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les fleurs du mall
Jun 30, 2014

by LadyAmbien
It's in the nature of opinions - they can't be wrong.

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treasure bear
Dec 10, 2012

wrong, here in debate and discussion people have been arguing away so we don't have to, soon a unanimous decision will be reached and and all the correct opinions will be published

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Juffo-Wup
Jan 13, 2005

Pillbug
Do you mean that opinions cannot be false, or that it cannot be morally wrong to hold a particular opinion?

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth

les fleurs du mall posted:

It's in the nature of opinions - they can't be wrong.

Except yours. Yours are the only opinions to be objectively wrong.

Juffo-Wup
Jan 13, 2005

Pillbug
Can beliefs be wrong? What is the relation between a belief and a corresponding opinion?

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

Dashing? But I'm not even moving!


That's just like your etc etc.

Juffo-Wup
Jan 13, 2005

Pillbug
If opinions can't be false, does that also mean they can't be true? And if so, then what are the sorts of things that can have truth values? Propositions maybe? And if I hold an opinion about a true proposition (Call it P) that it is false, then does it follow that it is neither true nor false that P is false? Or does that sort of thing not count as a genuine opinion? And if not, then what is a paradigmatic example of an opinion?

crowoutofcontext
Nov 12, 2006

Opinions are supported by facts, which can be false or true. If you prove most of the facts that support an opinion as false, the opinion will turn red. Keep at it, until the opinion has no health left, and the opinion will die.

Control Volume
Dec 31, 2008

Who What Now posted:

Except yours. Yours are the only opinions to be objectively wrong.

Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, your opinion, man.

rudatron
May 31, 2011

by Fluffdaddy
I appreciate that you're creating threads. Unfortunately opinions can be wrong, as in not true. But I guess you're half true, if you understand wrong as 'knowable untrue', since nothing can really be known about anything you can call an opinion, because facts require empiricism and observation, which cannot give perfect knowledge. Imho.

woke wedding drone
Jun 1, 2003

by exmarx
Fun Shoe

les fleurs du mall posted:

It's in the nature of opinions - they can't be wrong.

This is the only opinion that's objectively wrong.

MaxxBot
Oct 6, 2003

you could have clapped

you should have clapped!!

les fleurs du mall posted:

It's in the nature of opinions - they can't be wrong.

That's just like, just your opinion, man

Juffo-Wup
Jan 13, 2005

Pillbug

rudatron posted:

I appreciate that you're creating threads. Unfortunately opinions can be wrong, as in not true. But I guess you're half true, if you understand wrong as 'knowable untrue', since nothing can really be known about anything you can call an opinion, because facts require empiricism and observation, which cannot give perfect knowledge. Imho.

I tend to think that if an account of knowledge entails that we don't have any (or, more narrowly, that our best scientific efforts couldn't hope to produce it), that's pretty much a reductio ad absurdum for that account of knowledge.

If you're still uncomfortable calling the results of empirical science 'knowledge,' then let me propose that whenever our best attempts at applying the scientific method result in an accurate mind-to-world fit, call that mind-world-method relation 'schmawledge.' Then we can both be happy.

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth

SedanChair posted:

This is the only opinion that's objectively wrong.

Beat you too it, Hoss

Who What Now posted:

Except yours. Yours are the only opinions to be objectively wrong.

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

Dashing? But I'm not even moving!


Who What Now posted:

Beat you too it, Hoss

:mad:

Doc Hawkins posted:

That's just like your etc etc.

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

Dashing? But I'm not even moving!


As the famous saying goes: "Opinions are like assholes, OP is one."

woke wedding drone
Jun 1, 2003

by exmarx
Fun Shoe

Who What Now posted:

Beat you too it, Hoss

No yours is all of his opinions are wrong. Mine is only that one is wrong. But if that's your opinion, you're right.

Grundulum
Feb 28, 2006

Doc Hawkins posted:

As the famous saying goes: "Opinions are like assholes, OP is one."

This thread is going places.

Freakazoid_
Jul 5, 2013


Buglord
If an opinion can't be wrong, then it also can't be right. Law of opposites, my friend.

crowoutofcontext
Nov 12, 2006

opine is one of my least favorite words.

If I may opine on this issue...

