem with ARR is that if you buy the base game, the current expansion and the expansion that might be out next year it will be a good game. Well , they seem to be working always on a lot of stuff, so they give hope
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Mar 15, 2016 10:33
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Byolante posted:I love that the answer to every problem with ARR is that if you buy the base game, the current expansion and the expansion that might be out next year it will be a good game. Alternatively, it's a pretty good game right now and the expectation is that lingering flaws will be addressed and it will become a better one for it 
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Mar 15, 2016 12:46
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Shy posted:How dare they fix things saying 'this game might be good in the future!' isn't very useful when someone says 'I want to play a mmo now'
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Mar 15, 2016 13:24
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Though the game is good now and you don't want to play an mmo.
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Mar 15, 2016 13:33
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I agree that the leveling is a slog but you only do it once, how unfun it is is also a matter of personal preference and being able to skip 90% of the game to repeat 10% with guildmates doesn't make a game good.
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Byolante posted:I love that the answer to every problem with ARR is that if you buy the base game, the current expansion and the expansion that might be out next year it will be a good game. Good thing it's a good game now, too.
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Man I don't know if it's just because I've not been playing a lot of MMOs lately or what, but I really don't find the GCD in FFXIV to be all that bad.
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I can totally get that people who don't like FFXIV's slower pace, though it's worth noting that the melee jobs are going to be packing the GCD time with oGCD abilities. Oh, and Machinist too.FaintlyQuaint posted:Good thing it's a good game now, too. i am tim! fucked around with this message at 14:46 on Mar 15, 2016 |
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Mar 15, 2016 14:40
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ChickenWing posted:Man I don't know if it's just because I've not been playing a lot of MMOs lately or what, but I really don't find the GCD in FFXIV to be all that bad. That's because it's not actually that bad. You get used to it quickly and the game is built around the pacing it creates.
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The GCD in FF14 is fine, it just sucks for the first 30-40 levels when you have like 3 abilities, which is why it gets a lot of hate. Later when you have a lot of off-GCD abilities/cooldowns/cross-class skills it's much better.
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Byolante posted:I love that the answer to every problem with ARR is that if you buy the base game, the current expansion and the expansion that might be out next year it will be a good game. I realize you're just a lovely posting gimmick but if you seriously believe the developers having a timeline for dropping old machine support and continual improvement projects for their MMO coming with pretty much every patch/expansion point is a bad thing then you should probably not play video games.
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Black Desert Online is a Fun and Cool game
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zwdzk posted:Black Desert Online is a Fun and Cool game Yeah it's definitely drawn me in. A lot of what I like is my various goals have realistic ends. I've got a production line running right now that's going to end in a boat, and I'm thrilled about that. I compare it to the only other sandbox that I have played recently (eve) and just realize that any "Worth Chasing" goal there is probably going to be the work of a year (Super/Titan) or take a bunch of grinding isk. Meanwhile my
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Digital_Jesus posted:I realize you're just a lovely posting gimmick but if you seriously believe the developers having a timeline for dropping old machine support and continual improvement projects for their MMO coming with pretty much every patch/expansion point is a bad thing then you should probably not play video games. No you are totally right, telling a guy who wants to play a mmo now that its currently clunky and slow and poorly paced but that its not an issue because COME NEXT EXPANSION EVERYTHING WILL BE GREAT is very useful. The UI is still hot garbage for things like inventory management/ah/banking, there is still days of playtime being wasted on running all over the place for no good reason other than 2 years ago they needed some way to slow down progress. http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/2793113/ Its not like I have never played the game and have no idea
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Sorry to all people playing FF14 on the PS3 but we have an announcement, you will no longer be able to play on the PS3. We will still accept your credit card payments.
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Byolante posted:No you are totally right, telling a guy who wants to play a mmo now that its currently clunky and slow and poorly paced but that its not an issue because COME NEXT EXPANSION EVERYTHING WILL BE GREAT is very useful. The UI is still hot garbage for things like inventory management/ah/banking, there is still days of playtime being wasted on running all over the place for no good reason other than 2 years ago they needed some way to slow down progress. Hey, you've got some good points about the state of the game and are obviously familiar with it enough to have an intelligent opinion. You're also coming off like some kind of hyperbolic twerp that doesn't want an actual conversation, so it's hard to take you seriously.
