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I just found this thread after posting in the GBS one for awhile. I'm going to hit this all at once...phasmid posted:Innocence was also cool because it had a crazy villain and an army of Motokos. Top that, motherfucker. Also, it continues the great ongoing joke that Batou keeps the arsenal of a small country in the trunk of his car (which he uses to kill a whole bar full of Yakuza men and a weird borg brainslave with a metal claw on his hand.) All the while going "I just want to talk" to Togusa as he's going to the bar. That's a great scene. computer parts posted:The synopsis from the OP's article is the following: Funny, I've been going over this recently and take a look and that synopsis could be for an entirely different property... quote:Based on the internationally-acclaimed sci-fi property, Seriously, if the finished plot is anything like that pitch, I'd suspect that someone just erased the character names from their DX:HR movie script and inserted Kusanagi and gang. Hodgepodge posted:If Johansson refused a major role due to whitewashing, it would be a huge deal, and would set a standard that producers would have to take into account. If Johansson dropped the role, Margot Robbie would have got the part, since there was talk about her as Kusanagi back then as well. It looks like the plan was always to have a Caucasian actress as Kusanagi. HorseLord posted:So now we've covered Paramount's enquiry into building an electric yellowface machine, I'm wondering what a non-Japanese version of GITS could even be. The entire premise of the series comes from the history of postwar Japan, it's place in the world, how it's society relates to technology, and where that could lead to in the future. No, it doesn't. This is one of those things Jon Tsuei brought up and it's highly disagreeable. Foreign powers play very little in the source material: America hardly shows up at all, Russians are the antagonists for one chapter, and the final arc is unseen Israelis manipulating Kusanagi into getting her head blown off. For the most part, Section 9 is going after shady corporations, third world exiled elites, and corrupt politicians. Also, Section 9, despite being nominally in the National Public Safety Agency, doesn't operate like the cops nor is staffed by people who. It's not Kochikame, You're Under Arrest or at least Patlabor. Shirow himself based Batou, Togusa, and Aramaki off "C.I.5: The Professionals" a British TV series from ITV about a trio of super cops who work outside the normal British police channels. Part of the reason why GITS became so popular worldwide is that the story was largely universal. You didn't have to have a major in Japanese politics and foreign relations to follow it. For a contemporary of GITS that does follow that deals with postwar Japan and it's place in the world, that's Angel Cop, unfortunately. The anime's original anti-Semitism that was edited out of foreign releases is notably famous, but, in the original manga, it's straight-up anti-Americanism. Neo Rasa posted:There was a rumor of this, that when she's in cyberspace she looks Japanese and has blue/purple hair/etc. but from what Paramount said it really was just tests for the actors in general. This, plus where's Neil Blomkamp? Where's Rian Johnson? Well, we know Johnson's got bigger fish to fry. Gyges posted:I love that all you need for Cyborg eyes is a pair of swim goggles. TBF, it's not particularly clear how Batou's (and Boma's) eyes work. I think there supposed to be like Molly from "Neuromancer", where they're an external covering, but sometimes Shirow drew them like they were coming out of his eyelids, like they had an added lens magnification to them. I have the time, I think I really need to come up with that Westernized Ghost In The Shell "concept art" that I've been meaning to do since hearing about this years ago. Major Excalibur, here we come.