Pinch Me Im Meming
Jun 26, 2005
OP
OPinion
makes you think.

crowoutofcontext
Nov 12, 2006

oh, pinion

Jesus Christ
Jun 1, 2000

mods if you can make this my avatar I will gladly pay 10bux to the coffers

treasure bear posted:

wrong, here in debate and discussion people have been arguing away so we don't have to, soon a unanimous decision will be reached and and all the correct opinions will be published

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)


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Type	Date	Horrible Jerk	Punishment Reason	Requested By	Approved By
PROBATION	04/23/16 08:12am	treasure bear	Forums metacommentary. User loses posting privileges for 3 days.	Exclamation Marx	Lowtax

I would like to start a channel of discourse regarding forums metacommentary.

First off:

What is forums metacommentary?

Jesus Christ fucked around with this message at 14:58 on Apr 23, 2016

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth

Jesus Christ posted:

I would like to start a channel of discourse regarding forums metacommentary.

First off:

What is forums metacommentary?

Mostly GBS posters whining that D&D is too liberal.

Jesus Christ
Jun 1, 2000

mods if you can make this my avatar I will gladly pay 10bux to the coffers

Who What Now posted:

Mostly GBS posters whining that D&D is too liberal.

I thought D&D was basically just the blowhard forum?

Rush Limbo
Sep 5, 2005

its with a full house

Jesus Christ posted:

I thought D&D was basically just the blowhard forum?

In GBS they all blow pretty hard so idk

Armani
Jun 22, 2008

Now it's been 17 summers since I've seen my mother

But every night I see her smile inside my dreams

Jesus Christ posted:

I thought D&D was basically just the blowhard forum?

Jesus Christ, your avatar :psyduck:

OniPanda
May 13, 2004

OH GOD BEAR




Juffo-Wup posted:

If opinions can't be false, does that also mean they can't be true? And if so, then what are the sorts of things that can have truth values? Propositions maybe? And if I hold an opinion about a true proposition (Call it P) that it is false, then does it follow that it is neither true nor false that P is false? Or does that sort of thing not count as a genuine opinion? And if not, then what is a paradigmatic example of an opinion?

If Not P, then Q

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





Who What Now posted:

Mostly GBS posters whining that D&D is too liberal.

Huh, that's a step down from saying that D&D is full of communists.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Venomous posted:

Huh, that's a step down from saying that D&D is full of communists.

D&D is disproportionately full of communists.

Juffo-Wup
Jan 13, 2005

Pillbug

OniPanda posted:

If Not P, then Q

I don't understand what you're trying to say.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

got those happy feet

I like butts. That is my opinion.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Blue Footed Booby posted:

I like butts. That is my opinion.

But is that falsifiable?

Or, can you not lie about liking butts?

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth

Blue Footed Booby posted:

I like butts. That is my opinion.

Boobs are better. That's a fact.

Rappaport
Oct 2, 2013

Who What Now posted:

Boobs are better. That's a fact.

Look at how wrong this guy is. Like, he managed in so few words to so perfectly encapsulate the counter-argument to the premise in the OP, it's ridiculous.

Or is it profound wisdom? Stay tuned, good goons!

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

My understanding of supply side economics tells me that factually, boobs are approximately twice as valuable as butts.

OniPanda
May 13, 2004

OH GOD BEAR




Juffo-Wup posted:

I don't understand what you're trying to say.

Shameful. Draw out the entire truth table then try again

Juffo-Wup
Jan 13, 2005

Pillbug

OniPanda posted:

Shameful. Draw out the entire truth table then try again

Are you just saying P -> (~P -> Q)? Because that's true, if somewhat boring, and my point was that I don't see the relevance.

But probably it's my fault for posting without irony in what is clearly a joke thread. Oops.

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth

Juffo-Wup posted:

Are you just saying P -> (~P -> Q)? Because that's true, if somewhat boring, and my point was that I don't see the relevance.

But probably it's my fault for posting without irony in what is clearly a joke thread. Oops.

Excuse me, but I do not appreciate you insinuating that this thread for determining the superiority of people's opinions vis-à-vis topics such as rear end vs titties is not serious.

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Juffo-Wup
Jan 13, 2005

Pillbug
Sorry I'm a jerk

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