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get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

Henchman of Santa posted:

You say this like Girls isn't a critical darling that's gone on for five years. Allen Gregory was an abject failure all around. It ran for 7 episodes.
Critics are seemingly the only people who like Girls instead of hatewatching it, and it's gotten lower ratings than most shows HBO has canned that have gone on for less than five seasons.

At the same time, it's not quite the abomination that Allen Gregory is. Have we decided whether Pacific Heat is worse?

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Party Plane Jones
Jul 1, 2007

by Reene
Fun Shoe

get that OUT of my face posted:

Critics are seemingly the only people who like Girls instead of hatewatching it, and it's gotten lower ratings than most shows HBO has canned that have gone on for less than five seasons.

Thing is HBO really isn't cancelling shows unless they're tanking so completely there's no excuse to be running them at this point. Luck got cancelled because of killing horses, and Vinyl got cancelled because of having sub-million viewers every single episode.

Rome and Carnivale these days would be the bedrocks of HBO's programming with the rating they had.

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009

CBJSprague24 posted:

You know how a main character of a show is an rear end in a top hat, but the storyline gives the rear end in a top hat some comeuppance for being said rear end in a top hat and you feel better or enjoy it?

That never happened in Allen Gregory...

I don't understand why someone would do this. That's the funny part. It's the whole point of the bit. Why would you take the comedy out of the comedy rear end in a top hat routine, what is even the point?

Jonah Hill posted:

I said, “The three of us should create an animated show together.” We knew we wanted the character to be delusional and pretentious, and we figured the only way to do that, as a main character, without the audience hating him, was to make him the most adorable 7-year-old ever. That was the ember that sparked the fire.

Oh, I guess the writers thought they'd made him endearing. Wow.

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

by VideoGames
Just rewatched the Double Deuce, holy gently caress the breadth of this show's storytelling is absurd. If there was a movie about Woodhouse (Michael Caine?) I'd never stop watching it.

Woodhouse was criminally underused to the point of suspiciously absent from this season and I really want more of him.

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die
Grimey Drawer

Bust Rodd posted:

Just rewatched the Double Deuce, holy gently caress the breadth of this show's storytelling is absurd. If there was a movie about Woodhouse (Michael Caine?) I'd never stop watching it.

Woodhouse was criminally underused to the point of suspiciously absent from this season and I really want more of him.

I've got some bad news for you

swickles
Aug 21, 2006

I guess that I don't need that though
Now you're just some QB that I used to know
I wonder if part of rolling back Archer is introducing a young Woodhouse with a new (younger) voice actor.

X_Toad
Apr 2, 2011

Bust Rodd posted:

Woodhouse was criminally underused to the point of suspiciously absent from this season and I really want more of him.
We haven't seen Woodhouse for the last two seasons. See the link above for more.

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009

swickles posted:

I wonder if part of rolling back Archer is introducing a young Woodhouse with a new (younger) voice actor.

Nah, the writer is just bored with the established setting, and besides, they're only going back in time for one season. It's anyone's guess where they'll go after Archer: Dreamland.

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

Bust Rodd posted:

Just rewatched the Double Deuce, holy gently caress the breadth of this show's storytelling is absurd.
Season 2 of Archer was one of the funniest seasons of TV that I've ever seen. "Placebo Effect" and "El Secuestro" is an incredible back-to-back.

Azhais
Feb 5, 2007
Switchblade Switcharoo

Skippy McPants posted:

Nah, the writer is just bored with the established setting, and besides, they're only going back in time for one season. It's anyone's guess where they'll go after Archer: Dreamland.

Archer: Frumentarii

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009

Azhais posted:

Archer: Frumentarii

So Archer bitching about the literal plebs and somehow being responsible for Pompeii? I could get behind that.

CBJSprague24
Dec 5, 2010

another game at nationwide arena. everybody keeps asking me if they can fuck the cannon. buddy, they don't even let me fuck it

Skippy McPants posted:

I don't understand why someone would do this. That's the funny part. It's the whole point of the bit. Why would you take the comedy out of the comedy rear end in a top hat routine, what is even the point?