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Vanderdeath posted:GitS 2: Man-Machine Interface felt like it was done to capitalize on the growing popularity of the series outside of Japan and it was absolute garbage. I honestly think the Ghost in the Shell movies, Stand Alone Complex, 2nd Gig and Solid State Society are the "real" stories since they're divorced from Shirow's stink. At the same time, SAC part of the franchise (including 2nd GIG and SSS) mines heavily from both the original and GITS1.5: Human Error Processor, as well as Appleseed. I actually like Human Error Processor because Kusanagi is largely not in it and gives the other characters, particularly Togusa and Saito, more time in the spotlight. Also, you find out there's more women than Motoko at Section 9, the almost identical Kohl and Qwer. Also, GITS1.5 is a bit more influential than people realize: the tank fight in the first movie is a combination of the fight in 08 Dumb Barter and the fight against the deep sea mining robot in 1.5. The Major tearing off her own limbs to open a tank hatch happens in GITS1.5. People try downplaying Shirow's early writing and storytelling, but, just now, I went through the first book to get the chapter title and ended up read through that whole chapter. It's still fairly tight and, despite reading it a hundred times, it still feels tense and gives you the impression that Kusanagi and/or Togusa might die. The same goes for Appleseed and it's a shame that he's basically given up following up on it and let Shinji Aramaki poo poo all over it with his CGI movies. Of course, I'm not sure how much is Shirow and how much is Toren Smith, who brought Shirow's name to at least America's attention, but you can easily follow the story without dialogue in most cases (which, I did for so many years prior to the English translation, I have the original Japanese tankoban, lezbot sex scene and all, that I bought in 1993-94) so it's likely that Shirow was a better storyteller back then. But you're right about GITS2. It's were Shirow started going up his own rear end. There's way too much digital effects and lens flares and computer-generated glossy bodies. And the computer effects don't hold up, they look like something out of Second Life. And that tight storytelling basically vanished in all that glossy poo poo: most of his fights are horribly arranged and he gets too hung up with the body-switching that it becomes hard to follow. At one point, Motoko Aramaki is in another alias, Chroma, who is in VR, and is temporarily taking over a random policewoman's cyberbody to achieve an objective. Despite that, I would like the GITS animated franchise to tackle Man-Machine Interface, largely because there's ideas that Shirow mentions but leaves hanging, as well as get away from the same stories with Section 9, because you can only mine it so far. That first chapter where she meets with the Doctor presents so many interesting scenarios, such as "who is the Doctor?" and the compensation the Doctor asks for providing Motoko some tech basically stopping a ethnically-motivated coup that never gets brought up after that. It could have been an entire manga if not a single chapter. Young Freud fucked around with this message at 02:54 on Apr 21, 2016 |
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phasmid posted:Young Freud, I wanted to ask which parts of the CG people are ridiculing when they say it was awful. To my knowledge the only all-out CG was the weird matrix thing where all the Tachikomas live, or in Innocence when they're in the "doll house". So as a person who has read only a bit of the manga, my experience with the show is: I amended my statement, because I noticed I didn't complete it. I wasn't exactly talking about the animated stuff, but the manga (however, the GITS movie that was "remastered" has a lot of jarring CGI, particular Kusanagi perched before she assassinates the diplomat and most of the stuff with the helicopters). Basically, between GITS1.5 and GITS2 manga, Shirow discovered 3D modeling and Photoshop and began to use it extensively in his later works. The "digital" effects featured in the color sections of the first manga and GITS1.5 were done by hand, either by Shirow or his Zaku-faced assistant, using prior photo composition techniques like cut-out layers and the like. This is what I'm talking about when I speak of horrible computer effects. Just look at the texturing and relatively simple model work. It really doesn't hold up as well to today's standards, especially when you consider this was 2000-2001 when this was made.     Here's a comparison to GITS from 1989-1990 and it's largely hand-drawn artwork. This is the stuff that made Shirow famous, because even Appleseed didn't have hand-painted or photomanipulated color inserts. The 3D work that was supposed to look outstanding is sloppy compared to this.     As well, here's GITS1.5, serialized off-and-on between 1991-1996, which is kind of a bridge between the two. You can see some 3D work but for the most part it's largely hand-drawn or -painted.     And he wasn't particularly groundbreaking with using 3D imagery. Space Adventure Cobra's Buichi Terasawa used 3DCG in his color work just prior, starting with Takeru in 1992 (which looks even worse today than GITS2) and Raven Warrior Kabuto. Nowadays, 3D backgrounds and props are fairly commonplace as many manga artists don't have the money to pay for assistants or time to lavishly detail out in photorealistic detail or collect photos for reference. The two biggest manga that use 3D backgrounds throughout is Gantz and I Want To Be A Hero.
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Tenzarin posted:Hollywood will be looking for the rights for a movie based on this in 2030, when they run out of marvel and dc comics. It will have massive advertisements in it. *Image of Sea Patrolman, looking like a divesuit version of the Kerebos protect gear from Jin-Roh* WHERE ARE YOU, SCOOBY DOO? 203X
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DeimosRising posted:I don't know poo poo about or care for Ghost in the Shell but the degradation of his art is depressing. Those early pages, especially the one with the space marine cops and the lead dissolving into the cityscape/lights are really great. He also had a great sense of using color to portray mood. Such as the start of a new day/comic series...  ...Neo-Cold War spycraft...  a serial killer hunt...  His color chapter titles also evoked mood with color...   Even the often-mentioned lesbian scene uses this, with a lot of pink and pastels, and it's probably the biggest difference between his pre-computer erotic work and now. Unless he has his ingenue framed by a background of writhing flesh, most of Shirow's porno work today is either steel gray urban skies or over-exposed white lighting.
