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OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I just noticed the thread tag, how long has that been a thread tag?

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OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Literal lawyers or literal law students.

I mean actually lawyers doesn't say much because they'll argue anything for money.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I know that the blast furnace once taken offline is basically hosed, so you would need to spend a fortune to either demolish or rebuild it after you stop fuelling it. Once it cools it's hosed. I imagine some of the rest of the plant works the same way. Mothballing it is inherently destructive and then you have to pay the costs of either reactivating or clearing the site.

If it's anything like the Redcar plant, that's a shitload of demolition or rebuilding to do.

£100m is probably well less than the cost of demolishing the site or reactivating it after having been shut down for a while.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

We have never had a resignation, IDS was never a minister. Also we have always been at war with eastasia.

It's depressing how long the government has avoided criticism by just ignoring it.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Ah yes, Ireland, reknowned for its fine Vodka.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I once had a kid tell me his dad was bob marley and that he was assasinated by the government.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Wait sorry I should be clear, that bob marley was assasinated by the government, not the kid.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

marktheando posted:

I'm sure it's very nice for those people he talked to, but it hardly helps to spread Corbyn's message to the wider electorate.

I dunno if it gets the news to report that he ignores them and talks to people it pretty well gives the message that he gives a poo poo about people.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Kaislioc posted:

I feel like I'm a bit late to the party in noticing that the best thing they could come up with as a symbol for their vote leave campaign is a ballot box. They must have been up all night thinking of that one.

I genuinely didn't even notice.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

The only thing it guessed about me was an age range, nothing else.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I know my grandad dressed like a grandad because he identified with the hetero-patriarchical masculinities of the politics of left and right and not because that's just what he liked wearing.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

https://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-ceee-PMs-mum-packs-in-Tories-to-go-Red

I am genuinely unsure if this was an april fools joke but I hope it isn't.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Don't shatter my fragile dreams.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Kegluneq posted:

I see no reason to distrust the word of Communist Party secretary May D'Oupe.

Gah, I read that and couldn't figure out what it was trying to be.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Kegluneq posted:

On the off chance you're serious, 'Made Up'...

No I get it now, I read it in the article and tried to figure out what it was supposed to sound like but didn't get it until you posted it.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Yeah yeah yeah I wasn't being entirely serious, just thought it was a funny article.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I too look forward to the rise of National Socialism.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Jedit posted:

If the Blairites get sufficiently uppity, is there a chance that the Tory left might break away and join the Labour right?

You'd think so because they're barely distinguishable as far as politics go, but being as they are both that particularly british kind of conservative that is averse to doing anything original or radical, I can't see it happening.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Quote-Unquote posted:

There's a billboard on my way to work that just appeared the other day with the words 'THE TRUTH' and 'It's illegal to use a legal name'.

A quick Google shows that this is the catchphrase of some idiot libertarian/sovereign citizen types that reckon we all have names on our birth certificates that are the property of the crown, and because we register to vote with our 'legal names' means all voting is fraudulent so there is no legitimate government anywhere in the world.

Is this a new thing that lolbertarians are bleeding into the real world and aren't just confined to the internet? Never encountered this sort of insanity in the wild before.

I wondered what the gently caress that was about, there's one up next to ASDA in Middlesbrough, I thought it was some badly thought out identity theft PSA.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Khan is apparently not super fond of Corbyn but so long as he plays on side I don't much care. It's bad because everything is bad for Corbyn. Corbyn could get declared unanimous and eternal king of Britain and that would only serve to prove his unelectability.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

EXTREME LEFT WING FACTIONS who support moderate social democrat Jeremy Corbyn.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I dread to think what would happen if you showed the guardian a trot or an anarchist.

They might explode.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

feedmegin posted:

Does the monarch count as a member of the House of Lords? If so, well, that's actually a thing that really would make him unelectable.

(Also if he becomes one of AR BOYS or joins the filth, apparently)

Edit: Angleton really wasn't a fan of us lot (British people, not commies) either, if I recall.

The monarch is head of state, I believe their job would basically be that of the Speaker, if they actually held parliament themselves any more.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Jose posted:

Surely if you believe abortion is murder you should be against all abortions

I presume they are but that the bill being proposed was specifically trying to unfuck it in those ways.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Abortions mandatory IMO.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Tesseraction posted:

I can't remember who it was, maybe Krugman, but they pointed out that middle-management was invented to manage the fact that trampling workers' rights leads to high-employee turnover (to keep them precariously employed), and so therefore middle-managers were needed to get the newbies in line to keep the wheels greased.

Effectively, middle management is a tumour of capitalism.

Well, it's sort of logical in that the necessity of precarious employment creates a specific job role designed to deal with the effects of that.

But the idea of just dividing labour more precisely so that you have a specialist for paperwork and a specialist for whatever the front end of your business is, isn't outlandish. It may be that with small enterprises you have to do everything yourself but you should ideally reach a point where you can create a very specific paperwork role and free up your actual service providers from having to do all that.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Not Operator posted:

Or more literary, did a Yithian just leave?

