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There's clearly something special about evangelical Christianity with regards to their views on homosexuality and sexuality in general. With many other denominations of Christianity or other religions there's not such a strong association with anti-gay beliefs.  
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fspades posted:OR they are doing it because they are genuinely, really, honestly scared to poo poo that God is going to punish them and their country for their acceptance of LGBT people. But curiously not scared of God punishing the US for any of its other sins? I mean I'm sure there are some people like this but for most Religious Right folks there is an extremely outsized focus on homosexuality and abortion to the point where it's impossible to view these sorts of arguments as being made in good faith.
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Apr 12, 2016 21:48
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:We all believe in holding other people to our moral standards. That's pretty much the definition of law. I don't care if someone doesn't uphold my moral standards within their personal life or their religious organization or whatever as long as it doesn't affect me. The problem with the religious right as Fuzzy pointed out is that they do care about personal behavior of others that has no effect on them whatsoever. They believe that they are entitled to a culture that props up the supremacy of their worldview and their way of life rather than one that lets people choose to live their own life as they see fit which is what I prefer. It's not that they're inconsistent or dishonest, they're just rabid authoritarians. We're talking about people who literally wanted to jail gays before the supreme court took the issue off the table. MaxxBot fucked around with this message at 07:11 on Apr 16, 2016 |
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Apr 16, 2016 07:05
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rudatron posted:I'm also not sure it's the prevention of natural disasters is driving force behind anti-LGBT stuff, that's more done after-the-fact. They are not like you, they do not have a harm-based moral system, it's one of a strict set of codes that are bad because reasons, which they aren't willing to interrogate. it's that lack of skepticism and emotional attachment to those rules that are the reasons they want to make it law. Why do they have a laserlike focus on restricting the rights of LGBT people and women who want abortions while ignoring all sorts of other sinful behavior that our society proudly displays? It's hard to treat their position as some sort of good-faith defense of Christian sexual morality when they only want heavy-handed enforcement of their beliefs in very specific circumstances. No one is calling for the arrest of cohabiting heterosexual couples even though they might give a sermon saying that it's bad.
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Apr 19, 2016 19:27
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Main Paineframe posted:What about laws against, say, public intoxication or sleeping in public? Nobody is necessarily being hurt there, but many communities have decided that certain things (or people) are icky or distasteful and should be banned from public view even if they aren't actually harming anyone. Anti-LGBT laws typically much more resemble those kinds of laws - ones intended to discriminate against populations seen as undesirable and force them to change their lifestyle or get out. First of all those laws are usually enforced when someone is doing something that could be viewed as "harm" like being belligerent drunk in public or sleeping in a public park. Second of all you're comparing a group of people, LGBT people, to actions done by an individual. I think laws like those are probably unneeded and should be enforced in very limited situations but they're certainly not comparable to anti-LGBT laws. Popular Thug Drink posted:maybe because they're not complete retards and would prefer to pursue politically achievable goals? you're basically saying "well if they're such socialists why aren't they pushing for the imposition of full global communism now" Pushing for bringing back sodomy laws, reversing gay marriage, and banning all abortions isn't exactly a realistic political goal but that doesn't stop them. My point is that the Religious Right has always had a very narrow focus on a couple of "culture war" issues while ignoring other behavior in society that their religion very clearly condemns. Religious Right leaders will happily partner with an Orthodox Jewish leaders for example to push anti-gay legislation or happily partner with conservative politicians that have a "sinful lifestyle" on their common political aims but they would never consider such a partnership with LGBT leaders because they are viewed as nothing other than an enemy. Even though all of those people are sinners in their eyes they're willing to overlook some sins but not others. When it was revealed that Ted Cruz had failed to tithe the proper amount on his tax return I saw some commentary from evangelical leaders along the lines of "we all struggle with that." Can you honestly say there could have been a similarly lenient response if it were found that Cruz had one time, even before his marriage, engaged in gay sex? The overwhelming majority of evangelicals engage in premarital sex but there's no talk about bringing back fornication laws, adultery laws, refusing service to cohabitating couples, firing dirty hetero sexhavers from their jobs, etc. Of course those things aren't politically realistic but they're not even discussed, it's clear that they're not wanted, for the obvious reason that many of those same evangelicals who want to punish gays for their sexual behavior would be punished if their own sexual sins were policed. Do you really think it's coincidental that the religious right has left heterosexal male sexuality off the table while focusing on policing women and LGBT people? EDIT: I should also point out that it was a mainstream belief in the 80s and 90s among the Religious Right that gays and drug users dying from AIDS was a deserved punishment for sinful behavior. How is this a logical expression of Christian belief rather than simply bigotry? The implication there I guess is that 30 Million dead Africans as "collateral damage" is an acceptable trade off to wipe out the gays. MaxxBot fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Apr 19, 2016 |
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Apr 19, 2016 21:59
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