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Snowman_McK posted:Those are pretty. In chapter 3 (the title page in the post above you, in fact), has Batou doing surveillance when he's interrupted by Aramaki in the field about a change of plans, so he goes to "hivemind" into a vacationing Kusanagi to let her know. The scene cuts to a boat with a tanned Kusanagi getting fingerbanged by a girl and another joining in, which later turns out to be a sort of virtual reality called "edurno". Batou immediately feels weird because he is registering sensations from organs that he doesn't have (such as breasts). Kusanagi backhacks him and forces him to punch himself out for interrupting her. The whole thing is interesting because Kusanagi has no dialogue other than moans, but the other two girls sperg out on the technical details of the virtual experience. Surprisingly, this and her lesbian relationship with the girls actually gets referenced Stand Alone Complex. The nurse who pops up time and again in the series is one of the participants and in one episode, when Kusanagi is reviewing some case files, she and the other girl have virtual sex off-screen behind Motoko's back. Tenzarin posted:There was like this 2 page sex scene, that they were gonna to label the entire work erotica over. It made him have to go back and remove it. It's not the last time it happened. The serialized version of GITS2: MMI had a single page with Motoko hacking into an African hacker girl, while she's getting double-penetrated by two black guerrilla soldiers under her command. Supposedly, Shirow had a change of heart and redid the scene with Motoko giving her a virus that causes the hacker girl to have a seizure when it came time to publish the collected tankoban edition (and that was used for foreign releases).
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Tenzarin posted:I'm pretty sure a plotline that tries to make fanatical Islamic refugee terrorists look like not the bad guy wont go over so well in America. The refugees in 2nd gig were just reference as Asians I don't recall them making any focus of on their life style. I think it would turn the movie into a Elysium social commentary that is completely not needed, just like Elysium where Matt Damon was a Mexican. The closest we get to the lifestyles of the refugees is that the mostly come from "the Peninsula", i.e. Korea. In fact, I don't think I picked up on it until they had the episode where they discussed Kuze's service there and the only people he fights are Korean People's Army, i.e. North Korea. If you don't know, Koreans are the largest group of immigrants in Japan and probably the most mistreated, it all stemming from when Japan occupied Korea from 1910. After the Great Kanto Earthquake that toppled Tokyo in 1923, there was a massacre of Korean immigrants on the belief that they were looting and causing chaos. In post-war Japan, they lost their Japanese citizenship and we're heavily discriminated against, resulting in Korean shantytowns and ghettos and dabbling with criminal activities or worked illegally. It's gotten better for most Koreans over the last few decades, with assimilation efforts and lobbying, but that means that officially Japan recognizes them, not that the Japanese do. Also, there's a lot of suspicion of the Chongryon, the North Korean immigrants lobby group, because of their opposition to assimilation of ethnic Koreans in Japanese society and because of North Korea's habit of kidnapping Japanese citizens and smuggling of weapons and drugs. Supposedly, Chongryon operates schools in Japan where they teach all about Juche and how the Kim family is great. If anything, the clear American analogy would be Mexicans and Central American immigrants. BTW, Kamayama's GITS series is loaded with euphemisms. "The Peninsula" for Korea, "Mainland" for China, I surprised America didn't become "Overseas".
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Ccs posted:So there was some stuff about this movie revealed at Anime Expo. Aramaki will be played by a Japanese guy with Japanese dialogue, subtitled into English. The production IG staff was heavily involved in the production of the live action movie. Names haven't been localized for this reason. Mamoru Oshii can think whatever he wants. He once called this actress he worked "the perfect Major". Not that she's bad or anything, it's just, well, GIS her photo and you can see why I think Oshii's preference is a bit suspect...  Ccs posted:Also they'll either be adapting or taking all of the original soundtrack from the animated GITS movie and making that the soundtrack of this movie. So no completely new soundtrack. So it will at least sound like the original, music-wise. I guess that's good news for Kenji Kawai. I like the soundtrack, but I'm starting to think that I'm going to see nothing new with this. Granted, I didn't like ARISE a whole lot, but whatever new elements like Col. "McOpenBlouse" Kurtz, Cyborg Pei Mei and his crack cyborg unit, and the American espionage agent whose really an unmanned drone I felt were more interesting than whatever was going on with Kusanagi and gang, and I'd rather would have watched a show with them as featured characters.
