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Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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evilweasel posted:

I haven't done any of the stuff you accused me of, but you're the one running interference for dj right now on it. I can back up the stuff i'm saying and have, you on the other hand jumped in to run intoerference for your spacebuddy and were wrong, threw a snit in response and decided to accuse me personally of vile poo poo. So get hosed.

Uba whatever / unfunny poster has been disingenuous about this poo poo since he first showed up on SA trying to nail himself to a cross about his own purported doxxing. I asked him about that by PM back then, and not in a hostile way either. But he tried to turn even a PM convo into a umad / concern troll on me. So that's the kind of balls-less forum warrior you're dealing with, and honestly you shouldn't even waste your time.


Really, what kind of person spends months yelling digi doxxed me! to every eve-related site that he can type a post on, then turns around and does a goalpost moving defense like that? Holy poo poo.

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Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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DisgracelandUSA posted:

Except now the game of whack a mole will only have one hole. Also, hostile entities, the kind that own sov (lol), rarely use t1 freighters. Only John Q Publord hauling a his belongings from Jita to Rens to make a new life in his new highsec mission Corp.

E: and that meta that provides? It already shifted to bulkheads.
only took how many years since the freighter got lowslots?


I generally agree with JFs being too safe, but I'd fall much more into the camp of cynoing into docking radius is the problem -- which is true for all caps but JFs are the ones that really abuse it by teleporting from station to station. I see the stupid watch list has finally been fixed, so that removed a weapon against cap pilots. Now the balance should swing back against a thing that makes their lives too easy.

How do cynos work with the new citadels? Can you cyno right next to them as well?

Also, someone fill me in on these destroyers with the aoe microjump stuff, like any weird edge effects. Can they move a cyno ship? Does a scram on a secondary ship stop them from getting jumped with it? Do they work on anything or are capships "too big" to be bounced?

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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Zephyrine posted:

The more it costs the fewer forms of industry becomes viable in remote locations. What do I care if I make 400 million in a single trip. If that's the only trip I'm making this week?

I think our efficiency peaked when people were literally building T1 battlecruisers in north west Deklein and we could export them to Jita and they could be sold at a profit.

JF services would still be super valuable at prices way higher than they have been recently. Hell, in the past they were easily 5 or even 10 times the cost per m3 and we still shipped hulls by the hundreds (or entire JF loads of compressed minerals). It was just that it was all going in the other direction because all industry & mining was in highsec.


CCP clearly wants the game to be more localized. I even agree with that more or less. Shipping an entire market's worth of T1 battlecruisers is dumb, doesn't matter whether it's importing or exporting. I just think their game design for that goal has been poor, and the order in which they've implemented things wrong. One step for the eventual goal of local self-sufficient groups is gonna have to be a reduction in shipping.

It just has to be done in a clever and gradual way, rather than a dumb blunt instrument like jump fatigue.

Klyith fucked around with this message at 01:03 on May 15, 2016

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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Zephyrine posted:

I'd rather rejoin the swarm

:catstare: holy poo poo are you for real?

Zephyrine posted:

and just "Live and let live" with the people I couldn't get along with. :smith:

so the people you don't get along with in your new home, are you going to post a bunch of stuff about awful they are? :allears: :allears: :allears: :irony:

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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Landsknecht posted:

Say what you want, but going :fuckgoons: (why isn't this a thing?) is much more honest than coming back on your stomach.

Eh, there are lots of ways to go fuckgoons and infinite reasons. Some of the time both sides apologize and have make up sex, sometimes the goonfucker grovels and admits he stole all that money cause he was bored and here it is back.



Zeph, you write a lot of posts justifying yourself about how you weren't a goonfucker. There is a long record of of people that did go fuckgoons and were let back in, and there will be others in the future. the reason they get forgiven is that they do their thing in a moment of anger or stupidity and then have the courtesy to :frogout: for a while.

time heals all wounds, but the unspoken requirement is that you stay the gently caress away from the person you've had a fight with. also the time required is generally more than a month or two.

(Also turning on people while the chips are down really is as bad or worse than goonfucking in the culture of goonfleet.)

