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Rannos22 posted:I think we need to make discussing politics in polite company taboo again because this whole "making the personal political" thing seems to just be making everyone miserable. no we need to get over the idea that disagreeing with someone and having a polite argument argument is bad actually it's good to have contrasting opinions and talk about them and sometimes be upset and offended
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Right, I'm not saying having a debate or argument is bad, but making everything into a political debate is bad. Not all the choices one makes or words one says are endorsing or slamming a political ideology. Yeah, I don't actually know what I was trying to say there now that I look at it.
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If only experts had weighed in on the use of trigger warnings and their effectiveness... Oh wait, they have. http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/the-coddling-of-the-american-mind/399356/ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/11106670/Trigger-warnings-more-harm-than-good.html https://scientiasalon.wordpress.com/2015/05/28/the-false-dichotomy-of-trigger-warnings/
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Internet culture wars are just words at the moment. I wonder how many years we are from some kind of actual conflagration with 1000s of deaths sparked by an internet meme or something. A 21st century Jenkins' ear.
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natetimm posted:http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/the-coddling-of-the-american-mind/399356/  the atlantic posted:It’s difficult to know exactly why vindictive protectiveness has burst forth so powerfully in the past few years. The phenomenon may be related to recent changes in the interpretation of federal antidiscrimination statutes (about which more later). But the answer probably involves generational shifts as well. Childhood itself has changed greatly during the past generation. Many Baby Boomers and Gen Xers can remember riding their bicycles around their hometowns, unchaperoned by adults, by the time they were 8 or 9 years old. In the hours after school, kids were expected to occupy themselves, getting into minor scrapes and learning from their experiences. But “free range” childhood became less common in the 1980s. The surge in crime from the ’60s through the early ’90s made Baby Boomer parents more protective than their own parents had been. Stories of abducted children appeared more frequently in the news, and in 1984, images of them began showing up on milk cartons. In response, many parents pulled in the reins and worked harder to keep their children safe. blarzgh fucked around with this message at 19:45 on Apr 14, 2016 |
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This is very eye-opening to me. I was granting the benefit of the doubt (but generally think that the course title and description are already trigger warnings, which can't be too explicit or detailed without ) that the serious trigger warning crowd was focused on specifically rape survivors and only somewhat worried that they were speaking too much on imagined survivors' behalf and imposing weakness on them, but now that I have a real-life example it's much clearer. What especially struck me was the idea that this student was brought to tears because "not all of them are African American studies minors," on viewing a Blaxploitation film. As if, without taking the classes she's taken, the students will automatically assume that the movie is a 100% accurate depiction of black people and have no social context without being in that program? The idea that it's not up to the abuse survivor to decide whether and when she provided consent, is similar to something that's bugged me about privilege talk. Yes, the concept of privilege refers to a real thing, and we see countless examples of public figures who reveal their lack of perspective on what life is like for some people. But I think the way the concept has disseminated among the pre-educated public, has encouraged students like the one in the article to quantify and view privilege as a steadfast law of nature that actually prevents people from learning the perspective of others, like "affluenza." I don't know what to do about it though, but it reinforces my intuition that institutionalizing those concepts into policy (beyond "students need gen. ed. classes so they can be well-rounded and have social perspective") is a bad idea which will reinforce the stilted, over-pigeonholed view. Key thing to keep in mind Stinky_Pete fucked around with this message at 20:00 on Apr 14, 2016 |
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Apr 14, 2016 19:57
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Booblord Zagats posted:AND THE PATRIARCHY ALWAYS WINS! 
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Stinky_Pete posted:Re: Salon Article I like how about halfway through the article, the bottom just drops out on her disdain for all those namby little shits. quote:
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I think rape and sexism is bad but I also think the far-left needs to get back to arson, kidnapping and bank robbing.
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Archer666 posted:Thats what I meant :v he made the twink fat. Hmm.. what do you call a fat twink anyway? a twinkie  Applewhite posted:I usually just call him Archer666 :iamafag: 5.5/10
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Don't know if this has been posted yet but Stephen Fry was sexually abused by an older boy at school and has always been adamant that it's had no negative effect on him. I don't think this is the first time he's claimed other people who were sexually abused make too big a deal of it.
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Absolute Lithops posted:Don't know if this has been posted yet but Stephen Fry was sexually abused by an older boy at school and has always been adamant that it's had no negative effect on him. I don't think this is the first time he's claimed other people who were sexually abused make too big a deal of it. Check out the Salon article. It would be one thing if he was talking about sexual abuse survivors asking not to relive their experience in graphic detail. What's going on is people who feel like they know better than the survivors do about when consent was or was not theirs to give, being triggered over a reminder that there is racism and the assumption that her classmates have no means of contextualizing blaxploitation films.
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Archer666 posted:I'd post twinks but I'm scared Stephen Fry will steal them. have you considered posting twinks (real or drawn) in every thread you read? my excel sheets suggest it would be a net positive, and you would likely get a probe before a ban, giving you an idea of where the limits are.
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RobattoJesus posted:bigguts 
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Stinky_Pete posted:Check out the Salon article. It would be one thing if he was talking about sexual abuse survivors asking not to relive their experience in graphic detail.
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RideTheSpiral posted:back in my day, the Middle Ages, there were no iPhones just iGouges More like this please.
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Oh, you think it's shaming to call someone a bitch on twitter? Well, when my uncle refused to charge head first into a pike formation, the commander ran a sword through his back and now no one will sell our family bread because of his cowardice.
