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Beekeeping and You
Sep 27, 2011



Not dry, boring lawsuits, of course, but the stupid idiots trying to get away with crime lawsuits, or just interesting ones. Sovereign citizen posts are also fun.

https://www.reddit.com/r/bestoflegaladvice This is a goldmine of people trying to get advice from the internet, and it backfiring spectacularly.

https://np.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/4cbavd/unjust_situation_in_florida_my_friend_got_denied/

quote:

So my friend needs help but I don't know what to do or how to help. Basically the situation is that he tried to get custody of his kid from his ex-girlfriend. She won the lottery last year but she wouldn't help him out when he needed so he thought if he got custody she would have to pay him child support.
But instead he got denied custody and isn't allowed to see his kid at all or even pick up his kid from school when his kid starts school this fall. He also got told he has to pay her 2 yrs worth of back child support and child support going forward even though she's never asked for child support or for him to be involved ever. How can they do this if she never tried to get him involved? It's unjust that he will go bankrupt when she won the lottery and has lots of money. Can he appeal this or something? He's real worried and I want to help him out.

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gamingCaffeinator
Sep 6, 2010

I shall sing you the song of my people.
This is the dumbest one I've seen.

Some dickbag decided that Starbucks underfills their lattes because 'the volume of the foam doesn't count', and he is now suing.

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


Grimey Drawer

gamingCaffeinator posted:

This is the dumbest one I've seen.

Some dickbag decided that Starbucks underfills their lattes because 'the volume of the foam doesn't count', and he is now suing.

This could have long term ramifications in the future case of "these cereal boxes are only like 1/3 full"

Judge Schnoopy
Nov 2, 2005

dont even TRY it, pal

Aesop Poprock posted:

This could have long term ramifications in the future case of "these cereal boxes are only like 1/3 full"

Except cereal boxes print their actual weight of product (similar to chips, etc) so they're upfront with you that the box is 1/3 full. Good luck with that case.

The Starbucks one is idiotic because he's clearly confused "Fl Oz" with "Oz", thinking that since the foam is lighter weight it shouldn't count against his 8 fl. oz drink.

E; From the Schadenfreude thread:

Canuckistan posted:

That Awesome Time I Was Sued for Two Billion Dollars

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSWqx8goqSY

From Defcon 17, the owner of textfiles.com talks about getting sued by a sovereign citizen for 2 billion dollars. Entertaining and informative!

Judge Schnoopy has a new favorite as of 18:19 on Mar 29, 2016

stringless
Dec 28, 2005

keyboard ⌨️​ :clint: cowboy

anyone tempted to bring up McDonald's Coffee Lady should learn better in the process of picking a link.

Drone_Fragger
May 9, 2007


gamingCaffeinator posted:

This is the dumbest one I've seen.

Some dickbag decided that Starbucks underfills their lattes because 'the volume of the foam doesn't count', and he is now suing.

It basically boils down to what starbucks is selling, fluid or volume of a fluid. He's not actually completely wrong about it.

What he is wrong about is thinking that somehow buying a coffee from starbucks is a good idea when their coffee is not only trash but they don't pay taxes :toot:

Drone_Fragger has a new favorite as of 18:45 on Mar 29, 2016

Judge Schnoopy
Nov 2, 2005

dont even TRY it, pal

Drone_Fragger posted:

It basically boils down to what starbucks is selling, fluid or volume of a fluid. He's not actually completely wrong about it.

What he is wrong about is thinking that somehow buying a coffee from starbucks is a good idea when their coffee is not only trash but they don't pay taxes :toot:

It's also hilarious that the claim is Starbucks is saving millions!!! of dollars by skimping on a few ounces of coffee. They still haven't internalized that their $5 coffee only costs Starbucks $0.40 to make. If they cut 25% of the coffee out, Starbucks isn't saving themselves $1.25 per cup, they're saving 10 cents per cup.

"'I think I spend about $70 a week here (Starbucks),' said Dylan Howard of Moorhead (the plaintiff)."
:allears:

Fritz Coldcockin
Nov 7, 2005
I don't know if it counts as a lawsuit because I'm not sure it ever went to court, but is Curtis Got Slapped By A White Teacher a valid response?

Because it should be.

The TLDR for those of you that have never heard of it: insane sovereign citizen mom's kid gets smacked in the face by a teacher, so she writes a crazy 40-page manifesto to the school, the state, and to the feds (specifically President Obama) full of demands, declarations, threats, and just reams of complete loving insanity.

