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Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth

Popular Thug Drink posted:

just because religion is a part of someone's personality doesn't imply that religion is a cause or effect of any horrible opinions they might have. imagine some nerd who is so into tabletop gaming that they actually use warhammer as a metaphor for life, and they are also a massive racist. if they refer to minorities as orcs does this mean that tabletop gaming is a contributor to racism? or does it mean that this person is using specific language to express a disconnected horrible opinion?

That's not something you need to imagine, that's unfortunately very real. Whooooooole lotta Neo-nazi types in the Warhammer, and to a lesser extent wargaming in general, scene.

But I'm not so sure you can so wholly separate the influence that Warhammer, or religion, can have on the formation of people's beliefs and opinions. Can we say for certain that this hypothetical person would absolutely still be a massive racist without the influence of a fantasy where different races are lesser beings? Was he always destined for that position and the path he takes was meaningless because all roads lead to Rome? Or would he instead be a different person if he had joined his school's Student UN Club instead hanging out at the Games Workshop tables all day?

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Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth

Popular Thug Drink posted:

social conservatives being extremely uncool with LGBT types while also being more likely to have old-time religion seems more like a correlative factor than a causative factor

Yes, I'm sure that the religion teaching that LGBT types are vile sub-humans who need to be killed at worst and patronizingly pitied at best has nothing at all to do with them being uncool with LGBT types.

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth
Edit: long since beaten

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