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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Zephyrine posted:

Hi. Welcome back. Fess up.

This is rapidly approaching the end stage of the goon in a well checklist.

Zephyrine posted:

I'm an easy target to begin with.

You're not an easy target, you're daffy duck yelling shoot me shoot me to this thread

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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LiteraryDouble posted:

gigx, vince, ron

gently caress, marry, kill?

checkbox


tickets to the gunt show posted:

no strings attached?

god how I wish all these people had no strings attached.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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Entoloma posted:

Why do all the people who go "gently caress goons" end up gravitating towards PL et al? I've been playing EVE for a while now, quietly following this thread since, and I'm in GSF.

For people who've been around a long time, PL still have that old buddy feel. They were our main ally for quite a few years through a lot of crazy times. Really the thing that drove us apart as much as anything was that there was no one left to fight but each other.

Also PL is the only other big org that had both the "do what you want" ethos and is successful on the big stage. Other groups have one or the other.

Entoloma posted:

Now I am completely lost.

I was saying if you rejoined the alliance, you would join Karmafleet or Ascendance and you should help out new people in the alliance as penance, So like helping out with information, their fleets, helping them with logistics. All the stuff new people don't anything about. And do so in a way that doesn't make them feel like idiots.

I believe in giving people second chances, but that is up to the powers that be.

You are talking to someone who upgraded a somewhat acrimonious departure into ~enemy of the state~ status by feeding the world's biggest persecution complex.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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learnincurve posted:

lol you guys seem to have gone full circle and morphed into BoB. "how dare you disrespect us! Thou shalt never darken our door again! We demand apologies and penance for your outrageous actions!1!!"

a :shobon: who is trying to be nice is suggesting penance because he is a good guy and thinks a change of heart is enough.

Everyone else in the thread falls into one of three sets:
* leadership pissed off by her being a propaganda piece at the time when enemies were trying to finish the job of killing us off by getting members to revolt against them
* loyal goons pissed off by the turncoating to panfam when everybody else was getting camped in Saranen, then trying to come back as soon as things improve (and maybe she's honest that she wanted to come back earlier but the optics are still terrible)
* everyone else pissed off that she can't take a hint even when bricked on the head with it


if goons cared about ~respect~ we wouldn't like syndic or deadtear

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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Zephyrine posted:

Any regular in this thread can confirm my first bid to get back in right when the Delve move was announced.

as soon as the Delve move was announced was when things started to turn around. if you'd had the change of heart back when things were at their worst, well, you still wouldn't have gotten in due to the propaganda thing but at least it wouldn't look so despicable.

Discussion Quorum posted:

* the people who just scroll past it all because holy poo poo we've spent so many pages on this petty slapfight that it's like turning on the TV, only to see endless reruns of a show that you didn't like anyways

well sure, but I doubt the endless pages of Zephtalk is making her more likable. the hint that's bouncing off her head is to go away for a while, because this behavior is not improving her situation.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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4th Horseman posted:

You guys are risk averse as heck

except when it comes to arena boundaries

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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As long as everyone is honest about how they're asking for money, and it's totally optional, why does it really matter to you? You say "monetizing the alliance" as if they're gonna start putting mandatory video ads in the paplinks, or tried to make people sign up without telling them what it was about.

I got no problem with jeffraider being a guy of importance in PL and running a twitch channel, I got no problem with mittani running his various media endeavors. Yeah he probably spends more time being a media mogul than he does doing GSF CEO stuff, but if he had a 9-5 that wouldn't be any different.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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Zephyrine posted:

I would reference all the accusations of shilling games as "community events" like the H1Z1 invasion through TMC but I don't have the figures and for all I know Mittens collected a few bucks and just it thought it was a neat idea for the community :eng99:

Again, optional. If mittens did collect direct kickbacks from daybreak for the H1Z1 thing, it's kinda bad that he didn't say so. For one thing, it's a violation of FCC advertising laws, same thing as some youtubers and instagram-famous people have gotten in trouble for. since he's a legal beagle lets hope he would have known about that.