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Neo Rasa posted:Which is why I don't get why they don't just do a full US remake of the story like The Departed or The Magnificent Seven or whatever, her and the few other not Japanese people all happening to work in the same internal affairs department in a major Japanese city's police force in a sea of other Japanese characters is pretty stupid. Japanese Public Safety Agency is real organization akin to the FBI and CIA in both scope and role. For example, any time there's a communist demonstration, Public Safety's out there taking pictures and doing COINTELPRO (but not when the neo-fascists in their black vans and loudspeakers come out  ). Section 9 is just a fictionalized branch, much like how M.I.6 from the James Bond films is based off the British Military Intelligence office. I've joked about it often, but really, an Americanized Section 9 would be a secret counterterrorist/counterespionage squad or group in the CIA, FBI, NSA, or what have you. They especially shouldn't be corporate industrial espionage experts or whatever the movie is presenting them as because they couldn't be bothered to localize it or give a convincing reason for foreigners to be working with the Japanese government.Neo Rasa posted:Oshii was never concerned with that though, the movie is set in Hong Kong because no real reason. Plus didn't Oshii direct Avalon? Why is he even allowed to speak about anything film-related ever since? Oshii's live-action stuff post Avalon is pretty weak, especially when he's supposedly given up on animation and wants to do more live action. I actually like his Kerberos movies, Stray Dog more than Red Spectacles despite their low budget: Red Spectacles you can tell they're using cap guns, while part of Oshii's love affair with Hong Kong comes with working on Stray Dog, because he went filming there to use actual guns. The fact that they're getting Beat Takeshi and only have him speak in Japanese frustrates me for some reason. I can't really put my finger on why it upsets me so. Young Freud fucked around with this message at 20:37 on Jul 4, 2016 |
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Tenzarin posted:So the Major and crew could do a cross over film with James Bond, Ethan Hunt, Jack Reacher, Jason Borne, and the Kingsmen? One of those other fictional organizations I usually refer to as Section 9 appropriate is CTU from 24, so why don't we throw in Jack Bauer in there as well?
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phasmid posted:I thought about that too. The big reason must be that the 'GITS' brand name still has street cred, despite some of the lesser adaptations. The problem here is that they're obviously going to cash that in to make this movie, which may make its money back but seems unlikely to be a blockbuster. I still don't like Scarlett Johansen, but that has more to do with her being a lousy actress who is in bad movies all the time and has settled on one facial expression (although I do see why that would make her a convincing full-cyborg). FTFY. The "ridiculous guns with the clip behind the handle" Seburos and other future guns could use airsofts like most film/TV productions use. Outside of the Poseidon.jp models that frequently appear that ape Shirow's style or build off them, the Magpul Personal Defense Rifle, a PDW prototype that failed to take off and end up getting made into an airsoft gun due to demand, was pretty much someone trying to build a Seburo in real life. And I just ran into this thing today. So, yes, you can even use the ridiculous bullpup guns. That said, there's already a few out filmmakers out there. Neil Blomkamp I know is a big Shirow fan, even mentioned Briaeros from "Appleseed" as one of the inspirations for Tetra Vaal and Chappie and I would have loved if he was working on this instead. Improbable Lobster posted:On the bright side there's still more good GitS then bad. The first two moves are good, the TV series is better than most anime and Arise is alright. Right now the original manga is the worst version of GitS IMHO. gently caress you, GITS2: Man Machine Interface is the worst version. ARISE blows, too. I had an old post I made on Facebook I made after watching the second episode remind me why I disliked that show.
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Renoistic posted:ARISE completely lost me after the episode where the military guy who was on trouble for slaughtering civilians turned out to be innocent because the civilians were actually all out to kill him, including the child. OORAH Yeah, that's the one. Ripped right off from the Tommy Lee Jones-Samuel L. Jackson movie Rules Of Engagement. The other thing that majorly bugged me about that episode is Kusanagi blowing away Batou, Boma, and Ishikawa's fellow unit members. Sorry, you guys might be comrades and war buddies trying to free your mentor, but you aren't the main cast, so you're all disposable. And of course, none of them feel anything at all about that. Batou being spared makes sense since she met him in a previous episode, Boma and Ishikawa should have probably been killed during all that, since she has no idea who these guys are. And of course, Saito is a turncoat for no reason.
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No one's talked about the leaked cast photos? Well, here they are. No one's sure where they came from but they've been circulating around Asia for about a week or so. The characters are Chinese, so, I'm assuming from some sort of Chinese licensing or distribution event. The two art works are anything thing that's been included in many of the articles, so I'm not sure if it's fan art or actual concept art from the film production.         I'm not that happy with how this is turning out. Word has that they're never referring to Kusanagi by her name, just by her rank, I'm guessing to avoid naming her due to the whitewashing allegations. I'm heavily disappointed that Batou doesn't have his eyes and I don't even think "adding them in post" is going to happen, considering that Borma and Saito have their eyes done. Speaking of which, Saito looks like he belongs in a Japanese '80s scifi movie like GunHED or Zeiram his makeup looks so bad. I can tolerate Ishikawa and Borma being played by African actors, but Togusa looks super old for the part. And I think people have too much respect for Beat Takeshi that his Aramaki to not tell him that he looks like he should be sequestered in a Romanian castle with his vampire brides, waiting for Keanu Reeves to show up.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Man I hadn't read the premise of this film before. It's pretty funny when compared to season 1 of SAC. It's basically someone ripping off the plot to Deus Ex: Human Revolution and changing the names to GITS stuff.
