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interrodactyl posted:So you still have no idea of what kind of package and position you could have gotten elsewhere. Im not that interested tbh. Why take off work, so I have a better BATNA? I'm not interested in leaving. And I can make reasonable estimates thanks to glass door and payscale, even correcting for their off averages. Best case is maybe my current position at a compa closer to .8-.9 (since I was promoted to a technical level that I haven't been out of school long enough for). Thats a short sighted choice compared to the benefits of where I work. Companies wont just randomly pay me 2x my salary when they can hire a similarly qualified person for 1x my salary and I can reasonably say that they can based on the data I have.
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Kalenn Istarion posted:Great job on not negotiating and it paying off somewhat for you. This is the negotiating thread so unless you can offer something useful for those who don't have the precise scenario you had where you got away with it why are you posting here? I mean you just said you're not interested in negotiating or evaluating the market. I am very interested in negotiating and do negotiate within my company often. Some example of this are getting to go to additional training (in fun cities) that is beyond my work scope but prepares me for what I want to do next (This has netted about $6000/yr in travel/training), making arguments to get additional people to our team (we have a loan in now to lighten our load we wouldn't otherwise), paying for a Master's degree (This costs my company $15k/yr and me $0/yr), and probably some others. I also negotiated when I got this job 2 years ago and the result was a salary higher than what my data said it should've been. While I may not have negotiated in this instance I certainly spent months marketing myself for this promotion. I generally post here to give people advice. In this case the useful advice is "be patient", don't get angry or react too quickly. The learned lesson is 1) Ask for your compa ratio cause hey they might tell you and 2) be patient. The advice/lesson is not "don't look for other jobs" and being patient doesn't have to involve that. As many people have pointed out, it doesn't hurt to look for other jobs and I agree thats generally good advice. Its not useful in my exact case but agree that isn't the general case. EDIT: This guy is the overly confrontational one btw: Dwight Eisenhower posted:This almost certainly won't work. Dwight Eisenhower posted:Congratulations. Being well liked by my management coupled with my work performance and other parties interest in me is what got me promoted. You have a lot of claims about me and my personality but the data says otherwise. Chill. CarForumPoster fucked around with this message at 01:25 on Jan 12, 2017 |
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bolind posted:How does one best go about applying for an open position in one's own company? I would call the manager to have lunch and to discuss fit as well as apply. Order is not strict IMO.
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Auralsaurus Flex posted:Do I have any options here? My BATNA's continued unemployment, so I feel like I don't. I read the transcript of the salary negotiation podcast with Mr. Doody that was linked upthread and in the OP, so I know I should negotiate, but the offer's only valid for two business days (seems pretty short) on top of everything else, which makes me hesitant. I was planning on countering with asking for a little more than the median salary for the actual position instead of the things I was looking at and performance reviews every six months for the first two years; does that seem reasonable? 1) They can make the offer good for as long as they want. This sort of language is to elicit a fast response. Give them one since you're going to negotiate. 2) State that the offer is below the expected salary now that you understand the job and benefits package and you'd agree on $Xk in light of this new information. Phrase it however you want, but it sounds like this is the actual reason youre unhappy that they hit the bottom of your range. This is a simple, straightforward, honest answer that doesnt lie about your BATNA. 3) IMO the performance review every 6 month things is not something you should count on. As many beat me on the head about your big raises come from moving jobs like youre doing now, not usually from performance reviews.
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Venkmanologist posted:Well I think the interview went well and I was able to confidently answer questions pertaining to the specific work that will be done. They grilled me a lot on project management and how I would handle hypothetical situations. I think I conveyed a good level of competency. FWIW, My experience across 30ish interviews has only been the opposite (for companies >100 employees) when it comes to what my salary WILL be. By the time they get there they're clearly very interested. As for my "expectations" they usually ask that right away or when I apply.
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the talent deficit posted:your data that says you're paid 25% below industry average? 28%, and yes. I am 3 years out of school being paid 28% less than someone who is 7.5 years out of school. 7.5 being the average experience of someone at my level. EDIT: So to be on track by year 7.5, I would need to get 7.57% raises each year to be paid the average by the time I reach average tenure. My raises have been 7% and 12% in my 2 years here. Thus my strategy would be to get >8% raises or consider leaving/moving within the company. Also, not sure how my company calculates it, if its not adjusted for cost of living (which is .93 best I can tell) then its actually an adjusted compa of .774 and I would need a 5.75% each year raise to stay on track. Also, as I've mentioned a few times, they pay nearly $20k/yr for my masters/training that I dont think is counted toward that. CarForumPoster fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Jan 28, 2017 |
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Jordan7hm posted:You should stop posting advice. You should quantify how your career is doing that merits your great ideas.
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Kalenn Istarion posted:I'm 35 and a VP at a public company whose responsibility includes contract negotiations and I'm making over $200k a year in base salary, plus I receive a bonus and stock options. That's excellent. Is there some advice I've given others you disagree with or is it mostly my attitude about liking what I've accomplished personally and being standoffish about it? the talent deficit posted:i dropped out of school to make video games, almost immediately quit that industry to spend a decade as an artist in the film industry and now i make $220k as a programmer specializing in distributed systems and ~*~big data~*~ Congrats!
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Most of these are fair replies and I will have a different tone. It wasn't meant to be directed to everyone but rather that guy specifically because he is not in the same boat you all are. I agree that no one should be complacent. Some see what I described as patient as complacent, I can see why even if I disagree. 
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Caustic posted:Thanks, that's an interesting perspective. The role is in software, for a top company in the Bay Area. I'm coming from a similar role at a competitor. I'm not planning on or expecting decades of commitment, but likely at least a few years or more. If it is Apple, PM me.
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I was approached internally to join an R&D team that would be rewarding to work on, very prestigious, expose me to leadership routinely, etc. They're awaiting funding but I got a firm invite to the team both in person and in an email after I sent a thank you. It will require significantly more hours of work compared to my strictly 40 hours job right now. The move is lateral, I'll have the roughly the same title and pay grade. (I was just promoted to this pay grade 6 weeks ago) Any tips on the timing/strategy of broaching the subject of a raise? Do it once they know they've got funding but before I get a firm offer? After the firm offer? Etc.
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