Zenithe posted:

ScoMo is on 7 30 tonight apparently

Anidav posted:

OH so this is the election winning positioning they are going for.
Blame Labah Volume XIV

SeekOtherCandidate posted:

why don't you approve a coal mine about it

Scylo posted:

Does Sam dastyari realise he was in government a couple of years ago, this poo poo didn't start yesterday

Cartoon posted:

Why are we looking for signs of coherent strategy in the ALP? Post Julia Gillard there have been sod all signs of any/one. It will take the worst government in the history of this nation since the invasion for the ALP to return to minority government. It has been repeatedly noted that this thread delivers better quality strategy advice for the ALP than the entire ALP apparatus. That makes party hacks, like the eternally butt hurt EvilEmo, all the more pathetic for ragging on the people who actually have a clue what's going wrong. I'm not talking about the advocating of the wholesale adoption of Greens policies by the ALP, this is the simple day to day poo poo that the ALP appear to remain utterly clueless about.

Failed YL? That's a complete tautology. What's the standard for a pass btw? Oh sorry I forgot incoherence is the new Red in the ALP.

Frogmanv2 posted:

Actually, a significant portion of the Australian public agree with the greens on specific policies, when they are told about them. They just dont vote for the greens because of reasons.

Recoome posted:

What is the Labor Party's stance on Safe Schools?

Frogmanv2 posted:

The good thing about facts is that they are true whether you believe them or not.

Anidav posted:

Well yeah, most of the public agrees with Green policy but is generally unaware that it is Green policy because the ALP and the Media block any coverage and prop up the stereotype of those "loony greens want us to live in caves"

Recoome posted:

Thats funny because the QLD ALP government has not pledged to continue to fund it beyond 2017, despite approving the actual destruction of our reef.

So like does the ALP actually support Safe Schools as a matter of principle, or to appear "progressive" but don't actually have the cojones to put their money where their mouth is.

Jumpingmanjim posted:

https://twitter.com/mrjoeaston/status/717632590719528960

Recoome posted:

Nah dude they haven't responded about it yet, but seeing as they've had ample opportunity by now to make ~any~ kind of comment I think they are waiting for the whole thing to blow over.

We actually had a Federal Labor MP give a spiel about his experience being gay and how Federal Labor supports Safe Schools but then ran away as the tough "Well how about the QLD Govt?" question, which is fair enough he's not a state politician but it's pretty great none the less.

I mean at least you know where the Greens and the LNP stand on this issue, whereas the ALP are in the weird limbo zone where they are destroying the environment whilst still causing uncertaintly for LGBTIQ kids.

Anidav posted:

QLD Labor is a mess because Beattie set in stone a path whereby they must be in bed with QLD mining or else get hosed by the North in the next election.

Recoome posted:

I thought ALP were progressive but here we are

SeekOtherCandidate posted:

wow here i was expecting you to put in the standard labor online hack effort but drat here you are writing off a state that less than two years ago the left were calling the jewel in their crown and the apparent key to ~finally~ getting national control again

and here we are

Grouchio posted:

Is there a good reason why the Greens have so little popular support? Is Australia just generally more conservative?

asio posted:

Ok so first of all LC is right, qld best state and the north is the best. All you southern fuckers can gently caress up about your jealousy wank.

And you only have to look at one thing and everything else falls into place: donations. Alp looks after who can pay them, that's the start and the end of the whole argument.

The adani mine is going to kill a zillion tourism/hospitality jobs. Due to demarcation agreements the union responsible for these workers(united voice) can't campaign against the mine because it's on AWU turf. They (literally the people working in the office) like to think of themselves as "labor left", "green friendly", "human", but they've been cowed by big money. The 1500 mining jobs, at the cost of the entire qld tourism industry, has government approval because awu has more money than uv.

I'm just a hick queenslander whose only markerable skills are cow-tipping and smoking weed so this is entirely restricted to qld, glad to hear fed alp doesn't take dodgy donations that influence their decisions (aka corruption).

SeekOtherCandidate posted:

all of those labor 'left' people cheering about the left getting a majority of queensland and this heralding a massive change in the national balance of power and that the left would get control this year, you'll see, it won't be like the last thirty times we've said that.... all of that must have just been my imagination, then.

Cleretic posted:

I'm not certain, but I believe that the Greens don't take organizational donations. My boss can make an individual donation to the Greens, but he couldn't make one on behalf of our whole company. I don't know how unions work with it, but I think it's the same thing, although there's other ways they can show support.

And it's not like the Greens are facing bidding wars like that anyway.

asio posted:

can't campaign against the mine because it's on AWU turf.

asio posted:

Ok so lets make this simple:
Qld needs tourism to live
This mine will kill the reef which is most of where our tourism money comes from.
More jobs lost than gained as a result.

Qld Greens don't take corporate donations. The alp, however, does, e.g. that $40k from Macquarie bank, who negotiated the deal between mine and government. (And also ran one of their former employees for lord mayor)

This is why the alp approved the mine, despite the fact it is anti-worker. Are you still not understanding how corruption works?

Outside seq is awu territory, so uv can't go against awu's interests. Again, $ working as the real power.

SeekOtherCandidate posted:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...67a957d4bab051b

loving hell it's not difficult

SeekOtherCandidate posted:

... this heralding a massive change in the national balance of power and that the left would get control this year, you'll see, it won't be like the last thirty times we've said that....

SeekOtherCandidate posted:

all of that must have just been my imagination, then.

Anidav posted:

Fairfax is iirc.

adamantium|wang posted:

The Lord Bude posted:

New Fairfax Ipsos poll. 50% 2pp.

ewe2 posted:

It's not going to go away just because the Tories won a vote, if that's what you mean.

But it's true, we do vote out, not in. Making that choice difficult has always been the task here, but I think the ability to do it has degraded greatly in both major parties. We're going to have a big scare campaign the minute the Budget hits and it's the same old poo poo, the Libs have no other weapons than to demonize and hope they scrape over the line. And I think the public will hate it, but I don't know how they'll vote.

The Narrator posted:

If Turnbull takes a win, how long does Shorten survive as opposition leader? Alternatively, if Turnbull loses outright (not likely imo, I would think a hung parliament is more on the cards if it's anything other than an outright win), would that be enough for the Liberal Right to start getting antsy about his usefulness?

I feel like there's a bit of a toxic political climate at the moment - in the last six years we've had 4 different people in 5 stints as PM, and 3 of the last 4 changes of PM have come about as a result of party shenanigans. Leadership changes quickly turn into declining polls, which turn into another leadership change. In the parties and (imo) for the voters, there's a crisis of confidence in the top job.

Magog posted:

THE UNIONS ARE COMING! THE UNIONS ARE COMING!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpuokBQ8sXQ

hooman posted:

That ice dealer is surprisingly well groomed.

Anidav posted:

Hey, is it legal to use hearing footage in political ads?

Ket posted:

I got called by the Greens and as a result am doing door knocking this Sunday (but I just bought Fallout 4 last Sunday and this will cut into my playing time ).
I also signed up for flyer drops one day and helping out at the booth on election day, so I think the guy in the phone was happy he called me!

Jumpingmanjim posted:

If Zika is on Nauru it's only a matter of time til it reaches Queensland.

Jumpingmanjim posted:

It's not like the people here aren't all hideously deformed anyway.