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Mierenneuker posted:So googly eyes is this guy, right? Yep, although Batou has the same implants as well. I will admit, I've often wondered about the mechanics of how Batou/Boma/JGSDF Ranger eyes work, like are they covering the eye like Molly Millions from "Neuromancer" and would look indiscernible from sunglasses at a distance or a cursory glance, do they replace the entire eye and socket, or do they poke out of the existing eyelid like some sort of telescopic contact lens? Some of Shirow's work looks like the latter, where it looks like they're extruding from Batou's eyelids and other times they look like a cover. The stage play adaptation of GITS: ARISE makes them look like implanted swimmer goggles.   The stage play also conceived that Saito's "eagle eye" implant as a full socket covering/replacement with a flip-up eye patch. 
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Ersatz posted:It's a strange casting decision considering that the point of the character is that being a young family man gives him a different mindset from the rest of the team. I have a major feeling that, in this film, most of Section 9 doesn't really matter, only the Major and maybe Batou, because you know they're going to work a love triangle angle between the two of them and Michael Pitt's Laughing Man. It's why most of the Section 9 cast is a bunch of no names. Or, like Aramaki, being isolated due to speaking only Japanese in this movie.
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Neo Rasa posted:This movie's going to be poo poo either way but I don't know why the internet always gets in an uproar about a bunch of raw production test shots every time. Don't these photos literally only exist so someone can look at them for like one second before deciding on a different shade of gray for someone's suit or whatever? True, but we've already seen what the Major and Batou look like from set photos, so it's not like it's going to be that much of a difference. Gatts posted:Kinda disappointing thus far but I'm guessing no clean up/post/proper effect production is done yet to make everything look good...I hope. That's what I'm hoping for myself, like they'll add Batou's eyes in post and the only reason Borma's googly eyes are practical is because Rupert Sanders doesn't care for any of the rest of the Section 9 characters. The problem with many leaked photos is that they seem to be leaked with permission. You're not seeing Paramount running around trying to shut these cast photos or the set photos down, which they would do if it hadn't been meant to leaked to gauge interest. It's like all those ridiculous stories about Jared Leto's antics on Suicide Squad, it's marketing to help drive up interest this early in the campaign, especially since they're trying to fight the whole "whitewashing" fiasco.
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Bugblatter posted:Heh, that's internal concept work with Johansson's face photoshopped on to what is either a Shirow illustration or an imitation of one. Stand-Alone Complex is infamous for gratuitous Kusanagi rear end shots... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbyRSq2_SSI
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muscles like this? posted:They're airing some weird promos for this during the season finale of Mr Robot. Yeah, they're supposedly 4 second clips. I'll wait until they get dropped on YouTube.
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strategery posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HapT0SKcyfY Looks like there's five total... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7Tm73m0VZs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xziBGsIaWh8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWDBpTB6T0Q IDK, something feels kind of off to me. Maybe it's because it looks too flesh tone.
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K. Waste posted:That one with Beat Takeshi looks on point, though. Yeah, I think that's the best one because it looks like it has a style.
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Hakkesshu posted:Doesn't she have an actual girlfriend in season 2 of SAC First season of SAC. She makes at least three appearances, IIRC. I can't recall if she even has a name.   Edit: it's Kurutan
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Improbable Lobster posted:I mean, there's a tiny bit of stuff about how your gender doesn't really matter when you can stick your brain into a new body but it doesn't really come up. I think Batou asks the Major why she isn't in a male body once in Arise or SAC but I can't think of any characters offhand that are explicitly stated to be trans or in a body that doesn't match their gender. I think that's more Batou asking why she doesn't min-max like him, especially considering his specialty isn't heavy weapons but electronic warfare. Like there's morphological differences between male and female bodies are still there even if they're prosthetic analogs, at least with strength and durability, so he basically asks why doesn't the Major pair her brains and combat ability with a more robust body? Not that Megatech or whoever couldn't build a female cyberbody to match Batou's own specs, but it sure wouldn't look like Kusanagi in ARISE or even SAC. Interestingly enough, Oshii's rendition is probably the most gender-bending, since Kusanagi in those films has an fairly androgynous body with some wide shoulders.