OTOH if the only "sponsorship" was the free item, and the only bucks mittani got were because it generated hours of content for twitch, then what?

cravius posted:

It sucks to feel like the cool gaming guild you're in is now being used to line someones pocket.

Maybe it would feel much less suck if the product was better? (That would be my main complaint. I'd probably be giving my free prime bucks to someone else if I watched twitch streams.)

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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Oodles posted:

So are there going to be reaction complexes too? I've not been following the development on this as much as I probably should have.

yeah, and moon drills and research labs. also possibly some all-new things like structures that muck with intel (turn local on or off, maybe a decloaking function) or player-owned billboards. then eventually stargates, assuming the F2P helps eve survive another 3 years.





what I find really interesting is that they're stopping new outposts from being built this december. That's moved the schedule way up from the original plan circa early-2015 when they first detailed structure plans.

I feel like when they decided on & implemented 100% asset safety it changed some of their ideas for how they'd phase out POSes and outposts. They're probably gonna be much more ruthless about deleting outposts much sooner.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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Spice World War II posted:

This is gonna be the "oh it's fine we'll defend pure blind by force projection from deklein la la la" of this year's winter expansion and then there's daily adm fleets six months later and suddenly moa owns pure blind

i should hope that after being proved incredibly wrong the first time, nobody will be standing up in front of upcoming changes saying we will become undefeatable this time around.

especially when the other big changes recently have been round-robin buffs to caps & supers.

Spice World War II posted:

The automated defense of POS, and more importantly, the considerable EHP mean that shitlers need an actual fleet and sort of an FC to attack

shitlers who can barely reach the bar of "has a FC" don't seem like what we need to worry about, even with a something with less defense ability than a POS? It's not like being able to blow up a weakly defended POS is something only a few groups can do. We could bring back reavers and do the exact same thing to other people.

I think what we need to worry about is PL deciding to coathanger every supercap in build they can find, and doing the boot stomping on human face forever thing. They could do it. It would ensure their dominance for a good long time.

Gwyneth Palpate posted:

how is this different from pos, though

the main thing is how you can't hide whether or not there's a titan in build. I think posses with supercap arrays are common enough that people rarely try for coathanger ops. "It was building components" is a likely result these days.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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tickets to the gunt show posted:

Yes and it's also a coincidence that several other major developers are also updating their EULA and TOS. It's all because of those drat alpha clones.

kaynorr posted:

They explicitly say that this is something done to accommodate the alpha/omega clone system.

No they explicitly say that they are putting out a new EULA with alpha clones and are redlining a major change in advance so nobody is surprised. (And then go on with the juicy news that IWI and Eve Casino are already banned, which is a loving masterstroke.)

When the state of Washington is threatening Valve, a multi-billion dollar company hundreds of times bigger & more important than CCP, with forfeiting their corporate charter over video game gambling, that's when everybody knows that they should act now to save themselves a whole fuckton of pain later. Everybody in the industry that has potential gambling entanglements is getting out of this grey zone. Even the ones in the EU with gambling laws that are way looser -- see what happened to online poker when the US locked them out of our payments systems.


It's too bad that CCP can't have some sort of sanctioned official method for AT betting and the kind of stuff that Eve-Bet does, but them's the breaks. There's the connection between real money -> PLEX -> ISK that is probably enough.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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LemonDrizzle posted:

The cruiser is another Etana - little more than a collector's item on TQ, but an amazing option for a tournament team because it allows you to circumvent bans. Based on half-assed eveHQ mockups, the frigate looks like it'll be a decent amount of fun.

I thought the etana would be amazing on TQ if it was possible to ever replace, but never will because the value in future AT comps is so high.

working mom posted:

They changed it this year so that you have a maximum of 1 unique ship per match

A couple years ago when the whole "most AT ships from previous years = most likely to win next AT" was starting to look like a bad trend, I had this idea: AT ships are normal price to field, but give the other team bonus points when killed. So it would be a double edged sword because the ships are super good, but risky because letting them be killed means you need to win by a substantial margin.

Also it makes headhunting the AT ships a valid strategy rather than just a moral victory, plus more AT being exploded is always fun for spectators.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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RMT prices put that 7T much lower, more like $50k at most. And the entire market for RMT isk is $10-20k per month so good luck.


