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Lurking Haro posted:A jet of super heated steam would be awesome, but would it leave such a huge dent in a steel plate? with enough pressure, yes. now, would something the size of the ikoma' gun be able to generate such a jet without exploding first or throwing ikoma across the room? probably not but this is animu his gun might also work kinda like this thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrgTtZXuj4w Condiv fucked around with this message at 13:28 on May 6, 2016 |
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Near as I can tell, it's a piledriver with a 'jacket' of superheated steam. It pierces and burns/melts at once.
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Darth Walrus posted:Near as I can tell, it's a piledriver with a 'jacket' of superheated steam. It pierces and burns/melts at once. we would've seen the pile part of the piledriver at this point if it were one. remember he blew out that kabane's heart, so the pile driver should've been at least momentarily visible as it pierced that first kabane he killed
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When Ayame is on the ball, she is brilliant at making big dramatic gestures to inspire people around her. And this isn't empty inspiration, this is real self sacrifice to aid those different from you, with the faith that they will reciprocate. This is the big message of the show.
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The moment when the Kabaneri dropped down from the tunnel entrance was amazing. And Mumei was badass as always.
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The sheer stupidity of the opposition faction to give the only master key to the train to a trio of idiots while the train was traveling at high speed through mountainous terrain full of kabane is actually impressive.
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:The moment when the Kabaneri dropped down from the tunnel entrance was amazing. And Mumei was badass as always. Kabaneri are not Kabane!
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RareAcumen posted:Kabaneri are not Kabane! 
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Well, that's one way to raise the stakes. Japan seems to have a thing for this type of threat.
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The titans are made out of Kabane! ... yeah, this was a pretty silly episode, both for the obvious reasons and for forcing Mumei's drama in a pretty hamfisted way.
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Grouchio posted:....What the hell just happened? We found out smoke is bad for you
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Pretty close to giving up on the show at this point, it's clear the show runners don't really know what they're doing. Every bit of drama is the result of someone or some group of people doing something incredibly loving stupid. Every single episode. Random train thugs trying to kill the only people that can protect them, Ayame giving the keys to other thugs, train people not willing to look at Ikoma's new weapon, Ikoma running after Ayame instead of sticking to the plan, everything Mumei did this entire episode, Ikoma not completing his mission etc etc. If you can't get your story to move forward without everyone being pants on head morons, then you're doing a pretty lovely job.
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yeah this show had a pretty cool first second episode but they've all seemed pretty poor since then
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It's gettin all Clive Barker up in here.
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The drama is dumb, but at least the setting is relatively novel and interesting.wielder posted:Well, that's one way to raise the stakes. Japan seems to have a thing for this type of threat. I imagine it's meant to emulate the sort of structures ants can form due to their hive mind. Making something more limb or humanoid shaped is basically a creative extension of that sort of idea.
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Like I've said before, I've never expected this show to be smart and sophisticated. All of the stuff we're seeing is relatively standard for a zombie apocalypse and/or action-oriented anime setup. That said, I didn't feel this was a misstep. In fact, I was afraid they'd make Mumei far too overpowered and not come up with ways of making the Kabane threatening to her and Ikoma. Folks may prefer to always see Mumei being cool and strong rather than showing any sign of self-doubt or vulnerability, but I actually didn't mind that at all. If I had to criticize that angle, I'd call it merely "predictable" rather than inherently "dumb" at the end of the day. Given Mumei's juvenile attitude and the fact she has been doing the whole "kill all the zombies" thing for an unspecified amount of time, most of the elements for something like that to happen were already on the table. We were just lacking a trigger that would make her careless enough. I still wouldn't call her behavior during this episode "brilliant" or anything, but I think the hints they're revealing about her past made it easier to understand. wielder fucked around with this message at 04:55 on May 13, 2016 |
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Really, everyone's actions and attitudes so far are appropriate for their personalities and situation, with Mumei's apparent coolness being a result of her immaturity and everything about Ikoma being the result of the massive chip on his shoulder. I think some of you might be expecting way, way too much hard logic from a bunch of steampunk peasants trapped in a steel coffin.
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I liked this episode and nearly crapped my pants at the end of it.
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Don't you go expecting anything great from this anime you goofballs. Lower those expectations in advance and you won't be caught off guard when this anime Heroes itself.
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So ikoma invented new weapons that mumei already had the whole time.
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RareAcumen posted:Don't you go expecting anything great from this anime you goofballs. Lower those expectations in advance and you won't be caught off guard when this anime Heroes itself. I rarely expect greatness from anime anymore. Pleasant surprises are what I live for.
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.Clash posted:So ikoma invented new weapons that mumei already had the whole time. Mumei came into the village like two days before it got totally wrecked.
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.Clash posted:So ikoma invented new weapons that mumei already had the whole time. Mumei probably has no idea how her stuff works, anyways. And it's not like the others had the time or opportunity to reverse-engineer her weapons.
