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Fidel Castronaut posted:Since we're talking about 80s Cold War cinema, I am fascinated with Rocky IV and how Drago is the ideal of the quantified body and how Americans are not machines like those Soviets. And yet, here we are with Fitbits that do what? Quantify our bodies. Though that whole "Soviets are machines" thing gets complicated in the last fight when Rocky's corner-man says "HE'S NOT A MACHINE, HE'S A MAN." and Drago says that Rocky "is like iron." I saw it as more that the Russians were big time cheaters who use steroids to try to win, while America is a wholesome country where hard work(Capitalism) destroys the cheating Russians anyways. It was a brilliant propaganda film.
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Malachy posted:I saw it as more that the Russians were big time cheaters who use steroids to try to win, while America is a wholesome country where hard work(Capitalism) destroys the cheating Russians anyways. It was a brilliant propaganda film. Speaking of Russia, there's another HBO movie called Citizen X, about a serial killer in the 80s and one detective trying to find him while fighting a bureaucracy that does not recognize his existence because serial killing is a decadent Western phenomenon. Samurai Sanders has issued a correction as of 04:33 on Mar 25, 2016 |
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Malachy posted:I saw it as more that the Russians were big time cheaters who use steroids to try to win, while America is a wholesome country where hard work(Capitalism) destroys the cheating Russians anyways. It was a brilliant propaganda film. They definitely make sure to hang on that shot of the steroids but it's one shot in a montage of Russian scientists looking at computer read-outs of Drago's excercise routine. Contrasted with Rocky living that Henry David Thoreau life in the cabin in Russia, chopping wood and dragging sleds. He's organic while Drago is inorganic. You could imagine his trainer quoting the Futurist Manifesto with "War is beautiful because it inaugurates the dreamed-of metallization of the human body." Futurism = facism and western rhetoric was that the USSR was indiscernible from 1930s fascism in Italy and Germany. The entirety of the Rocky series is about how well he can take a punch. He's cut up and swollen constantly, making him quite permeable, while Drago is impermeable. So that's what is interesting in the final fight when Rocky becomes the metallized body and Drago becomes the permeable body. It's almost as if we are saying that, to defeat communism, we must become robots ourselves. Then there's that whole bizarre thing with Paulie getting a robot for his birthday. That movie is all about cyborgs for real.
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Samurai Sanders posted:Speaking of Russia, there's another HBO movie called Citizen X, about a serial killer in the 80s and one detective trying to find him while fighting a bureaucracy that does not recognize his existence because serial killing is a decadent Western phenomenon. wait lol does this mean there's not just one, but two movies about the butcher of rostov that pull the same utter bullshit about the investigation? child 44 did the exact same thing and it's infuriating
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Fidel Castronaut posted:They definitely make sure to hang on that shot of the steroids but it's one shot in a montage of Russian scientists looking at computer read-outs of Drago's excercise routine. Contrasted with Rocky living that Henry David Thoreau life in the cabin in Russia, chopping wood and dragging sleds. He's organic while Drago is inorganic. You could imagine his trainer quoting the Futurist Manifesto with "War is beautiful because it inaugurates the dreamed-of metallization of the human body." Futurism = facism and western rhetoric was that the USSR was indiscernible from 1930s fascism in Italy and Germany. And, let's be completely loving honest here: The soviets were doping their athletes so goddamn hard that they would sometimes cause their athletes' genders to change.
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Homework Explainer posted:wait lol does this mean there's not just one, but two movies about the butcher of rostov that pull the same utter bullshit about the investigation? child 44 did the exact same thing and it's infuriating
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Samurai Sanders posted:What do you mean, that this movie is inaccurate and he actually had full institutional support but it still took 15 years or whatever? He's a communist, Samurai. You won't get through to him.
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Samurai Sanders posted:What do you mean, that this movie is inaccurate and he actually had full institutional support but it still took 15 years or whatever? i mean, the investigation just took a long time and mistakes were definitely made. but it wasn't because the authorities didn't believe soviet citizens could murder or whatever. that's pure fiction and serves an obvious propaganda purpose. the detectives bungled things for sure My Imaginary GF posted:He's a communist, Samurai. You won't get through to him. i think you'll find being a communist makes one's ability to self-criticize more acute, not less
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zen death robot posted:Rocky IV was fuckin great
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Homework Explainer posted:i mean, the investigation just took a long time and mistakes were definitely made. but it wasn't because the authorities didn't believe soviet citizens could murder or whatever. that's pure fiction and serves an obvious propaganda purpose. the detectives bungled things for sure Is it not true that they didn't believe in psychological profiling too?
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Samurai Sanders posted:It wasn't that they said they didn't believe in murder, just that they thought killing over and over again for pleasure was something caused by capitalism or whatever. definitely not. once it was determined chikalito's victims were killed by the same person, the investigation was massive. Samurai Sanders posted:Is it not true that they didn't believe in psychological profiling too? i don't know that offhand. maybe. it's worth looking into edit: i'm gonna track down a copy of this thing now because you've made me curious. cheers. R. Guyovich has issued a correction as of 05:03 on Mar 25, 2016 |
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Homework Explainer posted:i think you'll find being a communist makes one's ability to self-criticize more acute, not less Hahahaha Thanks for giving me something to laugh at so hard I woke my roommate Hahahaha You want a Kenyan docudrama about cold-war politics, in which all the white characters are made black? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JI-iNJPI_6s
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My Imaginary GF posted:Hahahaha yes, yes, i'm sure it was very funny. thanks for the update
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Homework Explainer posted:yes, yes, i'm sure it was very funny. thanks for the update like do you loving know nothing about soviets doping their athletes so hard that they caused women to turn into men?