Orange Red Bull posted:

ccp is never gonna talk about methods and practices i wish one of the permabanned elder rmt lords would talk about how it went down and quantities and things

Some guy posted about it on kugu one time, but he was not selling directly. He was selling in bulk to a major multi-game RMT site.

The thing is, major RMT sites stopped selling eve isk because CCP got too good at catching them. They couldn't operate because they had to pay for isk but couldn't keep inventory, it became impossible to make profit. Now everything is ebay or playerauctions, it's direct sale and from the outside looks pretty miserable.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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Fix Lag posted:

this is exactly it and why most MMOs are banning player-run games of chance

nah, they would have banned casinos years ago if that was the case. somer blink was legal rmt for a long time and it was only the players that put a stop to it, through excessive imitation. overall I'm sure the casinos / eve-bet / poker really did do more for player retention than they did harm by any rmt on the side. people like to gamble.


it's 100% because the attention that in-game gambling is getting from IRL gambling law enforcement, because IRL gambling law enforcement does not gently caress around.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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Landsknecht posted:

sure valve has worked a lot to make it much harder to see steam items as having any real value (and certainly the TOS does its best to provide legal cover), but all the dota2/CSGO gambling sites that have sprung up beg to differ, and unlike EVE there's massive amounts of real money tied up in these operations

I've never do CSGO or dota2 betting, but I'm pretty sure that I could set myself up on these sites relatively easily, and be depositing/withdrawing US currency without much difficulty

um have you been paying attention to what happened with csgo betting over the summer and early fall?

particularly the part where Valve got a letter from the Washington Gambling Commission that included:

quote:

Our actions could include: seizure and forfeiture of any property related to illegal gambling activities; forfeiture of Valve Corporation's corporate charter; and possible criminal charges against employees for facilitating the above-referenced illegal activities.
gambling law enforcement does not gently caress around. they don't have to take you to court to enforce their regulations. if they find you've been operating a gambling operation without license, they can go judge dredd on you.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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learnincurve posted:

Have the bans been handed out, isk confiscated and whatnot yet? Other than the IWI guy I've not seen a whole lot of drama.

Yes, they did the bans in advance because giving people with a ton of assets and ability to disguise them warning that they're going to be banned is dumb.

Outside IWI there's not been a whole lot of whining because the only people banned were IWI and some tiny nobody that literally no-one cared about. Eve-bet was the other big player and they were clean, so they get the last month to keep operating and shut down cleanly. They keep their rep, the profits they've made running the thing, and probably have a substantial amount of goodwill at CCP if they move on to a new non-gambling thing.

E Equals MC Hammer posted:

During the kengoku fountain nonsense I also learned that through a sheer number of reports literally anyone can get temp banned for botting regardless of any other evidence. I had a guy I was testing ishtars in, kenzoku fleet comes in, entire kenzoku fleet reports me as bot, 45 minutes later I ate a 30 day ban. Meanwhile my actual tengu bots in venal which were operating at the same time suffered absolutely no ill effects and neither did myself or my evegold customers.

OTOH I'd bet you didn't dispute with a support ticket, because getting someone to look at your accounts for bot-like activity would not have ended well.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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Orange Red Bull posted:

i think its just wishful thinking

the dev blog i read said large-scale rmt

If they have IWI bankers doing large-scale rmt but Eep himself was not, they could be looking for other things to nail him on. Which is dumb IMHO, flailing around with weak ban reasons just makes them look less confident.

If they want to put IWI down with extreme prejudice, ban him for RMT and tell him it's a perma ban across all accounts, don't come back. Make it known that large organizations with high volume transactions put extra risks for RMT and extra work for their security dept, so it's the player's responsibility to keep things clean. If they don't, bans can and will work back through the chain.

If they don't wanna perma him, don't ban him at all. Just zero his isk across all accounts, as per the old RMT rules when you had tainted isk but didn't always get a ban for it. Fruit of the poisoned tree his whole org to take away all their gambling money.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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tickets to the gunt show posted:

Well RMT would be included in that - but if it's true then it seems Peligro is putting a massive amount of wait on the fact that Eep actually formed a proper business to... conduct space business?

