FruitNYogurtParfait posted:

his voice and mannerisms annoy me, im not going to link the fanfest presentation to make you exert a little effort in paining yourself

FruitNYogurtParfait posted:

is this where you decided you'd run away to when querns told you to gently caress off

FruitNYogurtParfait posted:

oh boy we got some sweet rear end chatlog drama

guess that answers my question though

Glory of Arioch posted:

abigserve posted:

I'm guessing you are one of those guys who talks incessantly about their problems to complete strangers until they start mercilessly taking the piss to get you to gently caress off. Unless someone doxxed you and discovered the girlfriend thing which would be lovely but I doubt it.

Ynglaur posted:

DBRB also has a habit of getting unexpected capital kills. It's kind of random, though: he'll say he wants to do a short roam and you end up bumping a carrier out of some POS in the middle of nowhere, or you'll be told of green fields full of hull-tanked dreads with no subcap support only to find yourself shooting POS mods.

Eonwe posted:

i dont know if I want to know what this is a reference to

Batts posted:

Well, I got those 10 days to come back. The horn of goondor has been sounded

Lets see how this goes.

Unfunny Poster posted:

Where did you pull any of that out from?

That Rorqual was the alt of a guy whose main had already left Horde for Spaceship Samurai on their own. The character ended up leaving Horde after sure but they weren't kicked for it, especially given they still fly and FC stuff with Horde. There's a pretty short list of people who have gotten kicked and it's mostly awoxers or a creepy fucks like the guy who stalked/harassed someone at Fanfest & Vegas.

Daruna posted:

Are the CFC the only ones allowed to have newbie groups then? Us elitePVP can't do it because we automatically exploit the free labour of hapless noobs?

Please.


There's a reason we (PL) don't go out of our way to defend Horde sov, and that's because hardship builds character. Yes it's cliche and silly as gently caress to say this about a videogame, or anything really, but Horde has had at least 3 separate sovnull homes, and has either been driven out or hilariously rused the hegemony of the day, but at the end of it all, Horde members get to experience the pros (and cons) of sovnull without turning out like all of you bloated and useless wastes of virtual space.

Horde members who join in a sovnull phase are regularly told to - and regularly experience - expect to lose the space they are currently living in, and act accordingly. They're perfectly free to ignore the warnings, but the ones who are smart and realize what Horde is all about are the ones who are set up for success, and the ones most likely to fit into Waffles or PL proper by virtue of Getting It.

Also Horde's at like 5500 members or something ridiculous Gobbins and the team must be doing something right

Daruna posted:

Are the CFC the only ones allowed to have newbie groups then? Us elitePVP can't do it because we automatically exploit the free labour of hapless noobs?

Please.


There's a reason we (PL) don't go out of our way to defend Horde sov, and that's because hardship builds character. Yes it's cliche and silly as gently caress to say this about a videogame, or anything really, but Horde has had at least 3 separate sovnull homes, and has either been driven out or hilariously rused the hegemony of the day, but at the end of it all, Horde members get to experience the pros (and cons) of sovnull without turning out like all of you bloated and useless wastes of virtual space.

Horde members who join in a sovnull phase are regularly told to - and regularly experience - expect to lose the space they are currently living in, and act accordingly. They're perfectly free to ignore the warnings, but the ones who are smart and realize what Horde is all about are the ones who are set up for success, and the ones most likely to fit into Waffles or PL proper by virtue of Getting It.

Also Horde's at like 5500 members or something ridiculous Gobbins and the team must be doing something right

vyst posted:

I disagree. The SA posts requirement was to halt the ability to people to pay 10bux and immediately join. Anyone that says otherwise is fooling themselves. It's basically an effort gate. It's not the same as "having to know someone" to join a spaceguild. I don't consider effort gating to be elitism as you have no social barriers to entry. I ran the auth team for 3 years. Do you honestly think I analyzed all 100+ posts people did? I checked the count, and if they shotgun shitposted. That's it.

I'm not saying what PL does is wrong. They have Sniggwaffe to some extent and PH for their newbies. But it's still a form of elitism all the same. There's also an argument to be made that PL has found a lot of it's success via their recruitment strategy. The quintessential quality vs quantity scenario.

Unfunny Poster posted:

True. I probably shouldn't have included the last part but I also don't get why people get so worked up they're frothing at the mouth bitching and moaning about how another group does things differently.


Fanfest is still in Iceland. CCP took over running EVE Vegas which is usually in October. There's EVE Down Under which is ran by the bogan players.

Daruna posted:

This "feudal" thing you're harping on about only seems to be an issue to you and yours. Horde doesn't give a poo poo, mainly because they do their own thing on their own time. To say we don't care about them is hilarious and dumb. You're dumb. Stop it.

Daruna posted:

Because you're acting like it's the end times when it isn't.