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My Imaginary GF posted:like do you loving know nothing about soviets doping their athletes so hard that they caused women to turn into men? i don't know much about it honestly. my post was in response to the notion that because of my politics i'm incapable of critical thought when it comes to socialist states
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Homework Explainer posted:i don't know much about it honestly. my post was in response to the notion that because of my politics i'm incapable of critical thought when it comes to socialist states https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VvKQ2kVBwTU Communism is very bad. It forces girls to become boys to score propaganda points. That's goddamn disgusting.
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My Imaginary GF posted:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VvKQ2kVBwTU this probably isn't the right thread for this discussion but i'll look into this
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zen death robot posted:Ted Cruz's sex tape New YCS subtitle.
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Charlie Wilson's War It's more about a specific set of events than politics, I suppose, but the politics of getting poo poo done is an important theme of the movie. Tom Hanks and Seymour Hoffman are really good and Julie Roberts looks good in a bath tub. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-c_ctZ4lUCk Penskecat has issued a correction as of 21:39 on Mar 25, 2016 |
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Helsing posted:Of course, though, the best film on politics is the greatest anti-war film of the 20th century. No, it's not that boring Deer Hunter. It's not that overly long and indulgent Apocalypse Now. It's not a Black and White snorefest All Quiet on the Western Front or some joylessly accurate foreign film like Das Boot. No, there's only one movie that truly captures the absurdity of warfare. i'm actually reading the whole thread now and this is the most correct post
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Penskecat posted:Charlie Wilson's War I'd say the more important theme is the short sighted nature of these engagement and as the movie ultimately absolves charlie wilson IRL, his words point out that arming the mujahadeen without further investment in the region would be a disaster and welp whaddya know. I'm not entirely willing to let the movie celebrate charlie wilson the way it does and also totally absolving him of any responsibility for the aftermath
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hemophilia posted:I'd say the more important theme is the short sighted nature of these engagement and as the movie ultimately absolves charlie wilson IRL, his words point out that arming the mujahadeen without further investment in the region would be a disaster and welp whaddya know. I'm not entirely willing to let the movie celebrate charlie wilson the way it does and also totally absolving him of any responsibility for the aftermath I'm not so sure he was as short sighted as he was naive to the think that what he started would be sustained by policies/administrations that generally don't sustain these kinds of things. As for his responsibility for the aftermath, I really have no idea. I suspect his political capital was spend, however. I just kinda threw this movie out there as a good political story. The point you made about arming the mujahadeen points out its current relevance as an early chapter of the post-911/Al Qaeda/Iraq/ISIS world in which we find ourselves today. Now I'm enraged at the Gubment again.
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computer parts posted:Lincoln is about making political sausage and it's very good imo, especially since it has a progressive character who flat out says to not let the perfect be the enemy of the good. it's exceptionally awful and throws in straw black people to applaud and cheer over the kind white people politicking over their lives, and thaddeus stevens compromising in the face of white supremacy is a crushing defeat that's treated as the height of heroism
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Homework Explainer posted:thaddeus stevens compromising in the face of white supremacy is a crushing defeat that's treated as the height of heroism Yeah that's why it's good.
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The Red and the White is one of the best films about political ideology ever made. Also Robocop
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computer parts posted:Yeah that's why it's good. if you're an idiot liberal, sure
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Watched Trumbo, which was about the Red Scare and the Hollywood blacklist. I found it boring. Watched Bridge of Spies, which was about a Cold War flashpoint. It was decent and enjoyable, which is about what you'd expect from a Hanks/Spielberg project.
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Three Kings (1999) is a very good movie about soldiers trying to find a rumored stash of gold from Saddam Hussein during the first Gulf War. I'd say it's a black comedy, although it's more like it alternates between comedy and drama.
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Echo Chamber posted:Watched Trumbo, which was about the Red Scare and the Hollywood blacklist. I found it boring. I gave up on it with half an hour to go. Such a waste of Cranston's talent to have him chew the scenery like that, in a movie which should have been half as long, at most. A TV special or something.
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Lots of good ones ITT. I'd like to add: No (2012) - Based on the story of the ad campaign that saw Pinochet lose the 1988 referendum in Chile. Very watchable, sometimes funny, with plenty of 80s nostalgia. Interesting because of the ambiguity of the good guys running a manipulative political advertising campaign. Trailer.  ¡Que viva México! (1979) - Eisenstein. Not really about politics, but meant as a docudrama with a strong political context. Actually shot in the 30s, but never properly completed. Beautiful photography. I couldn't find a YT version of this that wasn't compressed to hell, unfortunately.  Man Bites Dog (1992) - It's about ethics in video journalism. The whole thing, and with subtitles too. e: Be warned, it's very 
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Network pairs well with How to Get Ahead in Advertising. And if watching nazis burn is your thing, then watch The Dirty Dozen.
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