Fritz Coldcockin has a new favorite as of 20:34 on Mar 29, 2016

Beekeeping and You
Sep 27, 2011



Alter Ego posted:

I don't know if it counts as a lawsuit because I'm not sure it ever went to court, but is Curtis Got Slapped By A White Teacher a valid response?

Because it should be.

The TLDR for those of you that have never heard of it: insane sovereign citizen mom's kid gets smacked in the face by a teacher, so she writes a crazy 40-page manifesto to the school, the state, and to the feds (specifically President Obama) full of demands, declarations, threats, and just reams of complete loving insanity.

Any insane documents that the government is forced to look at is fine for the sake of this thread, because I don't want to limit the schadenfreude

Leave
Feb 7, 2012

Taking the term "Koopaling" to a whole new level since 2016.
Can someone explain what a sovereign citizen is? From how I get it, they seem to think they'll be immune to the law, not pay taxes and still live with all the benefits of being a regular citizen.

Judge Schnoopy
Nov 2, 2005

dont even TRY it, pal

Leavemywife posted:

Can someone explain what a sovereign citizen is? From how I get it, they seem to think they'll be immune to the law, not pay taxes and still live with all the benefits of being a regular citizen.

They distinguish between their federal entity (a name with a bunch of documentation attached to it) and their physical self (their person), and claim that by acting as their physical self they are immune to most procedures and laws as those laws are enforced on their entity. They are, however, entitled to federal benefits (such as legal protection, bill of rights, so forth) that are provided to their entity.

It's a bunch of *top secret* logic loops that they believe were installed as a back door by Illuminati or Freemasons or Lizard People to allow themselves freedom above the system. They think that by invoking this logic they too can be above the system, a sovereign citizen.

Fritz Coldcockin
Nov 7, 2005

Leavemywife posted:

Can someone explain what a sovereign citizen is? From how I get it, they seem to think they'll be immune to the law, not pay taxes and still live with all the benefits of being a regular citizen.

Somebody who thinks that a flag with a gold fringe means that the building it's in operates under maritime law.

NoEyedSquareGuy
Mar 16, 2009

Just because Liquor's dead, doesn't mean you can just roll this bitch all over town with "The Freedoms."


Sestze
Jun 6, 2004



Cybernetic Crumb

Judge Schnoopy posted:

They distinguish between their federal entity (a name with a bunch of documentation attached to it) and their physical self (their person), and claim that by acting as their physical self they are immune to most procedures and laws as those laws are enforced on their entity. They are, however, entitled to federal benefits (such as legal protection, bill of rights, so forth) that are provided to their entity.

It's a bunch of *top secret* logic loops that they believe were installed as a back door by Illuminati or Freemasons or Lizard People to allow themselves freedom above the system. They think that by invoking this logic they too can be above the system, a sovereign citizen.
According to sovereign citizen logic, there also exists a $200,000 bond that every citizen has given at birth that can be invoked in the case of outstanding personal debt or litigation.

Judge Schnoopy
Nov 2, 2005

dont even TRY it, pal

Sestze posted:

According to sovereign citizen logic, there also exists a $200,000 bond that every citizen has given at birth that can be invoked in the case of outstanding personal debt or litigation.

Now is that personal debt to their entity or to their person? More than 1 layer deep the whole thing really starts falling apart.

Capitalization is also extremely important. Birth certificates contain all caps, so PHILLIP BE BANGIN identifies the legal entity that is part of the federal government, is given a social security number, and is the instrument against which all litigation is processed. Phillip B. Bangin identifies the physical person, but the person is not bound to that name, it's merely for the ease of communication and social representation.

Sestze
Jun 6, 2004



Cybernetic Crumb

Judge Schnoopy posted:

Now is that personal debt to their entity or to their person? More than 1 layer deep the whole thing really starts falling apart.

Capitalization is also extremely important. Birth certificates contain all caps, so PHILLIP BE BANGIN identifies the legal entity that is part of the federal government, is given a social security number, and is the instrument against which all litigation is processed. Phillip B. Bangin identifies the physical person, but the person is not bound to that name, it's merely for the ease of communication and social representation.
I often wonder what it'd be like to emulate a crazy person. I'd love to come up with alternative ways to interpret day-to-day activities under the banner of sovereign citizenry.

"I'm at the DMV with my dog, which they don't allow dogs unless for medical reasons. I'll take a video of myself with my dog, talking constantly to my dog, so that the government knows that this dog is special and is providing me emotional comfort in these trying times."

