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weird, the guy who shot a major gay club up during pride week was a homophobe? I dunno he's got a funny name, pretty sure this is an elaborate ISIS plot. You know what they say at terrorist camp, strike the gays and the nation crumbles...
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50 dead. This is officially the worst mass shooting in US history by a pretty large margin.
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Jun 12, 2016 16:02
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So this is what it feels like to read about a hate crime being committed against people like you 
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unwantedplatypus posted:So this is what it feels like to read about a hate crime being committed against people like you I should be numb to mass shootings at this point, but this one is really getting to me.
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Jun 12, 2016 17:05
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With the flames of homophobia and transphobia being fanned ever more in some parts of the US, it was sadly only a matter of time before something like this happened. I hope all the assholes who were wringing their hands about trans people in washrooms and similar things realize they have blood on their hands after this incident.
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That would require self awareness that their homophobia and transphobia shares a common thread with that of others.
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Jun 12, 2016 17:08
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Guavanaut posted:That would require self awareness This is all that really needed to be said.
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Was in a gay bar last night after visiting the Philly trans health conference and being in the dyke march. I even got to carry a sign. We got a super positive reaction along the way then I wake up to this news. Im going back to bed.
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the moose posted:Was in a gay bar last night after visiting the Philly trans health conference and being in the dyke march. Did you hold back the flood waters? 
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Jun 12, 2016 18:34
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PT6A posted:With the flames of homophobia and transphobia being fanned ever more in some parts of the US, it was sadly only a matter of time before something like this happened. I hope all the assholes who were wringing their hands about trans people in washrooms and similar things realize they have blood on their hands after this incident. Luckily for them, in this case they can blame Islam instead. Some other people care more about the feelings and rights of guns
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Jun 12, 2016 19:11
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Guy was pulled over in LA with firearms and tannerite, supposedly heading to the Pride festival. You can speculate from there...
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Jun 12, 2016 19:21
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"See, Libs? Those muslims hate your precious queers just as much as we do! You should be discriminating against them like us!"
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hackbunny posted:Luckily for them, in this case they can blame Islam instead. Some other people care more about the feelings and rights of guns I think I'll blame both, and the easy availability of guns in the US too.
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the moose posted:Was in a gay bar last night after visiting the Philly trans health conference and being in the dyke march. I even got to carry a sign. We got a super positive reaction along the way then I wake up to this news. Im going back to bed. Given the proximity of PTHC to Philly Dyke March, I'm surprised you didn't get TERFs picketing it like they did to the last Dyke March that happened in London two years ago. Then again, PTHC is mostly a smorgasbord of nightly orgies and bad panels, not a hub of trans activism. 
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TinTower posted:Given the proximity of PTHC to Philly Dyke March, I'm surprised you didn't get TERFs picketing it like they did to the last Dyke March that happened in London two years ago. Philly Dyke March was very trans inclusive. I was surprised, I was afraid we might be pushed to the edge but half the chants were for trans inclusion and I got to carry a MTF sign that they provided. I have yet to meet any TERFs. Of course I haven't really been looking for them either. My one friend who is a bit more active and observant of those kind of things did not see any either, so if they were there they were marginalized enough that none of us noticed them. I did not go to any of the panels so I don't know if they were any good, none of the ones on Saturday looked interesting when I was there. Missed out on the orgies too.
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TinTower posted:Given the proximity of PTHC to Philly Dyke March, I'm surprised you didn't get TERFs picketing it like they did to the last Dyke March that happened in London two years ago. They'd have a hell of a time managing that with the weather we had throughout the conference. Let alone the convention center security.
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fishmech posted:They'd have a hell of a time managing that with the weather we had throughout the conference. Let alone the convention center security. God Hates TERFs
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I know I'm probably just kneejerking, but... I'm not the only one who wants loving vengeance for this poo poo, right? e: like, gun laws will put a band-aid on the problem, but they won't cure the societal sickness at the root of things like this. We need Stonewall all over again, times a hundred. We need to make it goddamn clear that we're not going to let ourselves be easy targets.
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Jun 12, 2016 20:41
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:I know I'm probably just kneejerking, but... I'm not the only one who wants loving vengeance for this poo poo, right? The shooter is dead. What do you think we should do?