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Improbable Lobster posted:Arise is 4 hour long episodes plus a movie. It's worth a watch but it isn't as good as the movies or SAC. Plus one of the episodes is about a military taskforce that slaughtered some civilians and it turns out that the people they killed were actually terrorists so they were innocent the whole time. I'm going to do my own ranking here and go 1. SAC 2. SAC 2nd GIG 3. Ghost in the Shell (1995) 4. GITS Manga 1.5 - Human Error Processor 5. GITS Manga 6. GITS: Innocence 7. GITS Manga 2.0 8. ARISE 9. Ghost in the Shell 2.0 (due to needless CGI, switching Matrix-inspired green color-grading for Deus Ex: HR-style orange, and changing the cacophonic bass of the Crab Tank's miniguns for something that doesn't match well) Really, I feel that GITS works better as either a police procedural with cyborgs or cyberpunk "Miami Vice". It's funny that I could show SAC to my mother and she could follow along because of things like Law & Order or CSI with some caveats like explaining the "what's a human in GITS" theme. There's interesting ideas in the manga GITS 2.0 - Man-Machine Interface, but generally poor execution due to Shirow getting high on his own supply, and it would work better if it's core kept the procedural but replacing Section 9 with Motoko Aramaki's clone army and how these aspects of her evolve, interact, and compete against one another.
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DarkSol posted:Are Kenji Kawai's other works as good as the original GitS soundtrack is? Yes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOrbHOueDn4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwNRv-lubCg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ6Jn-RnqQ8 Also, I totally forgot that he did the original Ring movie. Sirotan posted:Don't forget the needless redubbing of the Puppet Master with a female VA. poo poo, I completely forgot about that. The change of the Crab Tank's guns was far more egregious error because the sound they used didn't sound like the heavy machinegun report they replaced it with and more like whirling, mechanized death. Young Freud fucked around with this message at 20:24 on Sep 24, 2016 |
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Tenzarin posted:Ah we have advanced into ranking wars. The teasers looked very plain, like hey look we didn't white wash the movie plain. Yeah, that was something I noticed. The "orientalism" kinda runs heavy, even more so than the source material and it's adaptations. Not that the series doesn't have robot geishas and networked monks, but that heavy focus on the only real name Asian actor as well as the mixed-heritage African woman, it's just all in the first minute of the film that we can see. It's screaming practically that "it's foreign!" but here is also ScarJo.
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DeusExMachinima posted:Am I the only one who didn't really care about the complex episodes in SAC and 2nd Gig? I also liked the 1st season better. I assume everyone's ranking 2nd higher than the 1st season because of the Individual Eleven plot, which I cared even less about than the Laughing Man thing. They tried to say something deep but didn't do anything that William Gibson didn't already do better. The standalone episodes like the ghost-hijacked military tank prototype or the Tachikoma exploring the city with a little girl and developing an identity were tight when they came together and that's what kept me coming back. What they did with the Tachikomas at the end of 2nd Gig was pretty good though. My opinion is that I like the first 3/4 of SAC's Laughing Man plot and the later half of 2nd GIG's Individual Eleven. I love the mystery and weirdness of those early episodes, like the Laughing Man hacking that police official in the middle of conference and suddenly his face turns into the Laughing Man logo and the episode where Section 9 is fighting multiple assassination attempts who are all inspired by the death threat. I feel that the whole Laughing Man plot falls apart the moment they sent the army after Section 9 and it ends up amounting to a whole lot of nothing in the end. With 2nd GIG, I could care less about the racist nationalists trying to stir up outrage toward Korean refugees, but stuff like creepy-assed Goda and Kuze and the climax made it more interesting. But yeah, the standalone episodes tend to be a helluva a lot better than the serialized stuff.
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Sep 25, 2016 01:23
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phasmid posted:The problem with transhumanism is that its adherents seem to think they are important enough to be worthy of immortality. If anything, these tales are cautionary. Yeah, it attracts those weirdo Silicon Valley technolibertarians like Rob Rhinehart, a guy who wears a brand new nomex flightsuit everyday while trying to huck his Soylent meal replacement poo poo to homeless people; Oculus founder and Trump supporter Palmer Luckey, who has claimed that the early adopters of VR will be poor third-worlders because they have supposedly have more to escape from like poverty and starvation than Westerners; or upcoming vampire overlord, PayPal founder Peter Thiel. phasmid posted:That aside, yeah, the movie is a bit heavy on the "look, Japan!" element, especially since the film is set in Hong Kong for (some dumb reason). It's even of Hong Kong that no longer exists: Kowloon got loving razed in the early '90s, the international airport diverted the air traffic from Kai Tak that made famous all those Hong Kong flyover landings (and air crashes), and the neon signs are largely being replaced by more efficient LED lighting as well as by increasing government regulation. It's akin to making a movie set in future New York today where there's 24-hour grindhouse theaters, open prostitution and drug dealing in post-Giuliani, Disneyified Time Square.