Keru
Aug 2, 2004

'n suddenly there was a terrible roar all around us 'n the sky was full of what looked like 'uge bats, all swooping 'n screeching 'n divin' around the ute.

Alter Ego posted:

Somebody who thinks that a flag with a gold fringe means that the building it's in operates under maritime law.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSO9OFJNMBA

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



Leavemywife posted:

Can someone explain what a sovereign citizen is? From how I get it, they seem to think they'll be immune to the law, not pay taxes and still live with all the benefits of being a regular citizen.

Basically Dale Gribble.

KaiserSchnitzel
Feb 23, 2003

Hey baby I think we Havel lot in common

That was the first one that sprang to mind. So much more accessible than the sovereign citizen nonsense and proof that lawyers can have a sense of humor. As an attorney I really don't want to comment on the cases that seem really egregiously stupid today, but between C&D letters like this and what Donald Trump's attorney shits out daily there is plenty of ammunition for hilarity.

The rich white girl that actually got job offers and sued her law school for misrepresentation of post-grad employment stats is now over, so that's done. The "Affluenza" idiot is now universally determined to be just a douche wrapped in Daddy's Franklins, The So. Baptist moron that refused to issue gay marriage licenses is old news, and I suppose that everyone has hears about the moron occupying that federal building out in Oregon suing Satan...wait; you haven't? Well, here you go! http://loweringthebar.net/2016/02/oregon-occupier-devil-suit.html


This one strikes close to home for me: https://popehat.com/2016/02/03/marc-randazza-batman-porn/

And for those that bring up the McDonalds hot coffee lawsuit...that one was pretty legit , to be honest.

Honestly, I have to say that ridiculous legal news is worth looking up even if you are not an attorney. You can learn a lot about how things actually get to the point where they subjectively seem ludicrous, and it will start to make a lot more sense to you. You'll also stop watching any news related to court cases, because the media at-large is the worst place to try to glean understanding of the actual legal issues. You can go beyond Trayvon, OJ, and Casey and skip right to some probably reasonable guy just trying to take the train home without having all the suburban idiots yelling into their cell phones all around him: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-cell-phone-jamming-red-line-20160309-story.html

Oh, and one last thing: just google Prenda. Enjoy.

Edit:

FYI, this is why sovereign citizen idiots are subject to as much scorn as they are:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJ4c5atUjsE

KaiserSchnitzel has a new favorite as of 06:59 on Mar 30, 2016

treasured8elief
Jul 25, 2011

Salad Prong

Beekeeping and You posted:

Any insane documents that the government is forced to look at is fine for the sake of this thread, because I don't want to limit the schadenfreude
My favorite was a plaintiff's notice To F*ck This Court and Everything that it Stands For.


abovethelaw.com link

BrigadierSensible
Feb 16, 2012

I've got a pocket full of cheese🧀, and a garden full of trees🌴.

I don't know the exact details, and can't be arsed looking for them:

But there was the case where an old retired judge sued a Korean Laundry place for burning his suit pants for a bajillion dollars in damages. His argument was they had a sign that said "satisfaction guaranteed", and that he wasn't satisfied.

The case went to court and went through several appeal processes, (I think), with the judges knowing that it was spurious, but having to follow the exact letter of the law and every bullshit little procedure because the plaintiff was a retired judge that knew the law.

He brought in several nonsensical witnesses, including if I remember rightly, an old woman who had nothing to do with the incident but instead just complained about the holocaust.

The family that ran the laundry was nearly bankrupted by all the legal fees, and court costs etc, and had to rely on donations to even eat and pay rent.

I dunno how it ended.

A Festivus Miracle
Dec 19, 2012

I have come to discourse on the profound inequities of the American political system.

Pearson vs Chung. The lawsuit featured stupidity like a 60 something year old man crying over a lost pair of pants, a witness complaing about the holocaust, and even as the inspiration for an episode of Law & Order. After the case got national media attention, some lawyers stepped forth to represents the Chungs per bono, and donations covered the legal costs they had earlier incurred.

It ultimately ended with the case being ruled in favor of the Dry cleaners, Pearson being fined something like 12k in his divorce proceedings from his wife, his term as a sitting judge not being extended (yes, a sitting judge sued someone for an absurd sum of money over a pair of pants), and generally being lampooned in the media. He appealed, lost, appealed again, lost. He also sued the Office of Administrative Hearings for wrongful termination (in relation to not having his term as judge extended), which was thrown out.

So yeah. A sitting judge ruined his career over a pair of pants. :psyduck:

TheDon01
Mar 8, 2009


FFT posted:

anyone tempted to bring up McDonald's Coffee Lady should learn better in the process of picking a link.