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Byolante posted:No you are totally right, telling a guy who wants to play a mmo now that its currently clunky and slow and poorly paced but that its not an issue because COME NEXT EXPANSION EVERYTHING WILL BE GREAT is very useful. The UI is still hot garbage for things like inventory management/ah/banking, there is still days of playtime being wasted on running all over the place for no good reason other than 2 years ago they needed some way to slow down progress. That's cool but you're putting a lot of words in a lot of other people's mouths to be angry over in this. We told him to try the game because it fit what he was looking for to a T. We didn't tell him he's Hitler if he doesn't like it too. Also lol how much do you like punching yourself in the dick with all those crafters leveled, no wonder you hated the game.
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Thinking the next expansion will make the game instantaneously better is a staple for every themepark mmo. Lets be honest.
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Arcland posted:Thinking the next expansion will make the game instantaneously better is a staple for every themepark mmo. Lets be honest. This is true but ignoring that aspect, at least in regards to FFXIV, for a moment the developers are using their expansion points as deadlines for removing things (like old console support) that hinder their ability to make changes to the game engine as a whole, not just promising that "THE NEXT CONTENTS GONNA BE GREAT GUYS YOU WAIT!" I don't think anyone here so far has said that the game doesn't have flaws, or that some of them aren't tedious and/or bullshit, but we have pointed out that the developers have acknowledged a ton of those flaws and they do have a relative schedule for getting things turned around. In addition to that they've already made a ton of QoL improvements so there's no reason to assume they're not going to make good on their efforts to improve things people feel are sore points in an otherwise very good MMO.
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If they fixed the inventory interface system I would probably come back, but the combination of how the bank/ah/helper system works is just mindbendingly terrible. Its the pudgy puk, thats why I kept playing
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What's up with the inventory? My frequent problem is how the game prevents you from performing multiple actions seemingly for no reason, for example you can't cast spells or craft while sitting, or you can't change equipped gear while interacting with vendors, but in general I love the interface, even the extra confirmations because I'm an obsessive pedant. I haven't used ah but I think I heard it wasn't too good.
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It kind of sucks that the option to view all four inventory tabs at once is buried in the mess of configuration menus; I spent weeks jumping between bags before I learned that was a thing. Same with the "Skip playback of previously viewed cutscenes" checkbox.
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Mar 16, 2016 11:14
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Chickenwing come play black desert with me, I'll have a boat tomorrow and we can go on boat adventures where no gay stuff will happen (maybe).
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Digital_Jesus posted:This is true but ignoring that aspect, at least in regards to FFXIV, for a moment the developers are using their expansion points as deadlines for removing things (like old console support) that hinder their ability to make changes to the game engine as a whole, not just promising that "THE NEXT CONTENTS GONNA BE GREAT GUYS YOU WAIT!" Final Fantasy Fanatics. Name of the next expansion.
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Is endgame crafting in FFXIV still a completely hosed gil/time sink with weekly currencies? Crafting was so good before 3.0, then instead of just bigger numbers and new skills like PvE classes, mat requirements for 50+ recipes were hugely inflated, they added the stupid specialization stuff, changed good% at 60, and made gearing a turbogrind an order of magnitude greater than the 2.x patch.
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Algid posted:Is endgame crafting in FFXIV still a completely hosed gil/time sink with weekly currencies? Endgame crafting is still a huge gil sink. 3* items themselves are actually incredibly easy to make once you have the ability to produce them, but getting there currently will easily set you back twenty million gil plus on just getting one set crafted and melded on average luck. Sucks, too, because the crafting system in the game is actually pretty neat. Don't bother until 3.3 (~2/3 months away) at the earliest if that's what you want to do in game, though.
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Rhymenoserous posted:Chickenwing come play black desert with me, I'll have a boat tomorrow and we can go on boat adventures where no gay stuff will happen (maybe). ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffmaybe
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well i mean gay stuff can happen if you want, but we have to trick kincaid into playing as well. no soths or guuldans.
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