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RideTheSpiral posted:back in my day, the Middle Ages, there were no iPhones just iGouges Medieval peasants worked less hours and got far more holidays than modern people.  15 hours would've been seen as pretty insane in the preindustrial world.
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Absolute Lithops posted:Don't know if this has been posted yet but Stephen Fry was sexually abused by an older boy at school and has always been adamant that it's had no negative effect on him. I don't think this is the first time he's claimed other people who were sexually abused make too big a deal of it. "Sorry you were raped. That has to be the worst. Like I can't imagine a worse thing that someone could do or have done to them than rape. It must be insanely bad and you will probably never get over it, hunh? Well you have my sympathies, you know, for your feelings of helplessness and self-blame every time someone brings it up." *Stephen Fry's face begins to ripple n bubble + the boiling kettle sound happens* "It... had.. no.. effecccttt.... on.. MEEEEEEEE!!!"
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Ork of Fiction posted:"Sorry you were raped. That has to be the worst. Like I can't imagine a worse thing that someone could do or have done to them than rape. It must be insanely bad and you will probably never get over it, hunh? Well you have my sympathies, you know, for your feelings of helplessness and self-blame every time someone brings it up."
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Oh my god. We're actually discussing this issue in a civil, maybe even constructive manner, without anyone going completely over the top or turning to using the thread as a toilet because people are saying things they don't agree with. Could we have broken through to the other side and discovered... a heaven thread?
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Bitter Mushroom posted:cecil rhodes was a great man anyway cecil rhodes stretches before a vigorous session of teabagging the entire african continent
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Wulfolme posted:Oh my god. We're actually discussing this issue in a civil, maybe even constructive manner, without anyone going completely over the top or turning to using the thread as a toilet because people are saying things they don't agree with. See, now that you mentioned it, D&D posters are going to materialize and proceed to piss on everything in a bid to be The Most Righteous.
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Trigger warnings are ridiculous: See this video about the future of the Universe. The warning comes after the intro animation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDF-N3A60DE Entropy and thermodynamics gave me a panic attack. Let us English fucked around with this message at 04:29 on Apr 15, 2016 |
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Let us English posted:Trigger warnings are ridiculous: Thats crazy dude.
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Let us English posted:Trigger warnings are ridiculous: my numbers are biiiiiiig. you've probably never seen numbers this big 
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your mom has tho 
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SealHammer posted:See, now that you mentioned it, D&D posters are going to materialize and proceed to piss on everything in a bid to be The Most Righteous. I enjoyed it when someone called D&D the ADTRW of political discourse. Hail... Mary? Which one would be the opposite of Satan?
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Wulfolme posted:Which one would be the opposite of Satan? mohammad
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The White Dragon posted:mohammad I don't want to be quoted as repeatedly saying "Praise Mohammed," the FBI comes and bothers me at work enough already.
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RobattoJesus posted:I think all this stuff is like when you're a kid and your friend hurts himself and you're all "get up you loving pussy" so you kick him a few times and then you realise he has 2 broken legs so you are nice to him. Like I think you should be able to mentally traumatise people with PTSD probably twice tops, but then if you're pretty sure they're actually completely mentally broken then you can be nice to them. This feels right to me.
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Absolute Lithops posted:Don't know if this has been posted yet but Stephen Fry was sexually abused by an older boy at school and has always been adamant that it's had no negative effect on him. I don't think this is the first time he's claimed other people who were sexually abused make too big a deal of it. that's just an old eton custom tbh.
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Stephen Fry is what stupid people think a smart person sounds like op
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TomViolence posted:Stephen Fry is what stupid people think a smart person sounds like op I thought that was the bazinga man
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LOVE LOVE SKELETON posted:have you considered posting twinks (real or drawn) in every thread you read? my excel sheets suggest it would be a net positive, and you would likely get a probe before a ban, giving you an idea of where the limits are. While that would be fun, it'd also tire me out pretty quickly and I'm anything if not lazy. Also coming back to trigger warnings. I'm still not convinced why they'd need to be in colleges. If a person has been through traumatic poo poo, why not just talk to the professor in private? Discuss the issue with him and see what can be done to accommodate your situation. Of course you'd have to back this up with a note from the therapist or something along those lines. It's not like you're some kind of bubble alienated from the rest of the world. I don't get why a teacher should stop his entire class and give students an easily exploitable excuse not to get involved in the work."Uuuh I can't do this assignment sir... it uuuh eeeeh *shits pants* triggers me! That's right, it triggers me" 
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We live lives increasingly devoid of meaning. People find meaning in struggle. In the first world, there is increasingly less meaningful struggles. We've reached the point where people will actively insert themselves into the struggles of others with good intentions and terrible results or invent a struggle to find meaning for our empty decadent consumer lives.
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ask not for whom the poo poo posts, it posts for thee
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To be frank that seems like it can be easily solved with "Dealing with this part of sylabus can put me on a position that both mess up my performance to class and on my life condition, so I can probably coordinate with a colleague" Maybe this is from dealing a lot with folk who have conditions that do require trigger warnings, but I saw those less as stuff to fully avoid but more as the equivalent of a hotness scoville scale or an allergy warning: It won't necessarily forbid you from experiencing the media but will give you enough info to make the judgment call so that you can figure whenever or not dealing with it is ok by ya.
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Stephen Fry said he was sorry Do YOU forgive him?
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Giving in to complaints that a material cannot be shown in a setting of adult education leads to the validation and creation of people who are incapable and inable. Refusing to confront your personal fears in the safest setting possible regresses you. Although given, a demonic dean showing "Ultimate Rape Gangbang Uncut" to someone who can barely hold two spoons is a bit much.
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