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Sep 25, 2016 05:57
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Renoistic posted:In the manga turning into a cyborg is literally an extreme form of cosmetic surgery. Military cyborgs like the major are in the minority. A whole chapter is dedicated to explaining the process. This while old people who can't afford the process or to retire to somewhere warm are thrown out into the street together with the trash. In the manga, Japan is a welfare state but it's like the worst form of it since the baseline isn't a satisfaction of Maslow's hierarchy of needs, it's you're homeless but not starving. Remember that poo poo I was talking about Soylent and how they want homeless people to eat it? There's a bit in GITS2.0 where a can of...something is dropped down a chute and homeless people fight over it. It's like the end form of that, totally disconnected, "be grateful you slobs have our largess and don't complain"...  phasmid posted:Isn't that where the Solid State Society came in? Iirc it was a bunch of olds who accrued lots of money and piled it together, then kidnapped orphans so they could transfer their "ghosts" in to new hosts. That's what I got anyway. The ending was so weird, I wasn't quite sure how the plot resolved. They implied it was Kuze behind it, but that seems uncharacteristic of him. Also, what a perfect chance to off Togusa in a poignant way...but it's cool that he was a meaningful enough character to keep him around, as unlikely as his salvation was. Actually an aspect of Kusanagi is behind that plot
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Sep 25, 2016 11:41
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phasmid posted:Huh. I didn't take that away from it, so it might be time to re-watch it. I know the V For Vendetta cavalcade of faces that shows when Kusanagi is looking at that guy's blown-off face makes it confusing, but it ends Kusanagi looking at herself. Also, watch the scene where Kusanagi's room of doubles is introduced, because you can see that guy leaving.. It's also a trope that comes up often in the source material rereading through one of the chapters tonight, the unseen South American narcoterrorist "Anaconda" that Section 1 is making deals with Kusanagi's old terrorist enemy is supposedly Kusanagi herself, whom she and Aramaki set up to so as to control terror groups since it's easier to neutralize them that way instead of killing them. Kusanagi-vs.-Kusanagi trope is much more explicit in GITS2.0 - Man Machine Interface, since Motoko Aramaki's literally fighting the Motoko-Puppeteer merged children that she herself is one as well as showing up in ARISE the bomber is supposedly using some sort of software copy of Kusanagi-as-terrorist to become self-radicalized and learn how to make bombs.. phasmid posted:Yeah, even a guy like Shirow who is obviously a real technophile puts in warnings about the future. Generally, there's enough poverty and squalor to be glaring, even if the main characters mostly ignore it. Even relative "nice guys" like Aramaki aren't concerned with such things, either because they're trivial or inevitable under their current way of life. "Appleseed" is a lot more of cautious. He's said that he did his worldbuilding conservatively, otherwise he felt that that world would have blown themselves up and be nothing but cockroaches. The second book is where is probably the best example of that, where the Olympus council of bioroids, genetically-engineered humans with extremely regulated bodies made to serve and help man, essentially decides that humanity isn't worth saving (complete with a bioroid senator that looks a lot like a famous German dictator smiling at the thought) and it's better to force transition them into being bioroids without their consent.
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Sep 25, 2016 18:01
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phasmid posted:You, Young Freud, are the reason that I am going to finally watch Appleseed after twenty years of ignoring it. Oh man, I'd just find the manga. I have not been happy with any Appleseed anime adaptation, TBH. They tend to oversimplify a lot of stuff to a heavy degree. They've also whitewashed the leads: the manga Deunan is specifically mentioned to be an octoroon and "darker than other Caucasians" and Briaeros' original body before being cyborged was I believe North African. Deunan's entire backstory was rewritten to make her more relevant to the plot of the Shinji Aramaki movie and Ex Machina made a clone of Briaeros a white dude. Fake edit: Oh man, rereading that chapter, I forgot how casual racist Deunan was.
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Sep 26, 2016 00:21
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Renoistic posted:Shirow's protags tend to be a bit controversial. The Major has this bit in the manga where she sees a protest against extrajudicial killings and is all 'Those plebs don't know what they're talking about, pathetic'. Kusanagi literally tells a war orphan "BOOTSTRAPS" in the first chapter with the orphanage work center. Renoistic posted:Leona from Tank Police would mow down semi-peaceful protesters on several occasions if her partner weren't actually a sane person. Leona's practically a parody, so I'm dismissive of it.
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Sep 26, 2016 11:50
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Midjack posted:The nonstop quotations are a real turnoff for me. I watched it when it came out, didn't like it, and ignored it until watching it a few months ago. I did like it better this time but still feel like they needed to have a bibliography in the credits. That's actually kind of a joke in that movie. I believe there's at one point that Togusa turns to Batou and admits that neither one would be dropping those quotes if it wasn't for the fact they're subconsciously using their cyberbrains to Google them up to make them look smarter.
