Breaking News: Batman vs Superman is bad

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achillesforever6: Apr 23, 2012; psst you wanna do a communism?

literally a hog posted:

Probably yeah, they quietly cancelled the sequel to the FF movie.

Theres also all kinds of crazy maneuvers at Marvel comics going on where they seem to be sabotaging the characters comics that Fox owns the films rights to. They cancelled the Fantastic Four comic,their longest running series ever, in advance of the summer 2015 Fox movie. Xmen writers being told not to create new mutant characters because Fox could use them in their movies. poo poo's cray.

Well that and the FF comics weren't really selling that much, I think there is a little bit of that "gently caress over Fox", but its kind of overblown, I mean they are still making tons of X-Men comics because they make money.

# ¿ Mar 27, 2016 16:01

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achillesforever6: Apr 23, 2012; psst you wanna do a communism?

8-Bit Scholar posted:

Yeah, but having him be "alcoholic and emotionally broken Batman" doesn't give us a lot of opportunities to really enjoy the character.

You are not supposed to enjoy Batman, he's supposed to be this broken down man in the wrong who is just a mentally ill thug beaten up the poor and downtrodden. Not like the current generation grew up with something that showed Batman was cool and who gives a gently caress about how in the real world Bruce Wayne would be an awful person.

I mean its not really shocking that a Randian with the dream of making a The Fountainhead movie is poo poo at making a good superhero movie

# ¿ Mar 27, 2016 16:31

achillesforever6: Apr 23, 2012; psst you wanna do a communism?

Neurolimal posted:

Roger Corman is a fantastic director, no sarcasm or irony neccessary.

I will always respect him with how he dealt with that whole Fantastic Four fiasco, the guy made an effort to make that movie despite it only being made to keep the rights to the brand and said film is much better than any of the modern Fox movies. Except for the Human Torch, Chris Evans was much better than the guy they got.

# ¿ Mar 27, 2016 20:25

achillesforever6: Apr 23, 2012; psst you wanna do a communism?

Mel Mudkiper posted:

Man, I really want a Fleischer style Superman movie now

I want Superman to punch a goddamn laser back into a laser cannon and then tie the barrel in a knot. That was loving sick.

EDIT: Also, whatever happened to Superhero Themes? Right now I bet you can sing the Donner Superman or Burton Batman theme in your head. Quick, sing the Man of Steel theme. Sing the Avengers theme. See what I mean? We need good memorable themes again.

Even thought the DCAU is cool as a whole, I kind of wish it was done in the style of early Batman TAS instead of by Justice League there were like 4 templates for each gender.

# ¿ Mar 29, 2016 00:30

achillesforever6: Apr 23, 2012; psst you wanna do a communism?

8-Bit Scholar posted:

DC gets the talent too, but Marvel's talents are almost entirely squandered by their watered down plots and bland cinematography. At th every least BvS is Zach Snyder's vision; Suicide Squad will be Ayers, and Batman Begins was Nolan's. DC properties let filmmakers make their own films with them, whereas Marvel pushes out talent like Edgar Wright because they want a homogenous image. It fills seats, but the movies all grow samey. See Avengers 1 vs Avengers 2.

I still don't see what Edgar's problem was because Ant-Man was pretty enjoyable and only had two three scenes where the now defunct shadow concil told Edgar to do this and that.

I think Marvel does allow a lot more creative freedom than people give them, it just depends on the director being able to make some compromises. Iron Man 3 is clearly a Shane Black film, Guardians is a James Gunn film and the Russo brothers got a lot of leeway in making Winter Soldier and for all their faults the Avengers films are definitely the product of Joss Whedon. Thank god the Russo's are in control now though since Joss is pretty hacky at making movies.

# ¿ Mar 30, 2016 04:10

achillesforever6: Apr 23, 2012; psst you wanna do a communism?

8-Bit Scholar posted:

It's possible they got better at this, but I slowly found myself losing interest around Thor 2 and Cap 2 and all the 2's. Iron Man 2 was a big disappointment overall, and the fact that they haven't even attempted to tell the Demon in a Bottle or whatever storyline with him sort of irritates me, because I feel like they don't want to make Tony Stark do any sort of character growth; he certainly dodged it in Iron Man 2.

IIRC the reason why they haven't done Demon in a Bottle is because RDJ doesn't want to because its to personal for him

# ¿ Mar 30, 2016 12:32

achillesforever6: Apr 23, 2012; psst you wanna do a communism?