That would explain so many things in politics.

hookerbot 5000 posted:

I don't know, maybe he does believe everything he says and genuinely thinks he is helping people overcome their dependency to food and shelter.

Well, he is, he's liberating them from their bodies by killing them.

IDS the transhumanist libertarian would be a more interesting character than IDS the rules lawyer libertarian.

OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 20:37 on Apr 5, 2016

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I put my right shoe on my left foot by accident this morning. Corbyn should resign over it IMO.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

If Jeremy Corbyn was the Commander would he allow Our XCOM to shoot to kill to stop a terror mission?

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Also magic alien goo that turns your dudes into supermen but only if you kill all the aliens before they set fire to it. Clearly an analogy for oil.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Guavanaut posted:

Yeah but it clashes with the "hyper libertarian free market fundamentalists" bit, like the state surveillance bit does.

They're both definitely both part of the old school regressive paternalism. The surveillance isn't going to be used against peers of the realm and their private affairs (unless expedient to others in power), it's for protecting good citizens against those FeniansIslamists.

I'm not sure either of those necessarily clash if you treat the state as ToryCorp Inc which the current lot seem to be doing. It's not there to run the country it's there to sell all these lovely assets and funnel money into their mates. Obviously there's nothing wrong with surveillance and banning things to better secure their control over it.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Guavanaut posted:

Going back to banchat, I was looking for some conc. sulphuric acid to kick some life back into my poo poo car battery, and while idly flicking around I found that you need a license to buy nitric acid now.
It can be nasty stuff, so storeholder due diligence might be expected, like 'what are you planning to do with it?' and 'do you have safe storage/PPE?' but a license made me think there must be some kind of specific recent government thing behind it.

And there is, last year under some 'explosives precursor' type affair. Best laugh is that according to suppliers the license only applies to individuals, and any limited company in an appropriate industry is exempt, so someone could just register Albert Nusra & Sons Plate Etching Ltd. and bypass it.
To add insult to that, you can still get sulphuric acid and various nitrate salts in whatever quantity you want and make it. I wouldn't want to do it myself, distilling nitric acid is unpleasant and dangerous enough on paper, but for someone who wanted to make explosives that would be far from the most dangerous step involved. So it looks like the only people really inconvenienced are those would would be using it for legit purposes and are casual/self employed.

I'm glad that the government are taking decisive steps to protect us from terrorists who don't have any working knowledge of chemistry or £15 to register a company though.

I'm not sure you can ban explosive precursors given that it would arguably include nearly all forms of fixed nitrogen.

Including your own piss.

When you think about it my kidneys might get done for aiding terrorism.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

JFairfax posted:

the sort of northern dump where people use chinky in their day to day life.

I cannot deny this but I am unsure if it is unique to the north, having avoided the south successfully up to this point.

Guavanaut posted:

Don't give Theresa May ideas. The Psychoactives bill is bad enough.

We can't stop terrorism but we can certainly inconvenience it.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

namesake posted:

That's not entirely true, you can show up at a surgery and stab them with a katana as well.

No you can't they banned them.

E: and the surgery is also cancelled.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Guavanaut posted:

Just do a better job than this. (Does not show people being murdered) (Does show liberals and democrats kicking a guy)

Protip, do not pause for dramatic one liner when conducting political assassination.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

It's well known that taxes are basically just throwing money into a big hole so there's no possible way that getting more tax could help people to live. No, instead we must erm, charge a commission on helping people not pay tax. That's much better.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

TACD posted:

Apparently the 'greenest government ever' has decided it can make do without a climate change envoy. Never mind, I'm sure we'll sort the climate out once all this tax business is out of the way.

In fairness shutting down heavy industry is pretty ecological.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

big scary monsters posted:

Well when all the houses go to the state on the death of their owners the social housing supply could rather improve, couldn't it? Even if people sell their homes off before their deaths for the cash instead, it still brings prices way down because their beneficiaries who would have been sitting on a bunch of property thy could exploit for profit no longer are, and it's presumably much harder to build up a vast property empire when you don't have the advantage of inheriting vast swathes of Scotland (like the Duke of Westminster, for instance). So you'd be much more likely to be able to afford to actually buy your childhood home if that's important to you.

I personally wouldn't mind a qualitative income tax exception. You can inherit one house tax free if you don't already own one, or if you are willing to sell your current one to the government.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Oh dear me posted:

I'd want some recognition of the fact that some houses are nicer than others to be incorporated. I don't think 'having always lived in a mansion', or otherwise particularly desirable location, is enough reason to carry on being so lucky.

Eh, I'm not too worried about mansions being inherited. There aren't very many mansions and generally people who stand to inherit them already own property. If someone who doesn't own a house inherits a mansion, good for them.

Also not too bothered about people trading up via inheritance. The state gets a house out of it, or if the person doesn't feel like selling their own house/the state isn't willing to buy their current one, they can just pay the tax.

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OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

An article about CEO pay rates written by a man called Marx, you say?

I'm surprised the co-op CEO gets paid that much but he's a good egg for cutting his pay.

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