Or that he used his account for business purposes and a portion of that business has been banned for RMT.


terrified of my bathroom posted:

well yeah, your account, all assets etc. my point is that ccp is in no way obligated to let them play/keep their assets even if they didn't do anything wrong

True but when a company hands out bans with no justification other than "it's our game we can do what we want" the backlash is big. Like when Star Wars Galaxies banned people over duped money even if they'd just been given that money unaware... Then they had the equivalent of the Jita protest and GMs responded by teleporting them into space. That sort of thing makes your game incredibly unpopular if the audience ever thinks it could happen to them.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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Nice to note that the mini skill injectors, which there was some :tinfoil: about being a f2p microtransaction, are actually a free bonus for new characters that do the NPE.

I mean it's totally a "first hit's free" kinda deal but free SP for newbies is always nice.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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PLEX are carried on CCP's balance sheet as "deferred revenue", they are not a liability as far as accounting is concerned. They might be a liability in common understanding if CCP went bust or got acquired or something, but that's different.

And unless they've changed things, seized PLEX are never zilched out. They are kept around to use as prizes, awards, or for market interventions. They don't have to do that, they could just delete the PLEX from permabanned accounts, there's nothing legal about it. It's just a nice way to be both "honorable" with an asset players payed for, and at the same time be able to give away something that technically costs them money but keep it off the books because they're just moving in-game assets around.


Also being really anal about keeping PLEX "real" in the players' minds (as in no-body expects CCP to just magic PLEX into or out of the game) is another thing that makes the market realistic. Compare it to WoW tokens which bliz handles in a much more fuzzy way, and so are less susceptible to spikes, drops, and manipulation. Overall every wow token used is a token someone paid money for, but in-game prices are centralized and the gold or tokens can be added ex nihilo by the central system to keep the market going.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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Bonfire Lit posted:

and why did PL make a new alliance to hold R3PO back in the day then

a) it was funny
b) easier to spend 2 bil on a throwaway alliance than to convince shamis or whoever else has director roles in Pandemic Execs to log in


You couldn't do the same thing today because sov mechanics mean holding a station with a shell alliance is impossible. Nobody in NC would get notifications if some goon was entosising poo poo, or be able to counter it.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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tickets to the gunt show posted:

no wait you're in PL yeah you're fine for how they want to play this game.
that's globby, he's not in PL.

tickets to the gunt show posted:

Also I really like that the alliance most famous for getting its poo poo beat down during the largest, most amazing battle that has ever happened in any game ever is like "yeah we want a rematch". I mean clearly it's stupid pride and someone wandering around with a chip on their shoulder... but it makes more sense than the "we came for gudfites" poo poo that most of your membership seems to actually believe.

PL wanting a B-R rematch isn't surprising. And I suspect that some guys in there are smart enough to know they're unlikely to get one. B-R had a pretty exceptional list of circumstances that made it possible.


But I don't think they were doing the casino war to get a B-R rematch, they just finally got an acceptable way to roll the rest of eve into a ball and take us out. That's what we said for the last 3 years whenever they complained that our blob of blues was making the game boring -- "just make a coalition of your own, you'd win." Which of course runs counter to their own self-image, so they wouldn't. But if Lenny and IWI were the ones that made the coalition, and they could tell themselves they were just taking a big war contract. So they could have both the coalition and the image. Probably that's something that ~the leadership~ should have been thinking about.

Most of the poo poo people say is just propoganda / chest beating.

Xolve posted:

I mean this quite literally, they wanted B-R. Really, really wanted it, even we were in the midst of eating poo poo, they still wanted it. Why? It's just PL's brand of crazy I guess.

Knowing you have enough in the bank to cover it helps a lot. And having the loss spread out over 10 hours helps too. Also knowing that you're in one of the few alliances that can take that loss with little chance of internal collapse. Anyone else in that position starts worrying if their alliance is gonna failure cascade the next day.