Booblord Zagats posted:

She's a young girl, the primary uncreepy demographic for that. I thought brony's were just neckbeards that are 20+

Also, the new Teen Titans, Gum Ball and Regular show own and I always like it when my nephews come over because it's an excuse to watch them and not feel dorky

That and she's voiced by Tara Strong

# ¿ Mar 31, 2016 17:52

achillesforever6: Apr 23, 2012; psst you wanna do a communism?

Booblord Zagats posted:

I dunno what that means, but ok

The voice actress of Raven also voices some of the ponies from that show (that and a poo poo ton of other characters because she has a monopoly in the voice actress industry)

# ¿ Apr 1, 2016 00:15

achillesforever6: Apr 23, 2012; psst you wanna do a communism?

gender illusionist posted:

that was a great movie

And yet CD will go on and on how its a movie about how great Libertarians are

# ¿ Apr 4, 2016 13:00

achillesforever6: Apr 23, 2012; psst you wanna do a communism?

I still can't believe they couldn't just adapt this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5nUsa8ZLm4

# ¿ Apr 6, 2016 03:38

achillesforever6: Apr 23, 2012; psst you wanna do a communism?

Irradiation posted:

Everything about Batman TAS is legitimately good.

Everything about the DCAU is great because its fun and has poignant moments, but also moments of levity, also its amazing the voice cast they got over the years

The evolution of Batman is great where by Batman Beyond he is the broken down bitter old man, but when Terry comes in he starts to soften up and open himself to the people he casted away.

Nothing these DC Movies do will ever top scenes like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWHHsdE_oQg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFoPc52Kd8I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8m6WxvZHmo

A GLISTENING HODOR posted:

Pittsburgh just looks like a red brick toilet. There's nothing stylish or romantic about it. It's just a dirty, average, mundane city. And it's very much not Batman/iconic.

You take that back :argh:

Oh god you are right :negative:

achillesforever6 fucked around with this message at 04:25 on Apr 6, 2016

# ¿ Apr 6, 2016 04:20

achillesforever6: Apr 23, 2012; psst you wanna do a communism?

Gorilla Salad posted:

I always liked this moment:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME66HTeNbHY

Because of course Batman already knows who they are. He's Batman.

The Christmas episode is pretty great too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnKtEfPBVq0

# ¿ Apr 6, 2016 12:38

achillesforever6: Apr 23, 2012; psst you wanna do a communism?

many johnnys posted:

Delivery was pretty good too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Qy4EIvvVj4

edit: meanwhile, on the other side of that exchange:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGlTpj83DfE&t=54s

Its also pretty great since the guy who voiced Flash was also acting as Lex on Smallville at the time

Also I realized they aren't going to have Michael Ironsides voice Darkseid so what's the point of doing a movie with Darkseid then?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0pcChyV6o4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phWcmwlpjQo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qXyRETjy-Q
I love how :smug:

Clancy Brown voices Lex, its perfect

Zombie Boat posted:

The guy who loves zizek also said the avengers are the villains of the marvel movies soooo

Isn't he a bartender or something, maybe he needs to pretend to be some deep pseudo intellectual who can take separate screenshots of films and put red lines on them to make himself feel better

# ¿ Apr 7, 2016 01:53

achillesforever6: Apr 23, 2012; psst you wanna do a communism?

Mel Mudkiper posted:

Really? He came up all the time in college but never really was given any higher priority than Edward Said or Stanley Fish, etc.

The people namedropping Zizek all the time for their terrible ideas makes me realize how it must of felt a generation ago when somebody went "well, according to Derrida..."

I never heard of him in my CCAC community college Phil 101 class, but that was mainly because my prof was an objectivist who had written several books on Ayn Rand so we never heard the end of that.

Another thing I love about that Comic Book Movie thread is whenever someone brings up Winter Soldier, someone will eventually get upset that it was described as "being influenced by 70s political thrillers"

# ¿ Apr 7, 2016 16:11

achillesforever6: Apr 23, 2012; psst you wanna do a communism?

Otisburg posted:

idk maybe it's a lazy king aurthur myth ref

Its a reference to a movie Excalibur which means Snyder is a genius who loves film, unlike those paid shills at Marvel Corp.

# ¿ Apr 8, 2016 17:50

achillesforever6: Apr 23, 2012; psst you wanna do a communism?

whatever7 posted:

I don't know anything about Wonder Woman besides this movie and google image. I still think she is a worse design than Superman. I think Zack Snyder intentionally cast a flat chested woman to make WWr more "contemporary", except he cast a supermodel who can't speak English.

Having a bunch of overpowered and very boring superheroes is why DC can't make decent comic book movie except Batman.