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Jun 12, 2016 20:43
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Artificer posted:The shooter is dead. What do you think we should do? Vote Trump, clearly. I've seen some of my activist friends talking about how this is a demonstration of the fact that we were not meant to survive and that we don't belong here. I'm not quite sure what the next step is after abetting in your own otherization and exclusion but I'm sure it's really stupid.
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Jun 12, 2016 20:43
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Badger of Basra posted:Vote Trump, clearly. ...er, I think Trump would have serious beef with the suggestion I edited in
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:I know I'm probably just kneejerking, but... I'm not the only one who wants loving vengeance for this poo poo, right? You're not, but in the end, what are you going to do? Bomb some civilians, launch a pogrom against Muslims who had nothing to do with this? That's no good. I hope we find Al-Baghdadi or whoever's leading ISIS and pull his fingernails out with pliers just because, but it's not like we weren't looking for him in the first place.
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:I know I'm probably just kneejerking, but... I'm not the only one who wants loving vengeance for this poo poo, right? There is no way to imagine this that does not end with Muslims being assaulted on the streets
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:I know I'm probably just kneejerking, but... I'm not the only one who wants loving vengeance for this poo poo, right? well he's dead so who are you gonna get vengeance on?
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Jun 12, 2016 20:48
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Tatum Girlparts posted:well he's dead so who are you gonna get vengeance on? quote:We need Stonewall all over again, times a hundred. what do you think I was saying with this sentence, because the intended meaning is "next time anything remotely similar to this happens, we start beating the gently caress out of straight cis people, regardless of race or religion." or poo poo, don't even wait for a next time, do it now. I'm not buying the radical-Islam explanation, this is just straight-up homophobia at work. and as long as we're viewed as weak by these types, this'll keep happening. so we need to get better at their game than they are. (again, I'm probably kneejerking. I literally just got out of bed and saw this poo poo. but I'm angry as all hell about it.)
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Badger of Basra posted:Vote Trump, clearly.
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:I know I'm probably just kneejerking, but... I'm not the only one who wants loving vengeance for this poo poo, right? It's human to want revenge. It's also never been a good idea, and if the gay community gets a reputation for violent activity even if it's only for reprisals, it'll loose most of its external support; like it or not, the majority is never comfortable with minorities advocating violence.
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:I know I'm probably just kneejerking, but... I'm not the only one who wants loving vengeance for this poo poo, right? If by Stonewall x 1000 you mean massive political protest against homophobia and insane levels of access to incredibly deadly weapons, I'm down. (I also don't personally qualify that as vengeance, but whatever you want to call it.) If you mean VENGEANCE as in direct, personal violence as revenge, then I sympathize but it's time to sit down and watch an afterschool special about how violence only begets violence. We can do better than adopting the tactics of anyone who consider us their enemy.
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the moose posted:Philly Dyke March was very trans inclusive. I was surprised, I was afraid we might be pushed to the edge but half the chants were for trans inclusion and I got to carry a MTF sign that they provided. I have yet to meet any TERFs. Of course I haven't really been looking for them either. My one friend who is a bit more active and observant of those kind of things did not see any either, so if they were there they were marginalized enough that none of us noticed them. London Dyke March got picketed because it was trans-inclusive. The picket was literally four people who got shouted down by the rest of the march, though, so it was fine. quote:I did not go to any of the panels so I don't know if they were any good, none of the ones on Saturday looked interesting when I was there. Missed out on the orgies too. There was the "intersex pretenders" panel which only happened because the woman doing it was apparently on the organising committee. Previous crappy panels included the trans guy complaining last year that having male privilege was so hard, and also the infamous "Gender Blended at Burning Man and Beyond" panel from 2012.
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Combed Thunderclap posted:If by Stonewall x 1000 you mean massive political protest against homophobia and insane levels of access to incredibly deadly weapons, I'm down. (I also don't personally qualify that as vengeance, but whatever you want to call it.) This. I had the exact same reaction when I woke up, but vengeance will get jack and poo poo done for us. Besides, uh, my entire family and most of my friends are straight cis people, and they all have my back today. Please don't hurt them.
