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HappyHippo posted:Because it tells you nothing about where these beliefs come from, how they spread, or why they're so persistent. But "Christianity" doesn't either, because there are Christians who don't share these beliefs, who abandon these beliefs, and who actively counter these beliefs, for every denomination.
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HappyHippo posted:For like the tenth time: there are different varieties of Christian belief. This is just about some of them. That doesn't mean these aren't religious beliefs. I don't know what's so hard about this. But there are no varieties of Christian belief, taxonomically, that universally or near-universally produce homophobic views. Not even megachurch evangelism does so.
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Apr 11, 2016 23:53
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fspades posted:I used to thought that D&D was terrible when talking about Islam but now I'm realizing you people just have a problem with discussing religion in general. Here's a religious phenomenon right in your backyards and you're still astonishingly bad at understanding it. Religion is not something you slap on to your otherwise completely secular life. It's neither a simple cover for justifying your cynical aims, nor a brain parasite causing you to do things by itself. It's a totalizing worldview that informs everything you experience. It's impossible to separate someone's ethics from their religion, and trying to find which one is in charge is a futile exercise. Actually, though, this particular brand of Christianity generates a number of liberal Christians, just like every Christian denomination has. In order to narrow the brand down to one that is almost-universally homophobic, you need to use qualifiers like "conservative" which exist outside of the religious sphere, rendering this totalitarian notion of religion to be a clear absurdity.
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Apr 12, 2016 03:19
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:I would hazard a guess that if your religious beliefs contradict someone else's religious beliefs, you don't actually belong to the same religion as them. Well then holy poo poo, there are about 20 different religions expressed in the little Presbyterian church I went to growing up. HappyHippo posted:Not every cloud brings rain, doesn't mean there isn't a connection between clouds and rain. It takes a tough man to make a tender chicken.
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Apr 12, 2016 03:23
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fspades posted:I wasn't talking about a specific denomination, just people who would consider themselves to be the Religious Right, which is a big incestuous family, denomination-wise. Whoa there pardner, I'm afraid my religion informs me that this post is backpedaling and I shouldn't read it, and as religion informs everything about my worldview, I guess I don't have a choice now.
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Apr 12, 2016 03:28
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It's also difficult to untangle "gay sex is a sin" from "sex is a sin, and only acceptable to reproduce". Given the number of monks and nuns that described their relationship with Jesus in erotic and same-sex terms, it's highly questionable to describe modern Christian notions about sexuality as somehow directly transmitted purely from Tertullian on down.
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Apr 12, 2016 22:25
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Solkanar512 posted:*record scratch* Emma Donoghue, Passions Between Women, obviously emphasizes lesbian understandings but she uses sources that mention men and gay male understandings to, along with trans understandings.
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Apr 13, 2016 22:59
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