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.Clash posted:So ikoma invented new weapons that mumei already had the whole time. I doubt Munmei understood how it worked. Ikoma did though. Afaict, it's steam pressure and possibly gunpowder launched shells that explode on impact compared to their previous method of bullets launched by steam and/or gunpowder The blade thing makes me assume that the kabane's heart cage is made out of a stronger metal, but coating their swords with the same metal wouldn't do much beyond make their swords more rigid due to the increased strength. The amount force needed to cut through it would still need to be increased to overcome the tensile strength of the metal. I might be a little off, but I believe that's how it would work based on my engineering knowledge.
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Xelkelvos posted:I doubt Munmei understood how it worked. Ikoma did though. Afaict, it's steam pressure and possibly gunpowder launched shells that explode on impact compared to their previous method of bullets launched by steam and/or gunpowder Yeah, giving the swords a stronger edge isn't going to be enough. They need to be performing iaido slashes so fast that they break the sound barrier.
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Uh I mean that someone else made her weapons and decided not to share this game changing technology with the rest of future past japan.
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.Clash posted:Uh I mean that someone else made her weapons and decided not to share this game changing technology with the rest of future past japan.
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Kyte posted:Stations are quite isolated and there's no method from long-distance communication aside from sending a messenger. The logistics are difficult enough that you don't need to assume negligence or malicious intent. Given that there looks to also be a political subplot on the horizon, malicious intent may actually be a possibility.
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I get the sense that Mumei's equipment is special. Even wherever she's from there probably aren't very many Kabaneri because you need to be bitten within a short distance of an industrial autoerotic asphyxiation machine. My assumption is that she's using the same fundamental technology as everyone's guns did before Ikoma's upgrades, just turned up to the point where it's not practical to mass produce them. Mumei hosed up this episode but it's mostly understandable. She at least appears to be pretty young and she's got something to prove. I don't have a problem with how Ikoma reacted, though, he's not a calculating sort of person. e: Oh and the corpse golem was just silly. Desuwa fucked around with this message at 08:49 on May 13, 2016 |
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basically the government knows the secrets of the zombies, but are unwilling to let their weapons proliferate lest the population become independent and stop paying allegiance
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Shakugan posted:Pretty close to giving up on the show at this point, it's clear the show runners don't really know what they're doing. Every bit of drama is the result of someone or some group of people doing something incredibly loving stupid. Every single episode. Random train thugs trying to kill the only people that can protect them, Ayame giving the keys to other thugs, train people not willing to look at Ikoma's new weapon, Ikoma running after Ayame instead of sticking to the plan, everything Mumei did this entire episode, Ikoma not completing his mission etc etc. Literally all of these things make perfect sense in the context of the setting.
Context is really important for understanding why characters act the way they do and I haven't seen any really egregious "the way this character is acting makes no sense" problems.
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Kanos posted:Literally all of these things make perfect sense in the context of the setting. quoting this because a significant portion of the audience seems to be incapable of mentally modelling the characters to understand their behaviours like you can criticise most of the characters are huge stereotypes with all their cards on the table, but at least most of their actions are consistent
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Yeah I don't understand people not digging the show. I dig it. So yeah. Go zombie man.
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Thank you, Kanos.
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Kanos posted:Literally all of these things make perfect sense in the context of the setting. Actually, Ikoma only saved her out of spite. Spite is all that's keeping him going right now. As soon as he becomes a celebrated, thanked and appreciated hero, *snaps fingers* instant Kabane. All that's keeping him running right now is spite and blood. He's going to cure Kabane-ism and blow his head off immediately afterwards, flipping everyone off while he does it. Everything else is cool, good, and correct, however.
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Kanos posted:Context is really important for understanding why characters act the way they do and I haven't seen any really egregious "the way this character is acting makes no sense" problems. I envy your patience; good post.
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Kanos posted:Literally all of these things make perfect sense in the context of the setting. Can you explain the steam powered bow-and-arrow, then? This episode was much better than the last, but I still find myself getting annoyed by minor aspects of the setting, certain character actions, and the fact that everyone feels a pathological need to act like a badass and destroy potentially useful armor every time they want to go through a portal. And yeah, even while I'm critical of the series, I thought Mumei's actions in this episode were realistic, even if they didn't necessarily "make sense" when looked at from a distant perspective.
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So this is basically Medieval Deadspace in Japan.
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Kytrarewn posted:Can you explain the steam powered bow-and-arrow, then? It looks like basically a more primitive version of the steam guns; steam pressure assists in pushing a projectile forward at drastically higher speed than manual human muscle power and bow tension could achieve. It's probably not in common use among the bushi because it would be harder to train people to use it than simply teaching them to use a gun, and it's probably not as powerful because instead of the big backpack steam pressure units that the steam guns have it just has a smallish pressure chamber on the limb of the bow itself. As for why you would need to draw an arrow instead of just slotting it in and pulling the trigger, it could be an aerodynamic/flight stability thing, or it could be to help improve the accuracy because you don't have a rifled barrel to aim. (The real answer is that this show is Clockwork Steampunk to its very marrow while also being Romanticized Feudal Japan as gently caress, and a stereotypical martial noblewoman in Anime Feudal Japan would use a bow and a naginata, so she has a ridiculous nonsensical clockwork bow).
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