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:what do you think I was saying with this sentence, because the intended meaning is "next time anything remotely similar to this happens, we start beating the gently caress out of straight cis people, regardless of race or religion." or poo poo, don't even wait for a next time, do it now. 1) It's morally wrong to use violence to send a message 2) We're a small minority lol if you think we'd win in violent confrontation 3) The correct solution is to get pissed and channel that anger into activism and protest.
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:I know I'm probably just kneejerking, but... I'm not the only one who wants loving vengeance for this poo poo, right? You're not Artificer posted:The shooter is dead. What do you think we should do? Harass his family? Burn him in effigy? Deface the corpse? Storm the morgue, steal the corpse, use it as a prop at the first available pride parade? Just spitballing Rollofthedice posted:There is no way to imagine this that does not end with Muslims being assaulted on the streets Nothing will happen to Muslims because it wasn't people who died, just faggots
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Something could happen to Muslims because they're already a minority distrusted by the General population. It's important to separate Islamic scripture and teaching, from Muslim people. Was the shooter influenced by Islam? Probably. was this the work of the Islamic community in Orlando? No
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Jun 12, 2016 21:27
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Artificer posted:The shooter is dead. What do you think we should do? Bury him upside down in a bedazzled, hot pink spray-painted dumpster filled with diarrhea. Also broadcast this on live TV.
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Jun 12, 2016 21:33
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If we are going to get political with this, then lets push the non-discrimination laws. Hard. If the GOP cares SO MUCH about us now, then let them know that's what we want.
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:what do you think I was saying with this sentence, because the intended meaning is "next time anything remotely similar to this happens, we start beating the gently caress out of straight cis people, regardless of race or religion." or poo poo, don't even wait for a next time, do it now. "We start beating the gently caress out of straight cis people" wasn't Stonewall, and how dare you invoke that while literally supporting the loving crazy strawperson that revisionists have tried to pretend it was. Stonewall's anger was directed at the people, you know, actively going into their clubs and poo poo. Like, maybe use this anger to actually get involved instead of pining for the gay civil war which spoiler alert we'd lose p. bad. Like, fuckin hell man black people can't even have a protest saying 'maybe stop murdering us so bad' without tear gas and police rear end beatings, you think we can just decide it's the fuckin hetro Purge?
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:"next time anything remotely similar to this happens, we start beating the gently caress out of straight cis people, regardless of race or religion." or poo poo, don't even wait for a next time, do it now. hackbunny posted:Harass his family? Burn him in effigy? Deface the corpse? Storm the morgue, steal the corpse, use it as a prop at the first available pride parade? Just spitballing Yardbomb posted:Bury him upside down in a bedazzled, hot pink spray-painted dumpster filled with diarrhea. There is not a human on this earth who would see such a thing and interpret it as strength. Do you think there is someone who, upon seeing Omar's corpse hung high, would change their mind about committing such an act? Or is it much more likely to fuel their own desire for violence? I consider Norway's response to Breivik (and the fact that he still lives) a true indication of their strength and courage. This is a result of the historic acceptance of homophobic culture in America. The only 'vengeance' to be had is for this tragedy to be remembered as a display of the importance of LGBT acceptance and unity. BigRed0427 posted:If we are going to get political with this, then lets push the non-discrimination laws. Hard. Right. Revenge will be found by using this event to further the cause, not by using this event to justify violence, fear, or xenophobia. Atoramos fucked around with this message at 22:00 on Jun 12, 2016 |
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Badger of Basra posted:Vote Trump, clearly. How the gently caress does some nutter going and murdering a bunch of gay people constitute some kind of natural selection?
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Atoramos posted:There is not a human on this earth who would see such a thing and interpret it as strength. gently caress em, it's not about strength in my suggestion, it's about "I hope he's rotting in some hell or another" more. Also Breivik should've sprayed his own brains on some trees and saved the people over there even the smallest amount of time and money. Though it would've been nicer if he'd also opted to do that before he shot anyone else in the first place. Tatum Girlparts posted:we were all 13 once and thought Judge Dredd was the hero Neither, but murderous bigots still deserve to go to whichever hell regardless of anything. I'm just being an angry idiot on the internet right now. Yardbomb fucked around with this message at 22:20 on Jun 12, 2016 |
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