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Crabtree
Oct 17, 2012

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VitalSigns posted:

The claim that Christianity is the cause of anti-LGBT bigotry seems pretty weird to me considering that bigotry against homosexual sex and cross-dressing in European cultures predates Christianity by like millenia.

Rather than coming from an obscure line in some Hebrew book alongside some nitpicky dietary poo poo that not even most Jews pay attention to anymore, it seems to have a lot more to do with the Greek and Roman convention that women are property and a man who dresses like one or allows himself to be penetrated like one has betrayed his manhood and made himself equal in status to a woman, in other words a station somewhere below horses and cattle but still above geese or nice furniture.

Not every strand of Christianity has been affected by this particular cultural idea, but I agree that modern christian anathema towards homosexuality uses any passages they can find to rationalize a personal hatred that isn't even that much talked about much in the bible rather than be the outright cause for why they hate. With the way evangelical circles have rallied against SSM or any benefit to LGBT, you'd think homosexuality would have played a more prominent role in scripture, like Eve changed to Steve and God just flipped the gently caress out or Lucifer fell because he convinced a bunch of angel men to have gay orgies all the time instead of doing their heavenly host duties. But its such an inconsequential rule breaking compared to other passages that go great lengths into demonizing lack of true faith or adherence to God and outright murder that it all comes off as pro-slavery apologetics endlessly harping on The Curse of Ham to justify why black people are supposed to be slaves. Because by the color their skin they obviously must have descended from the Canaanites, and just like how the Kingdom Era Israelite, the supposed descendants of Shem, used this passage to say its okay to subjugate and destroy the people of Canaan, descendants of Ham; so too did the western and middle eastern powers of the 17-18th centuries use the Middle Ages idea of "skin blackened by sin" as a convenient excuse to stay their slave trade course. (Also apparently it was a big Babylonian no-no to look at someone's genitals, so its funny that older non Israelite culture can affect one of the most fundamental parts of Judaeo-Christianity, the story of Noah.)

There have been anti-LGBT currents in cultures well before even the Greeks and the Romans, and like culture, faiths can be shaped by these same cultural and ideological shifts -- as well as outright steal legends and stories because they sounded cool and Jesus totally did that too, but better. And like any other bigotry, religion is used more as an excuse and a tool wielded by the tools using it for whatever.

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