Daruna posted:

What can I say? I tend to lose my patience when dealing with people with the IQ of a speedbump.

Kimsemus posted:

You've made a lot of effort posts about PL which are wrong, you've made a lot of effort posts about MBC that are wrong, and you're too stupid to just listen when multiple people try and tell you the correct thing. So that's probably why people are treating you like an idiot.

Daruna posted:

I made posts explaining the error in your perception and it failed to soak into that mush you call a brain so I'm not gonna waste the energy anymore friend

Endie posted:

Yeah In the last couple of weeks I've had about 12 or 14 really good Eve players (judging by their kbs and in some cases what I know of them) approach me who didn't have vouches, and whom I had to advise not to apply. If PL recruited on just ability criteria then they'd mostly be in. But they didn't have vouches, so a couple of them were probably spies, maybe another couple would have been prone to starting poo poo in alliance irc or sulking when someone shouted at them for anchoring on the FC in an inty or something like that. The vouch isn't "hey this guy is good at eve" it is "hey this guy is good company and won't make movie night a misery."

Daruna posted:

https://www.pandemic-legion.pl/forums/index.php?/topic/3158-dj-leadboy/

He also proved very useful in Horde as a director.

SperginMcBadposter posted:

A better example would have been some of the gsf SIGs like reavers and whatever they call their blops group now. Those require vouches from insiders and that kind of thing.

Daruna posted:

Endie posted:

A newbie would have no fun in PL - hi new guy we're flying proteuses in this fleet but it's ok if you want to just fly a recon - but would have a whale of a time in PH, so it would be very unfair to them to channel them towards the former.

We've got a guy right now who we know how is really chill and trustworthy but who would have no fun in PL because he couldn't fly any - any - of the doctrine ships. So he is in PH to have fun and learn to play Eve and stuff but is in our irc corp channel and a few guys fly with him a bit on quiet days. Several of us have alts in PH anyway since it's a very different form of Eve with different goals and sometimes you want that change of pace.

Socially he's effectively in corp but he gets broadcasts for fleets that he can actually have fun on. That said, a few of the guys in Bat that came with us were pretty low skill-points, but they were mates and cool and liked playing Eve so along they came.

Kimsemus posted:

I always found the argument that X alliance is superior to Y alliance because of recruitment standards pretty stupid.

It's stupid because different alliances are going to offer different players different things, or in the case of goonwaffe, most of the things for people that want that, or in the case of PL, a few things that people want, you just have to have the skill and resources for it. When I was in H A V O C before mannie joined BDCI and they left for PL I didn't want to go, and when I applied to NCDOT instead in like 2011 or whatever it was, I made a conscious choice. Not because NCDOT was superior to PL, they just did more of the things I wanted, namely taking and holding sov and doing that kind of management.

I liked Goonwaffe because the array of groups and activities was almost bewildering so I had many options, and I like Shadow Cartel now because now that I've had my null fix it's fun to be the "lowsec elite" group of players.

I don't think one alliance is superior to the other because that's all completely relative to what you want.

But the argument that a group like goons is better just because they take more people or have lower recruitment requirements or cater to a wider base alone is loving stupid and is the argument of a stupid person. It's better to say, "I think goonwaffe is better because I like doing XYZ and they do XYZ, PL does ABC but I don't like ABC but other people might."

There are plenty of goons who play EVE who post in this thread who aren't in goons for this reason.

Kimsemus posted:

Your 10 or so effort posts about the superiority of your alliance mostly.

Endie posted:

Yeah, other people suggested doing it with enforcing pap links for waffe or whatever but I thought - and still think - that it needs some cultural figure who is active, has tons of time and ideally who can FC to get people all enthused by leading from the front, logging-in etc. Durr was the example I had in mind but PL also have much the same gig going on, particularly with Snigg.

Kimsemus posted:

There is a difference between someone who is willing to lose endless interceptor fleets in the wrong region without burning out, and someone who actually has the mental capacity and charisma to lead an alliance to victory.

DBRB isn't your George Washington, he's more like putting the autistic guy in charge that makes those Sonic and Pikachi fanfics.

Kimsemus posted:

Starting to agree with everyone else in this thread who has called you stupid.

In fact, no I completely agree with them.

kiresays posted:

Ok he's defending boat, confirmed for trolling

vyst posted:

AAPsel is also a fuckin idiot that doesn't speak for us. He's not percelus bad but he's close.

Unfunny Poster posted:

Yeah I can see the issue with some people viewing Horde as a "second tier" crew but in general that's just now how the relationship works out in practice.

objectively bad posted:

You could come back to bos percelus we're newbie friendly

Daruna posted:

debunking or otherwise debating false information about their organizations? Because I was unaware of this rule, if I am breaking it please tell me.