But even PL's brand of crazy didn't keep fighting the war after B-R. That would have been an interesting alternate timeline.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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ullerrm posted:

The opposite, actually -- CCP's been removing old or poorly-selling skins from the store.

I thought they were mostly just rotating things in and out, because the NEX store has garbage UI and having hundreds of ship skins makes it slow and hard to browse.

You know what would fix that? Selling skins by ship class rather than one for each goddamn ship in the game!

ullerrm posted:

There's only a single CCP dev that I still talk to, and I occasionally rib him about the fact that even the shittiest and most garbage worthless Amarr ships have tons of skins (Apoc has 8 skins, Providence has 7, Arbitrator has 6; basically every T1 ship has at least 6 skins), while there are significant numbers of Gallente ships with only 1 skin.

Instead you should rib him about the fact that they took a feature that had players lining up eager to give them money, and managed to gently caress it up. Seriously, ship skins are one of the most bungled things I've seen a game do, if scored it by how easy it should have been versus the end result they produced. :ccp: what a joke.


Ynglaur posted:

Various Russian groups would be competent enemies. It's just that nobody wants them to be enemies.

Nah, at this point the issue with RUS is that they can't stick together long enough to be a competent enemy to anyone. Like, after the halloween war they had the south regions on a platter but within something like 6 or 8 months they'd fallen apart and NC was back.

Klyith fucked around with this message at 05:18 on Oct 22, 2016

Klyith
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Zephyrine posted:

CCP.

Also if you did that 3 months thing. Subing with plex will just push the next 3 month recurring forward. So that needs to be changed back to 1 month manually.

I've seen anecdotal stories over the years that CCP did cancel & refund for auto-subscription payments when the person petitioned to them right away. Especially with the PLEX / sub confusion.

though with the reported slowness of their support these days that might mean they'd only refund 2 months by the time they finally get back to you.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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Landsknecht posted:

Why does amarr get all the good stuff though (amarr supremacy)?

because that way they can recycle the same work 2 or 3 times


but amarr doesn't have all the good stuff, the cold iron skins are pretty meh. purity has good contrast with the (unchangeable) black interior color on most amarr ships. cold iron is just black on black on black. they could have at least done 2-tone matte black + shiny black.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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Wasn't the reason behind the whole mittani kill yourself thing that the guy in question had sent eve mails to mittens, saying he was suicidal because his ship got ganked? I guess these days the appropriate thing to do would be to spam the B4R channel with an emergency request to help the guy.

Just following the old SA tradition that threats of suicide resulted in a ban, because dead people don't need an account anymore. :hb:

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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Verranicus posted:

If I close out the opportunities map, how can I bring it up again at a later time? Sorry if this is obvious, incredibly new.

yup, it should be one of the icons on the sidebar by default. you can remove things from that bar by right-clicking and selecting 'remove', or add new ones by dragging them in from the big E menu at the top.


you might want to check out this other thread, which is chill and a better place to ask any eve questions you need help with. the chill thread has less posting but people will perk up to answer any questions.

this is the thread where people get mad about space politics, argue which alliance has more awful racists in it (trick question, they're all bad!), and I guess talk about WoW. nobody actually plays eve here. exposure to this thread is only recommended for bittervets and people who already hate eve.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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frozenphil posted:

Stop this nonsense. No one ever explicitly stated to pull poo poo and a lot of newbies got hosed by it. Saying "we're deploying to Saranen" does not mean "evac your poo poo", especially to people who haven't been to this rodeo before.

everybody loses poo poo their first rodeo, you have to go through it for the advice of "don't store all your worldly possessions in a conquerable nullsec station" sink in. an alliance pretty much never says "evac! :supaburn:" because that tends to make people evac everything and suddenly your fleets are full of rifters. but people who pay attention to any poo poo besides ~official leadership communiques~ will probably get told to move out their excess rat loot and hangar decor.


you want to see people not getting their poo poo evaced, try the fall of delve when sov dropped and everyone got 48 hours notice before IT flipped all the stations.

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Rhymenoserous posted:

I'm sure a few of us have remarked on how awful the "Sure another warm body whatever" is and how those warm bodies amounted to exactly jack and poo poo when it actually mattered. If not consider this the first time.