Oh, I guess the writers thought they'd made him endearing. Wow.

Wow, so they made him a "cute" kid and they thought that would wash out the little bits about him somehow having hit puberty and being a monster? He blackmails the principal into a dinner date and the hopes of sex, but ":lol: he's so a-dooooooooooorable" was going to work?

I just remember the thread for the show quickly became a place which existed for the sole purpose of hatewatching.

get that OUT of my face posted:

Season 2 of Archer was one of the funniest seasons of TV that I've ever seen. "Placebo Effect" and "El Secuestro" is an incredible back-to-back.

As I said, I'm rewatching 1 right now (with 2 to come) and the show is fun, with the writing simple but remarkably memorable. Am I the only one who's thought the episodes in the last couple seasons haven't been that good?

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?
My peak for love of the show was season 5 but I can totally see why some people don't like it as much. I'm in for the character beats.

Duckbox
Sep 7, 2007

CBJSprague24 posted:

As I said, I'm rewatching 1 right now (with 2 to come) and the show is fun, with the writing simple but remarkably memorable. Am I the only one who's thought the episodes in the last couple seasons haven't been that good?



Nope. There've been definite signs of creative exhaustion and character exaggeration since Archer Vice, at least. I was noticing on a rewatch of this last season that the core mystery plot was actually pretty good, as were the episodes related to it (not sure the clown hostage scenario needed to be a two parter though), but the standalone episodes tended to be very filler-y with plots that usually turned out to be dumb and/or pointless.

The Barry episode was mostly just "hey, Barry's back!" with a few decent gags in there (I liked Mallory's escape though). The "job" that turned out to be about making cuckold porn was an obvious excuse to give the characters makeovers, but otherwise made no loving sense (why would they hire the same agency to do both jobs), featured incredibly dumb gags like Archer somehow drinking half a bottle of blue disinfectant without noticing, and is like the definitive idiot plot only vaguely excused by Cheryll's "I thought it would be funny." I think the one that made me feel most cheated was the CIA/MKULTRA stuff which had all this setup about CIA mind control and the like (the main 'joke" of which was just "the CIA did all this horrible stuff. No, really." I liked Mallory's line about the creepy Dulles brothers though.), but then got completely derailed into contrived Archer/Lana relationship drama. What a waste of a premise.

I really liked the one with the boarding school bully millionaires though, so at least there's that.

JediTalentAgent
Jun 5, 2005
Hey, look. Look, if- if you screw me on this, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine, you rat bastard!

Skippy McPants posted:

Nah, the writer is just bored with the established setting, and besides, they're only going back in time for one season. It's anyone's guess where they'll go after Archer: Dreamland.

I joked around a while back about them becoming Ghostbusters. It could be part of the gradual decay in their status from globetrotting secret agents, to attempted drug kingpins, to mere CIA contractors, to private investigators to ending up as conmen paranormal investigators working out of Krieger's fan.

Tenzarin
Jul 24, 2007
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Taco Defender
The Hollywood season felt off, and almost not even interesting.

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

I still think that last season had some of the funniest moments since Season 3, and the episode where Archer encounters an old bully from school was great. But I don't understand why they had to go for the season-long story arc, because the last three episodes didn't stick the landing for an otherwise decent season.

Party Plane Jones
Jul 1, 2007

by Reene
Fun Shoe
Back a couple pages but I've seen Brickleberry and I can say that at no point did S&P deny anything that they wanted to do. It's sort of impressive to have a (awful) 3 season show have more vulgarity than 20 years of South Park.

Party Plane Jones fucked around with this message at 14:19 on Jan 17, 2017

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

by VideoGames
I liked Brickleberry, it was funny enough for what it was, even if S1 was several rings of quality above the other two.

The Fuzzy Hulk
Nov 22, 2007

ASK ME ABOUT CROSSING THE STREAMS


I'm watching True Lies, and it honestly could be a live action Archer movie. Harry's lines are just Archer with an Arnold accent.