Yeah, gotta admit I was one of those folks years ago thinking "jeez thats dumb, of course coffee is hot. What a dummy" then a buddy I said that to was like "woah dude no, here look at the pictures."

They're horrific, that lady deserved every penny she got.

Postal Parcel
Aug 2, 2013
All of you lieberals siding with the money grubbing geezer stealing from a poor ol' multinational corporation. This is why everyone else is beating us! Grow a pair and read through the lines. Hot coffee was just a distraction from hotter coffee(9/11) Learn the truth!

Anyway, after you've learned the truth, have a gander at ye olde "[Jonathon Lee Riches] sues everyone"
http://citypaper.net/articles/2006-04-13/NC_FP_Lawsuit.pdf

treasured8elief
Jul 25, 2011

Salad Prong

Postal Parcel posted:

All of you lieberals siding with the money grubbing geezer stealing from a poor ol' multinational corporation. This is why everyone else is beating us! Grow a pair and read through the lines. Hot coffee was just a distraction from hotter coffee(9/11) Learn the truth!

Anyway, after you've learned the truth, have a gander at ye olde "[Jonathon Lee Riches] sues everyone"
http://citypaper.net/articles/2006-04-13/NC_FP_Lawsuit.pdf



Oh my god, the list really keeps going for 57 pages

Gervasius
Nov 2, 2010



Grimey Drawer
He sued Warsaw Pact, NSDAP, Plato and Christopher Reeve's widow :wtc:

e: Jesus Christ this keeps going.

Gervasius has a new favorite as of 10:24 on Mar 30, 2016

BrigadierSensible
Feb 16, 2012

I've got a pocket full of cheese🧀, and a garden full of trees🌴.

Gervasius posted:

He sued Warsaw Pact, NSDAP, Plato and Christopher Reeve's widow :wtc:

e: Jesus Christ this keeps going.



I'm more concerned that he chose to sue Weird Al Yankovic.

The man is clearly a monster.

Kafka Syrup
Apr 29, 2009
The notorious case of R v David Allan Baldwin [2012] Unreported, before the Honourable and Incredibly Patient Daubney J.

I haven't had the pleasure of appearing before Justice Daubney, but I've read enough of the man's cases to know that he enjoys a good laugh in judgements and his Courtrooms is well-regarded in the community, hell he's been known to spout poetry and theatre in Court before. But sometimes even the most lighthearted of our learned Justices can be pushed a little far.

I also recommend reading The Justinian for all your Australian legal news, because Christ knows the Reports are dull as custard.

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


Grimey Drawer

tentative8e8op posted:

Oh my god, the list really keeps going for 57 pages



How do you sue a generic gay pride parade?

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

TheDon01 posted:

Yeah, gotta admit I was one of those folks years ago thinking "jeez thats dumb, of course coffee is hot. What a dummy" then a buddy I said that to was like "woah dude no, here look at the pictures."

They're horrific, that lady deserved every penny she got.

People just heard the part where McDonalds was required to put "Coffee Hot" on the cups or something, which is pretty dumb and doesn't help the issue of them serving coffee hot enough to fuse skin anyway.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

got those happy feet

Aphrodite posted:

People just heard the part where McDonalds was required to put "Coffee Hot" on the cups or something, which is pretty dumb and doesn't help the issue of them serving coffee hot enough to fuse skin anyway.

The kicker for me was the internal memo where they explicitly said they knew they had a responsibility to do something but it'd be cheaper to pay settlements than update training manuals, etc.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Canuckistan posted:

That Awesome Time I Was Sued for Two Billion Dollars

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSWqx8goqSY

From Defcon 17, the owner of textfiles.com talks about getting sued by a sovereign citizen for 2 billion dollars. Entertaining and informative!

Lonnie G. Schmidt writes the date as “October 18, 2001 A.D.

What a a dumbass. Anno Domini is a prefix, not a suffix.

im pooping!
Nov 17, 2006


Platystemon posted:

Lonnie G. Schmidt writes the date as “October 18, 2001 A.D.

What a a dumbass. Anno Domini is a prefix, not a suffix.

