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Have any of you had to sell a property you currently live in prior to relocating for a new job? Would employers make accommodations if I need time to sell before moving? Or is it advisable to move to the job first, pay rent there using my initial pay (since I have zero savings), and hire a realtor to do the whole selling process while I'm completely absent?
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Hoshi posted:but on facilitating the sale remotely. Thanks, also what does this part mean? The company hires me a realtor? Or they just pay me a bigger bonus to hire my own? More difficult scenario: What if taking the job is contingent on me being able to sell the house? If there are no buyers, I'm stuck staying in the same city after all. That's I assume when it gets really complicated. Anyone heard of that predicament? I wouldn't even be able to fully move my stuff *out* of the house to the new job until the sale, because I can't commit to packing up everything to a new city until the house is sold. Being away from a house full of my stuff while a realtor tries to work around it to sell is awkward, at the very least. Is it common?
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One dollar. Then claim that you misunderstood the question
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Jan 21, 2020 01:43
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If the company knows what's good for them they'll take someone who knows how to spot negotiation tricks and not take the bait over someone who doesn't, and who will go on to make further dumb maneuvers for the rest of their time as their employee
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Piggybacking on that, I have another company insisting to me that they're one of the special ones where negotiation and counteroffers are literally impossible. This time they're saying it's Hollywood that works this way, rather than the UK. The only reason I don't find that laughable is that they're claiming it's more about the situation than the industry. In particular, it's a child company that hasn't launched yet and is still allocating its initial budget. No one is on payroll yet. The large company with infinite money simply gave this group a large check, and said use it however you want to form an effects studio. Could they be right? They're not recruiting me directly, only my best friend who's on their initial team is -- it seems like he has less reason to shill for them. He asked me flat out what my number was and I refused to say, and told him why. He said that the producer is clueless what a niche researcher like me makes, and will ask for how much I cost and if I don't cooperate, that will be the end of the call. He claims there will be no counteroffer. Moreover the producer will NOT be bothered to look into market rates of my specialty because they've never hired that sort of research scientist before and likely won't again. The large publicly traded parent corporation will not help him figure it out either; they're fully on their own. The quickly-assembled studio industry just works this way, he says. Do new studio projects really work much more like a bidding process, where everybody states their worth or nothing gets done? More generally, is the advice of this thread appropriate for a new company, where the person hiring me isn't even on payroll yet? Happy Thread fucked around with this message at 03:43 on May 26, 2020 |
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May 26, 2020 03:38
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I know, but I thought I'd ask because 1. They ARE a new company with no one on the payroll, which seems special, and 2. He's my best friend so it's a little jarring to have to play hardball with him. I already did, on that initial phone call, and I got him to gently caress up in a tremendous way that I'll tell you about in a bit. I do know that #1 is very common in Hollywood; big studio corporations *always* construct individual companies per movie production, to launder their association, so as to deny all their workers any semblance of job security or protections. But I want to hear some thoughts on if there's ANY universe in which he's right about new projects, where I have to name a number. Happy Thread fucked around with this message at 03:48 on May 26, 2020 |
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May 26, 2020 03:42
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Ooo, I forgot to specifically use the word "1099" when I asked if it was contractor loophole bullshit. Thank you, I will do that. The reason I trust him a little bit is because I do think he feels indebted to me a little, and maybe a little pity. He sees that I've been out-of-work for a while and always talk doom about the future, whereas years ago I landed him the job that launched his whole career. Similarly, he let things slip during the conversation that he *really* shouldn't have if he thought of himself as a recruiter playing hardball. On the other hand, now I've remembered Hollywood's bullshit industry tactics are something I know well from the doomsday economics thread. I know that even if this "new project, we're still forming our initial team" arrangement is special, it is the norm. Their hands aren't tied because the project is too new, but because big studio corps constantly set things up this way on purpose. That makes me more confident that I'm not just being too inflexible here. Happy Thread fucked around with this message at 06:26 on May 26, 2020 |
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Now the question becomes, do I want to put up a job in Hollywood if the norm there is "put everyone in a shell company on 1099's"? That will depend. If it IS an 1099, does the "rule of 1000" apply? Space Gopher posted:So, if you divide your target pre-tax W-2 salary by 2,000, you should get an estimate of your W-2 hourly rate. Multiply that by two and you get a reasonable baseline 1099 contracting wage. Or, you can just shortcut it and divide your salary by 1,000 to start with. The classic rule makes it sound like being in a 1099 means I would ask for TWICE as much than if I wasn't. Does that only apply when comparing it to part time/W2, or does it when comparing to full time/salary too? If a 1099 job offer says they pay $200k should I act as though it's really only offering $100k? Or is the difference vs. salaries much less extreme?