But she was in the IDF which means she at least knows how to drive a bulldozer

# ¿ Apr 9, 2016 01:57

achillesforever6: Apr 23, 2012; psst you wanna do a communism?

Xenomrph posted:

Gal Gadot actually talked about this very point on Conan recently, it was pretty entertaining.

Also like an idiot I tried posting in the CineD thread for this movie. I should have known better.
Like, I'd like to think I wasn't saying anything outlandish, but some of the film's defenders are acting like I'm a literal crazy person. I, just, I don't even know

There's one person there who has been pushing so hard all the news, set pics, and featurettes about BvS and about how much Wonder Woman is totally going to kick rear end and looks badass that I wouldn't be suprised if he or she was paid by WB to shill.

# ¿ Apr 9, 2016 04:41

achillesforever6: Apr 23, 2012; psst you wanna do a communism?

Ron Paul Atreides posted:

this is TAS right?

I think its from Mask of the Phantasm which is the best theatrically released Batman movie

Also I like how in the DCAU Lois Lane finds out that Batman is Bruce Wayne before she finds out Supes is Clark (or does she ever find out, I forget)

Xenomrph posted:

Was it the person I was responding to?

Like the cognitive dissonance in that thread was staggering. Here's a real life paraphrase of something someone said to me: "Movies don't have to 'earn' anything, and it's hosed up that you think they do."
Was I getting trolled? I was getting trolled, right? Am I just an idiot?

It was teagone

# ¿ Apr 9, 2016 19:53

achillesforever6: Apr 23, 2012; psst you wanna do a communism?

CD already circling the wagons with the good press Civil War is getting "EVERY COMIC BOOK MOVIE GETS GOOD SOCIAL MEDIA REVIEWS BECAUSE THEY ARE JUST HAPPY TO SEE IT FIRST!!!"

# ¿ Apr 9, 2016 23:41

achillesforever6: Apr 23, 2012; psst you wanna do a communism?

Blazing Ownager posted:

Deadpool's regeneration is actually better only because even if you permakill him to the cell, death likes him and chucks him back anyway which I thought was kind of funny.

That and Thanos made him immortal because he was jealous

# ¿ Apr 13, 2016 01:09

achillesforever6: Apr 23, 2012; psst you wanna do a communism?

Nirvikalpa posted:

One thing I hate is people complain that critics don't like dark movies, just fun Marvel flicks. But why does that explain that the Dark Knight and Days of Future Past being popular?

However, BvS has no substantive character scenes like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvqAfXyDcQo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7LsBMA-rKg

I can't imagine any scenes with such meaning or passion in a Snyder Justice League film.

Also the interrogation scene in TDK points out how absurd that Batman is a guy in a costume beating up people and that maybe it's not something to take so seriously.

Why is it that DC seems obssessed with the idea Batman is in fact bad and that Bruce is in the wrong for creating the persona

# ¿ Apr 13, 2016 03:34

achillesforever6: Apr 23, 2012; psst you wanna do a communism?

Civil War looking pretty good
http://www.empireonline.com/movies/captain-america-civil-war/review/

# ¿ Apr 13, 2016 23:16

achillesforever6: Apr 23, 2012; psst you wanna do a communism?

Rutibex posted:

because in an alternate universe that superman went to once, Lex became president and ended up nuking the world or something (i donno its pretty vague)

He killed the Flash, who as it turns out was the moral center of the team

# ¿ Apr 19, 2016 20:58

achillesforever6: Apr 23, 2012; psst you wanna do a communism?

At least they recognized that mistake when he showed up in Batman Beyond and Justice League.

JL and JLU were up on Netflix until recently, me and my brother ran through the whole show and it does hold up really well.

Superman TAS is also really good along with Batman Beyond and a lot of Batman TAS

# ¿ Apr 20, 2016 18:27

achillesforever6: Apr 23, 2012; psst you wanna do a communism?

Jonas Albrecht posted:

That was such a good episode.

Had a bunch of the voice cast from the DCAU show up in it, best Brave and the Bold is probably Chill of the Night which is one of the best Batman things ever created

# ¿ Apr 22, 2016 13:02

achillesforever6: Apr 23, 2012; psst you wanna do a communism?