I'm a notary and you would be surprised the number of times I've seen the distinction that papers are signed this year AD. The papers are always a form letter from legalzoom and it probably came about when some bitch was left out of a will and challenged the validity of a document based on not being clear if the paper was forged because it is very unlikely the thing was signed 4000 years ago. Then again I'm a notary and not a lawyer.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
https://www.gofundme.com/47uexn9c

TLDR Idiot game developers try to raise money to file a lawsuit against a fat English video game critic because he laughs at their terrible games so they think he's costing them millions of dollars in lost sales.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

im pooping! posted:

I'm a notary and you would be surprised the number of times I've seen the distinction that papers are signed this year AD. The papers are always a form letter from legalzoom and it probably came about when some bitch was left out of a will and challenged the validity of a document based on not being clear if the paper was forged because it is very unlikely the thing was signed 4000 years ago. Then again I'm a notary and not a lawyer.

Wouldn’t it be a good thing to have the other party making dumb arguments like that?

Beekeeping and You
Sep 27, 2011



Arcsquad12 posted:

https://www.gofundme.com/47uexn9c

TLDR Idiot game developers try to raise money to file a lawsuit against a fat English video game critic because he laughs at their terrible games so they think he's costing them millions of dollars in lost sales.

Haha holy gently caress, crowdfunding a lawsuit like that is the dumbest idea I've seen in a while

Prenton
Feb 17, 2011

Ner nerr-nerrr ner

quote:

Arkell v. Pressdram (1971) [unreported]

Solicitor (Goodman Derrick & Co.):

We act for Mr Arkell who is Retail Credit Manager of Granada TV Rental Ltd. His attention has been drawn to an article appearing in the issue of Private Eye dated 9th April 1971 on page 4. The statements made about Mr Arkell are entirely untrue and clearly highly defamatory. We are therefore instructed to require from you immediately your proposals for dealing with the matter. Mr Arkell's first concern is that there should be a full retraction at the earliest possible date in Private Eye and he will also want his costs paid. His attitude to damages will be governed by the nature of your reply.

Private Eye:

We acknowledge your letter of 29th April referring to Mr J. Arkell. We note that Mr Arkell's attitude to damages will be governed by the nature of our reply and would therefore be grateful if you would inform us what his attitude to damages would be, were he to learn that the nature of our reply is as follows: gently caress off.

[No further reply]

Roro
Oct 9, 2012

HOO'S HEAD GOES ALL THE WAY AROUND?

Beekeeping and You posted:

Haha holy gently caress, crowdfunding a lawsuit like that is the dumbest idea I've seen in a while

There's a guy in the coments who's using the opportunity to air his grievances about the Jim guy being sued and it's hilarious.

C.M. Kruger
Oct 28, 2013
This one came up in the OSHA thread:
http://loweringthebar.net/2016/03/has-your-boss-ever.html

quote:

The association contended Mr. Bailey was fired for insubordination, suggesting he was too sensitive and was unable to “forgive and forget” certain conduct by his supervisor, Mr. English. Mr. Bailey’s position, however, was that he did not expect to be fired, and that it was unfair to fire him, for complaining about what Mr. English referred to as “pranks” but the ALJ referred to as, for example, “defecating into co-workers’ lunches.”

To be fair, there does not appear to have been testimony that English defecated directly into anyone’s lunch. He testified, rather, that he had “put his own feces into a bag and put the bag into a co-worker’s lunch.” So there was a bag. I mean, he’s not a total barbarian. On the other hand, there was no bag involved when, as he also testified, he once “sat on a catwalk and defecated toward a co-worker in the ditch below him.” (I assume “toward” means his aim was off, thankfully.)

You may be surprised to learn that these are arguably not the worst things this guy did.

Mr. English testified that he “liked a workplace to be fun,” which is why he did these “pranks.” And, sure, it’s fun to be defecated at, but some of this stuff seems questionable. Like, shooting people. English did not use actual firearms, at least, but he did admit he made a “potato gun” out of PVC pipe and would shoot golf balls and other items out of it at work. He testified “that he never shot the gun toward co-workers, and he did not believe that he shot the gun toward areas where coworkers were working.” But Bailey testified he had done that, and the judge found Bailey’s account more credible (on everything) than English’s. English also conceded that he did in fact shoot co-workers with plastic BBs. He did not recall shooting Bailey, but again Bailey testified otherwise. But hey, all in good fun, the shooting. Team-building exercise. Esprit de corps. That’s what it’s all about, my friends. Same with the bombs.

The what?

The bombs.

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canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you
http://abovethelaw.com/2014/12/lawyer-with-3-harvard-degrees-loses-his-mind-over-4-chinese-food-overcharge/

Harvard Law rear end in a top hat threatens to sue a family owned Chinese restaurant with two locations over a $4 discrepancy between the outdated online menu prices and what he was actually charged. Backs down when publicly shamed on the internet (and has probably learned nothing)

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