Harry: Ask me a question I would normally lie to.
Helen Tasker: [panicky] Are we gonna die?
Harry: Yep!
Helen Tasker: I'd say it's working.
Harry: They're gonna shoot us in the head or they gonna torture us to death or they gonna leave us here when the bomb blows up...

Helen Tasker: Have you ever killed anyone?
Harry: Yeah, but they were all bad.

Salim Abu Aziz: Do you know what this is?
Harry: This is an espresso machine.
Harry: No, no wait. It's a snow cone maker.
Harry: Is it a water heater?

Faisil: They call him the Sand Spider.
Spencer Trilby: Why?
Faisil: Probably because it sounds scary.

Harry: The code name of your assignment will be... Boris. And your code name will be...
Helen Tasker: Natasha?
Harry: No... Doris.

Lowen
Mar 16, 2007

Adorable.

The Fuzzy Hulk posted:

I'm watching True Lies, and it honestly could be a live action Archer movie. Harry's lines are just Archer with an Arnold accent.

Harry: Ask me a question I would normally lie to.
Helen Tasker: [panicky] Are we gonna die?
Harry: Yep!
Helen Tasker: I'd say it's working.
Harry: They're gonna shoot us in the head or they gonna torture us to death or they gonna leave us here when the bomb blows up...

Helen Tasker: Have you ever killed anyone?
Harry: Yeah, but they were all bad.

Salim Abu Aziz: Do you know what this is?
Harry: This is an espresso machine.
Harry: No, no wait. It's a snow cone maker.
Harry: Is it a water heater?

Faisil: They call him the Sand Spider.
Spencer Trilby: Why?
Faisil: Probably because it sounds scary.

Harry: The code name of your assignment will be... Boris. And your code name will be...
Helen Tasker: Natasha?
Harry: No... Doris.

Before I read this, I could actually remember Arnold saying these lines. But now all I can hear is H. Jon Benjamin.

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

It took me until midway through the second season to imagine Jon Benjamin's voice as something other than Coach McGuirk's on Home Movies. As good as Archer and Bob's Burgers are, I think that's still the quintessential Benjamin role. I haven't seen any of Dr. Katz, though.

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die
Grimey Drawer

get that OUT of my face posted:

It took me until midway through the second season to imagine Jon Benjamin's voice as something other than Coach McGuirk's on Home Movies. As good as Archer and Bob's Burgers are, I think that's still the quintessential Benjamin role. I haven't seen any of Dr. Katz, though.

He's also Brendan on Home Movies, which makes me think he just doesn't get asked to do anything but his standard voice.

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

PostNouveau posted:

He's also Brendan on Home Movies, which makes me think he just doesn't get asked to do anything but his standard voice.
Brendon Small voiced Brendon, HJB voiced Jason. And the Jason voice gets used when he voices Jimmy Pesto Jr. on Bob's Burgers.

He's got a recognizable voice but he's no Billy West.

Eat This Glob
Jan 14, 2008

God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. Who will wipe this blood off us? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we need to invent?

get that OUT of my face posted:

It took me until midway through the second season to imagine Jon Benjamin's voice as something other than Coach McGuirk's on Home Movies. As good as Archer and Bob's Burgers are, I think that's still the quintessential Benjamin role. I haven't seen any of Dr. Katz, though.

IMO, the quintessential Jon Benjamin role is him in "Jon Benjamin Has A Van." Seriously. Particularly the episode "Road Rage."

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die
Grimey Drawer

get that OUT of my face posted:

Brendon Small voiced Brendon, HJB voiced Jason. And the Jason voice gets used when he voices Jimmy Pesto Jr. on Bob's Burgers.

He's got a recognizable voice but he's no Billy West.

Yeah, Jason, that's it! I had no idea he did Jimmy Pesto Jr. too

counterfeitsaint
Feb 26, 2010

I'm a girl, and you're
gnomes, and it's like
what? Yikes.