I mean I don't want to rant on it or anything or I'll start being one of those "NOT MY GOONFLEET" guys.

I think of the average F1-pushing member in our coalition as like a guy in the national guard. He's gonna show up to be a weekend warrior, you can deploy him to a war for a little while, but if you try to get em to fight vietnam it's not gonna work. We were getting really low on endurance in the fountain war before a couple things swung our way and everyone got a second wind. Even going back to the realest of goonfleet days, I feel like this was the case. (I'm trying to remember the Boat Esoteria invasion, or what it felt like when IT was slowly wearing us down before the sov drop.)


And anyways, paco posting like a crazy person has nothing to do with the warm body problem. I'd bet he was super active in any war. Good posting and actually playing the game are not equivalent, in fact I think you could prove a negative correlation there.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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That loving masterpiece of a flanders post, followed immediately by the usual paco posting. It is like watching someone take a poo poo on a Monet.

Klyith
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Landsknecht posted:

a think a lot of dudes generally like DJ because he's funny and usually p chill

that was also the prevailing sentiment in GSF

Are you thinking of a different DJ? Because Darius Johnson was known for bad temper and shouting. Also being funny and a good guy, but mostly the shouty thing.


4th Horseman posted:

gently caress trying to do anything to right the ship,
He was long gone from GSF leadership and had zero ability to right anything. That's not a good stone to throw at him. And during the whole endie & related drama he was pretty vocal about what he thought was wrong with GSF. It's not like he's one of the people who silently stew about things and then flame out.

The problem is that he undermined all his words about illuminati being poo poo by being even more poo poo at the job, and then leaving all the people he'd persuaded in the lurch. GSF has not had to change or improve one iota due to this.

Klyith
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But even pubbies use nothing but fun-loving and cheeky names these days though? That's the problem with cultural victory, if we want to have a different identity to everyone else in the game, we have to do something different to gently caress with them.

Daco Vato posted:

The Imperium reminds me on those pseudo fascists with the marching hammers in The Wall.
I'd unironically like this more than the imperial eagle 40k gimmick.

There was a hammer and sickle-rifter logo sometime way back in the communism gimmick phase that was on point.

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Daco Vato posted:

He asserted that he didn't really want a seat at the table but I'm not really sure that tracks with me.

He didn't want a seat at the table, he wanted to flip the table.

Klyith
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Landsknecht posted:

is there a t3c rebalance planned?

planned, but it seems not happening for a while. they're gonna redo the graphics code for them so they can sell skins for t3s, so probably nothing will happen until they are finished with most of the new structures stuff.

I hope the t3c turns into a major revamp, not just rebalance. They should condense the number of subsystems and cut back on how optimized you can make the pure combat combinations.

(IMHO the T3 concept, cruiser and destroyer, should never have had rig slots. They're advanced, barely understood technology, you shouldn't even be able to jury rig them. But the problem with both T3C and T3Ds is how extreme you can take it when you use the already great base stats and fit them all-out to maximize one area. Reduce the number of fitting options and you reduce how OP they can be in tank, DPS, or whatever.)

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Klyith
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Reverand maynard posted:

Yeah, I loving wish CCP would make hacs the jack of all trades, generic pvp cruiser hull and have t3s be mega specialized isntead of "armor hacs, but better"

My ideal would be a simple pick 2 modules: Tank | Damage* | Sniper range | Reps | Racial ewar | CovOps | Fleet boosts | Nullified

Then balance the pure combat choices (tank, dps, and range) so they're better than HACs with the modules you took, but deficient in the third. So you can't just specialize in "combat", you have to spec for a particular type of combat. Tank + damage means you're brawling, dps + range for sniping. But then there are actually interesting choices for unusual builds, because with a smaller number of module options you could balance it.

Eve has a lot of issues with the idea that more complexity = more interesting. Part because the original designers were weird icelandics, part because in early 2000s that style was still widespread in pc games. But it's become an inherited problem because many of the people CCP hires for the job were eve players before they were game designers.


*actually 2 damage options for the 2 racial weapons

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