A GLISTENING HODOR posted:

God Tier:

Kevin Conroy
Adam West

Good:

Michael Keaton
Will Arnett

Meh:

Val Kilmer
Ben Affleck

poo poo Tier:

George Clooney
Christian Bale

I forgot that Kevin Conroy and Tim Daly did a stupid Batman vs Superman short video that is better than BvS because Kevin Conroy is god tier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYCVnWStLrg
Also a cool thing Kevin Conroy did after 9/11

quote:

"After the September 11, 2001 attacks in New York City, Conroy helped out in the relief efforts by volunteering to do cooking duties for officers and firefighters. On the Batman: Gotham Knight DVD's commentary, he told the story about it, and how another cook found out he was the voice of Batman. He asked if he could tell everyone, and Conroy agreed, though he thought no one would even know who he was. At the other cook's urging, Conroy yelled in the voice of Batman, "I am vengeance! I am the night! I... am... Batman!" (a line he had famously delivered in the episode "Nothing to Fear" from Batman: The Animated Series) eliciting cheers from the first responders eating at the relief center. They began telling him what their favorite episodes were, and how they had watched the show with their kids. He said it was the first time he had seen any of them smile or laugh since the attacks a week earlier

# ¿ Apr 23, 2016 23:11

achillesforever6: Apr 23, 2012; psst you wanna do a communism?

Blurry Gray Thing posted:

Any version of Aquaman who can't sing the Aquaman's Rousing Song Of Heroism is not a good Aquaman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsEBOlxw4f8

Nobody cared about the original Aquaman beyond "Aquaman, he's really useless!" jokes. Nobody got taken in by Angry, Angsty Aquaman. Happy Aquaman at least had something going for him.

I don't know JL Aquaman was pretty rad, guy cut off his own arm to save his son from falling into a volcano and then put a giant hook sword on the stump

But yeah Brave and the Bold Aquaman is still the best
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MixXnzefsBA

# ¿ Apr 24, 2016 23:42

achillesforever6: Apr 23, 2012; psst you wanna do a communism?

Agent Venom is not just some guy its Flash Thompson aka Peter Parker's bully from high school

# ¿ Apr 26, 2016 04:22

achillesforever6: Apr 23, 2012; psst you wanna do a communism?

Serious Frolicking posted:

i guess it was time for someone to break the streak of amazing jokers. romero, nicholson, hamill, etc. there was never a single best one, what with how different all their performances were. they were all excellent in different ways.

now leto gets to make his mark as the worst portrayal of the joker, hands down. i am pretty sure that the porn parody jokers are gonna look better by comparison.

I don't know Brent Spiner was a pretty loving bad Joker

# ¿ Apr 28, 2016 12:45

achillesforever6: Apr 23, 2012; psst you wanna do a communism?

I like how now in the comic book movie thread people are poo poo talking about RDJ and wishing he never got sober because he said mean things about indy films and a :smug:

overrated director.

# ¿ Apr 29, 2016 12:35

achillesforever6: Apr 23, 2012; psst you wanna do a communism?

Pvt.Scott posted:

I was told the writing was really good in Sandman so I went and opened some trade once, and the lovely art made me close it after a quick flip through before I read anything. It was a bunch of brown blotchy poo poo and some scribbles. If I'm gonna pay for a funny papers book, I need to be able to stand looking at it, fellas. Glad to know the franchise is in good hands.

Maybe it was just the lovely volume where the artist was strung out on heroin or something.

I guess you were reading the last trade since the art from that is pretty well known for being awful or "Stylized"

I like Gaiman's writing so I'm glad at least his Starz American Gods adaption looks to be going down the right path.

Really The Sandman shouldn't be a movie, it should be a TV series on HBO.

My favorite story is that Neil was at a meeting in the 90s with a bunch of studio execs pitching a Sandman movie and one of them goes "Is there a central villain?" and when Neil said no, the guy just stood up and left :lol:

# ¿ May 1, 2016 02:14

achillesforever6: Apr 23, 2012; psst you wanna do a communism?

Cowman posted:

why the gently caress do they like snyder he's terrible. not in the obfuscated "I don't get this therefore it's bad" terrible but the genuine absolutely unwatchable boring trash terrible.

Because he makes you feeeeeel man.

Marvel movies are a sign that we are living in this Brave New World dystopia where we watch movies that make us feel good and ignore all the poo poo in the world!!!

# ¿ May 1, 2016 05:32

achillesforever6: Apr 23, 2012; psst you wanna do a communism?

Jonas Albrecht posted:

Literally the only good Aquaman.

I don't know the JL/JLU Aquaman was pretty cool

# ¿ Jul 6, 2016 03:20

achillesforever6: Apr 23, 2012; psst you wanna do a communism?

CharlestonJew posted:

why is lois lane the key

who gives a gently caress about lois lane

All I can imagine is Zack Snyder bench pressing while explaining to his yes men lackeys why Lois is the key to the franchise in the same way that Lucas explained to his Yes Men lackeys why Jar Jar was the key to the Phantom Menace

# ¿ Jul 6, 2016 14:05

achillesforever6: Apr 23, 2012; psst you wanna do a communism?