The Fuzzy Hulk posted:

I'm watching True Lies, and it honestly could be a live action Archer movie. Harry's lines are just Archer with an Arnold accent.

Harry: Ask me a question I would normally lie to.
Helen Tasker: [panicky] Are we gonna die?
Harry: Yep!
Helen Tasker: I'd say it's working.
Harry: They're gonna shoot us in the head or they gonna torture us to death or they gonna leave us here when the bomb blows up...

Helen Tasker: Have you ever killed anyone?
Harry: Yeah, but they were all bad.

Salim Abu Aziz: Do you know what this is?
Harry: This is an espresso machine.
Harry: No, no wait. It's a snow cone maker.
Harry: Is it a water heater?

Faisil: They call him the Sand Spider.
Spencer Trilby: Why?
Faisil: Probably because it sounds scary.

Harry: The code name of your assignment will be... Boris. And your code name will be...
Helen Tasker: Natasha?
Harry: No... Doris.

Now I want to watch a bunch of Arnold movies dubbed by HJB.

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



counterfeitsaint posted:

Now I want to watch a bunch of Arnold movies dubbed by HJB.
HJB as Hal 9000
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0cqV3h-aDA

swickles
Aug 21, 2006

I guess that I don't need that though
Now you're just some QB that I used to know

You are in luck!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0cqV3h-aDA

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013




Did you mean to repost my link? Or did I miss something (like someone else posting it?)

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

Eat This Glob posted:

IMO, the quintessential Jon Benjamin role is him in "Jon Benjamin Has A Van." Seriously. Particularly the episode "Road Rage."
I'm sort of upset that "Jon Benjamin Has a Van" only got one season, but not too upset, since Nathan Fielder was involved with it and got his own show later.

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


get that OUT of my face posted:

I'm sort of upset that "Jon Benjamin Has a Van" only got one season, but not too upset, since Nathan Fielder was involved with it and got his own show later.

He's always been kind of diplomatic about the show only getting one season because he freely admits that CC was paying for a completely different show than the one he actually made.

swickles
Aug 21, 2006

I guess that I don't need that though
Now you're just some QB that I used to know

flosofl posted:

Did you mean to repost my link? Or did I miss something (like someone else posting it?)

Huh, for some reason embedded videos have stopped appearing for me, even though its enabled in the settings. Strange. I was wondering why there have been some completely empty posts lately.

Eat This Glob
Jan 14, 2008

God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. Who will wipe this blood off us? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we need to invent?

get that OUT of my face posted:

I'm sort of upset that "Jon Benjamin Has a Van" only got one season, but not too upset, since Nathan Fielder was involved with it and got his own show later.

Yeah, "Nathan for you" can easily be the best episode of comedy on tv in any given week. That and "review" seem like they're bespoke comedy written just for me.

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

Planning a vacation, saw this:

https://www.google.com/maps/@44.7559453,-121.8753835,16.02z

Carlosologist
Oct 13, 2013

Revelry in the Dark


Fantastic. also, have a Season 8 trailer!

http://screencrush.com/archer-season-8-dreamland-trailer/

MariusLecter
Sep 5, 2009

NI MUERTE NI MIEDO

So it's all his brain dying as he floats in the pool?

Also, nice syphilis joke.

X_Toad
Apr 2, 2011
That was hilarious. Excited for the return of "Barry, you rear end!".

curse of flubber
Mar 12, 2007
I CAN'T HELP BUT DERAIL THREADS WITH MY VERY PRESENCE

I ALSO HAVE A CLOUD OF DEDICATED IDIOTS FOLLOWING ME SHITTING UP EVERY THREAD I POST IN

IGNORE ME AND ANY DINOSAUR THAT FIGHTS WITH ME BECAUSE WE JUST CAN'T SHUT UP

MariusLecter posted:

So it's all his brain dying as he floats in the pool?

Also, nice syphilis joke.

Boy that sounds pretty rad. Hope we see some crazy hallucination stuff as his brain dies if this is the last season.

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TheLoneStar
Feb 9, 2017

It's pretty weird seeing Barry as a regular human again.

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