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Ah, on the 1099 question he just responded that it's W2. It sounds like a pretty sweet deal then, absent any major hidden catch. My BANTA isn't great but it exists. One thing that factors in is my concerns about market volatility, and the possibility of such forces wiping out big stupid Hollywood projects. Meanwhile, I have a competing offer from a govt./MIC research job that sounds more immune to the economy, at least on paper. If you ask me personally, it's all volatile right now; the dollar could collapse in several months' time anyway, so my BATNA then would be that all US jobs options are rendered equivalently pointless. Additionally, I can always walk from the US jobs market as a whole. I'm drawing unemployment benefits for now that exceed my costs, and if those fail to extend for Americans in July then I'll be in the same boat as nearly everyone. I'm housing secure for a while since my wife has property in her name. I can move to China with her if things get bad enough here, if they'll accept a PhD worker from overseas. But this one does sound like a sweet deal. Happy Thread fucked around with this message at 03:01 on May 27, 2020 |
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May 27, 2020 02:42
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I'll tell you how he screwed up from his employer's perspective. First, when explaining the project he broke NDA to tell me who the parent corporation was of the studio, which dispelled any doubts that yes, they've got infinite money to spend. Second, when trying to armwrestle a number out of me, he told me how *his* negotiation went as an example of how mine should go, and in it revealed what number *he* asked for, thus revealing his salary because they immediately accepted. He pointed out that I should be expected to ask for more, since I have a PhD to his BA. Then, I think I set some kind of record for this thread: He blinked, and he named a number for me before I ever named mine. As heated up as he got at my stubborn stonewalling, I outlasted his patience. He said how much *he* thinks I should ask for. He named a number that was $100k higher than what I would have asked for on my own. He said $250k. It makes sense, because his own salary is quite high at $210k as a high-level tech logistics person, and he says that I have a case to ask for more than him due to similar background (he was one of my students) plus my higher degree. I would have been fine with $150k since that's comparable to (or higher than) most openings I've looked at. 150k already sounds like a kingly salary for someone who intends to keep living as if there's 4000 in the bank, who just wants to build some emergency savings. I also honestly don't know my market rates because this job would have me working completely off from my specialty. He's looking at me anyway because I made a convincing case for why their project doesn't actually need an ML researcher, and would be better off with my specialty instead. They'd still be hiring me under that ML title that none of us know or care to find the true market rates of. Well, now I sort of know. Or at least, know he says they don't care what they spend -- and will just put whatever in the budget as long as it doesn't exceed big round numbers like a quarter mil. Don't put me in that spreadsheet yet, I haven't even interviewed. But god drat, negotiating a salary HARD works. Even if it means stonewalling like a cold motherfucker to your best friend, do it. It hasn't worked yet, but the thought that it could is insane. Imagine the difference this 30 minutes of negotiation could make after years of future employers assuming my worth based on that starting point, and scaling bonuses/promotions as a multiplier of it. Happy Thread fucked around with this message at 03:00 on May 27, 2020 |
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May 27, 2020 02:42
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Dik Hz posted:Bureau of Labor Statistics Whoa this is awesome, how do I use it? If I want to know how much my research field makes in industry in a certain city
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I recently came up with a sort of manipulative.... trick... to get through interviews with. I tried it on my last one. To my surprise it landed me a research lab job that I knew I was under-qualified for by objective measures. As thanks for this thread's advice, I typed it up for your amusement. It covers both the interview and the salary negotiation, since most of us do both. quote:
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Just be subtle about it! At minimum, allocate less time to the interview questions they'd remember that you struggled on, and more time on the parts where you sell yourself. Do use that final question; it came straight from this thread it worked.
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Dumb Lowtax posted:Just be subtle about it! At minimum, allocate less time to the interview questions they'd remember that you struggled on, and more time on the parts where you sell yourself. In other words, I didn't go into the interview planning to do any of that; it just sort of happened on its own as the conversation took its natural course. It was only afterwards where I tried to reconstruct what the hell just transpired.... what interaction it was that caused my interviewers to unexpectedly start singing my praises at the end of the call. At the time I was just slightly aware that I was nailing an interview but I had no grasp on why at first. Whether I captured what happened well or not, it worked, and the next week they had begun hiring paperwork. E: For me it wasn't a forceful or aggressive thing. The same goes for that final question. Two people said it worked for them ITT, and I just liked it as a question -- not as a tactic, but as a genuine opportunity to tie up loose ends about the interview. Happy Thread fucked around with this message at 13:25 on Jun 23, 2020 |
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Folks, you're in a dysfunctional jobs market that stopped hiring for productive work, and that was last year, before the deadly pandemic caused 40 million new unemployment applications. If you're not conning, you're getting conned, and the job you're interviewing for is likely to be gone in a matter of months anyway. Grab up what you can before it all closes up. The snake pit is all that's left. The economy is inescapable.spwrozek posted:Honestly by that part though I know if you are good or a dummy. I am not sure how anything from the OP would "work". Oh yeah, trying that would never make up for being a dummy. You still have to check the basic boxes needed for "a job", just not necessarily "that job". Even a dummy will have to be smart enough to manage a conversation about the industry at all, and smart enough to follow those instructions in the first place without overplaying them, or else like others said you'll come off as a con. Lockback posted:For the negotiation part, are you saying when you get an offer to stall and wait and not respond? That is not good advice. No no no--only to stall and deflect it when it comes to naming your number. Always stop short of saying one. There's plenty of other things to keep talking with them about, lol Happy Thread fucked around with this message at 02:27 on Jun 24, 2020 |
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