Otisburg posted:

I think there was an interview with Snyder where he said Superman was a ridiculous idea and it got worse if you let him say a lot of words. Which explains why the film is the way it is, but not why Zack Snyder was the guy to direct a Super Man film.

Man I remember in the cartoons thinking "How ridiculous Superman was because he talked a lot" :jerkoff:

Ron Paul Atreides posted:

I'll bite, why was this better than civil war, what makes it better

Because Marvel hates creative freedom, bring back New Hollywood and let Directors do whatever the gently caress they want, screw everyone else who has a hand in making the movie especially the people funding it.

That and Marvel likes to say things like "Winter Soldier is inspired by 70s political thrillers" which makes a bunch of geeks mad. That and the movies aren't shot interesting or cool like Snyder because they care about things like making everything else enjoyable with characters. Another thing is that people were mad that the end of Winter Soldier was the Hydra reveal was lame because it was cooler if America was the actual bad guy because it wouldn't be "toothless"

# ¿ Jul 9, 2016 18:25

achillesforever6: Apr 23, 2012; psst you wanna do a communism?

frozenpeas posted:

That's quite a sentence.

I saw the extended version of this the other day. I went in thinking, surely it can't be a awful as everyone said, and finished it hating myself for having bothered to find out. It's super bad. I don't think I've ever seen a major studio release that was so completely incoherent. It felt like three different movies badly edited together.

Yeah I know, basically I know Marvel movies kind of don't give a poo poo about how the film looks on a cinematographic level and more focus more on getting really charismatic actors to have fun and tell a goofy story that most people like over the SMG's who are obssessed with taking screencaps of the Avengers and explaining why its bad while screencapping scenes from Transformers to explain to me why its such a great movie that I don't get.

# ¿ Jul 10, 2016 02:38

achillesforever6: Apr 23, 2012; psst you wanna do a communism?

ZDar Fan posted:

Did this actually happen

Actually I might be confusing people, I know there was a thread that talks about how the Transformers franchise is actually great and subversive and not totally banal and awful movies.

# ¿ Jul 10, 2016 03:19

achillesforever6: Apr 23, 2012; psst you wanna do a communism?

Frankenstyle posted:

The problem with AoU was that they implied Ultron was causing global catastrophes with E-Terrorism, but never bothered to cover that angle even with just with a montage of him shutting down power grids and turning all of Londons traffic lights green or whatever. The problem with BvS was that the director has the attention span of a goldfish and the whole move was a series of semi coherent barely related music videos pasted together randomly.

Advantage / Ultron.

I mean that and Joss Whedon thinking he could make a 4 hour movie and then being told that no and had to edit it to hell and back.

Gatts posted:

More like he at least presents some interesting food for thought that has more insight than "That was awesome! Not like that, which sucks!" but yeah the best part is when he trolls people who get so uppity and uptight about it. Like, he just post something and fanboys get so upset and keep arguing.

Yeah I don't know why I get wound up by SMG posting his paragraphs and screenshots with red MS Paint lines on them.

Honestly he doesn't have the dumbest opinion in that thread, that belongs to the guy who said that RDJ was a racist for saying mean things about the director of Birdman and that RDJ should have never gotten clean because he became a quip machine in movies. Also some rubbish on how RDJ was a backstabber because he said indie movies sucked even though indie movies in the early 2000s saved his career.

# ¿ Jul 11, 2016 00:30

achillesforever6: Apr 23, 2012; psst you wanna do a communism?

SciFiDownBeat posted:

also I'm pretty sure every cage-related meme comes from a screencap of vampire's kiss. it's entertaining imo

Can you believe that the director of that movie is mad at Cage for "ruining" it?

# ¿ Jul 11, 2016 22:45

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# ¿ May 21, 2024 06:16

achillesforever6: Apr 23, 2012; psst you wanna do a communism?

Neurosis posted:

a large percentage of 30 year olds are playing a pokemon game. the decadent west is encouraging interests leading to intellectual regression, filling our lives with inconsequential minutiae distracting us from the slow decay of our own culture, a slow moral and cultural death which will only be brought to its end under the heel of the caliphate, which will ban such irresponsible and frivolous pastimes so we can live life as god intended.

Hey I liked your movie Birdman; Alejandro Gonz�lez I��rritu, you should go to CD since they also share your vision that Superhero movies are "Cultural Genocide"

# ¿ Jul 13, 2016 20:45

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