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Sep 28, 2016 03:32
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Hollismason posted:It wasn't incomprehensible to read and he's a very good artist. Plus he draws cool future stuff. I just couldn't follow what the gently caress was going on half the time. I was going to ask what issue you had with the book, but that's a legit complaint. They tend to be complex, if not completely convoluted plots. Sometimes you have to reread it to get an idea of what's going on (like the whole "Anaconda" thing I mentioned earlier, but that's because it's a recurring trope in the SAC and ARISE). I feel GITS 1.5 is superior largely because it's shorter and it's stories have to be more quickly resolved. He does action scenes really well: the spider tank fight, in particular, is memorable and you can see why the movie and the TV show love to bring make reference to it. It's no "knife fight from Appleseed", however, which remains Shirow's superior fight scene. Corek posted:The later manga with the crappy CGI looks like Sea Patrol. It's got some interesting ideas, but yeah, the whole execution is blown because of Shirow believing his own hype as well as experimenting with CG. If you look at my history in this thread, I have a complete breakdown comparing the first volume to GITS2.0. Young Freud fucked around with this message at 06:04 on Sep 28, 2016 |
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Sep 28, 2016 06:02
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Apparently, Kenji Kamiyama is hinting that there maybe a third season of the best Ghost In The Shell, GITS: Stand Alone Complex, coming up. http://en.rocketnews24.com/2016/09/26/kenji-kamiyama-teases-ghost-in-the-shell-news/
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Sep 28, 2016 11:37
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Phi230 posted:Hey anime nerds She charges largely to prevent the Section 6 goons from scrapping the body, which they eventually do with the helicopter snip. If Section 9 showed up in full force, either the tank or the guy in the car would deny them reclaiming the Puppet Master's body by destroying it. This actually happens in the manga: when cornered, the Section 6 guys throw an explosive charge into the backseat of the car, shredding the body. Kusanagi ghost-dives into the dying Puppeteer to get the needed information for Section 6's wrongdoing, who then merges with her. Also, the tank also has more than one optics unit. MariusLecter posted:How else would you get the scene of her naked ripping herself apart? Phi230 posted:Except the Helicopters with the snipers arrive like several minutes AFTER Batou shows up and kills the tank. The reason is that Puppet Master's body is dying and that it's not going to be able to hold off the helicopter snipers off forever.
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Sep 28, 2016 23:22
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Phone posted:It's largely irrelevant. In the TV show, they hand wave it by referencing World War 3 (nuclear) and World War 4 being complete and total shitshows that basically leads to the dismantling of the United States. Asia proper and South America both get turbo hosed in the literal fallout, and Japan emerges as a premiere world power because of the Japanese Miracle: nanomachines that scrub radiation. Just to clarify, the TV backstory borrowed heavily from the timeline of Appleseed. I believe there's even two Americas: Imperial Americana and the United Socialist States of America. Then again, a lot of Shirow's stuff borders on being a shared universe, with, discounting the various non-canonical cameos, Poseidon and Seburo making appearance in GITS, Appleseed, and Dominion Tank Police. Phone posted:It's largely left to the viewer/reader to fill in the gaps about Public Security Sections and the larger JSDF and how they may or may not operate within the bounds of Article 9. It's been awhile since I last watched the series, but I know the deployment of Kuze's cybersoldier unit to
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Sep 29, 2016 02:15
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The Laughing Man posted:Nasty fight of Motoko taking on an Armored Suit in classic Ghost in the Shell style. Yeah, that part upset me a bit considering that the whole resolution to that really amounted to nothing: they get arrested anyway, the scandal blows up, the health minister resigns, and the conspiracy goes into collapses, killing a whole bunch of the conspirators in an attempt to cover themselves up. He basically killed that guy for nothing and he knew it. You also need to put in Saito committing a loving war crime shooting a medic in this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-gGZ2rJqfQ If Kamiyama is doing a third series, he really needs to kind of invert the dynamic and have the female prime minister that could justify their actions replaced with someone who uses Section 9 as a personal hit squad, forcing them to do distasteful things like harass activists, beating up journalists, and assassinate political opponents.
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Sep 29, 2016 08:41
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Hakkesshu posted:Why is Arise so bad? I know they recast all the voices, which honestly was kind of a deal-breaker for me since the new ones just seem like bad soundalikes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09hIoAyMSxw
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Golden Goat posted:That is the worst thing I've seen in a while. I know, right? Like isn't a tablet with a physical keyboard like using a telegraph considering their cybernetic brains?
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