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Breadallelogram: Oct 9, 2012

Good thread CC.

My probation was 100% worth it. Gassing a very active thread for an active campaign (even if it's not succeeding) is dumb as gently caress when there are Jeb and Scott Walker threads still open.

# ¿ Apr 29, 2016 06:36

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# ¿ May 22, 2024 18:50

Breadallelogram: Oct 9, 2012

there are still Chafee and Webb threads open lmao

# ¿ Apr 29, 2016 06:39

Breadallelogram: Oct 9, 2012

Anyway there's a race for one of Iowa's US Senate seats this year. Tom Fiegen endorsed Bernie and is running for the D nomination but it's almost certainly going to Rob Hogg who stayed "neutral" for the pres primary and doesn't seem terrible.

It all may be moot though as Grassley is a super entrenched incumbent. :smith:

# ¿ Apr 29, 2016 06:43

Breadallelogram: Oct 9, 2012

Concerned Citizen posted:

patty judge is probably going to win now, actually. imo hogg is better than judge and i will vote for him instead, but dscc is all up judge's butt.

tom fiegen is loving horrible. he isn't really progressive, he just latched on to bernie. he has a pro-life background (which he plays down these days) and literally has been unable to say anything except sexist comments since his wife left him years ago. like in 2010 when he not-so-subtly accused roxanne conlin of having an affair with a lobbyist in the middle of a debate ("she's standing closer to the lobbyist in this photo than her husband..") or when he can't help but suggest that joni ernst won in 2014 because the election was a "beauty contest." he literally personally comments on articles on the des moines register website about rob hogg where he just calls him a corporate shill. and if you've ever seen him speak, he never loving shuts up about gmos and other bullshit.

there is no candidate i hate more than tom fiegen.

NumberLast posted:

Tom Fiegen did a reddit AMA where he talked about how we should annex Mexico. Like, in all seriousness.

I'm gonna try to find it.

Oh, he deleted it. You can either trust me (and my terrible memory) or not, but iirc the response here was that Mexican citizens should have the right to gain dual citizenship by "Swearing loyalty to the (US) constitution," and once enough of them do it opening up Mexican states for US statehood.

hahaha thanks for the info guys, I haven't been following Fiegen that closely for very long so I'm sorry to hear he is such a shithead

Modus Pwnens posted:

Thanks for this. I'd tossed him 5 bucks earlier, now I know better. Judge is awful and Krause is a nonstarter, so I guess that leaves Hogg.

It also looks like Fiegen is going down the Bernie or bust route big time, which is how I feel personally, but I think is an incredibly bad idea for someone running to represent a state that essentially tied.

as soon as I saw him posting stuff like that on his facebook I knew for sure his political career was going nowhere

# ¿ Apr 29, 2016 16:05

Breadallelogram: Oct 9, 2012

empireofcrime posted:

gently caress you Reuters.

https://twitter.com/ReutersPolitics/status/726056978267648001

answer to headline:

because Trump is a massive piece of poo poo and the vast, vast, VAST majority of Sanders supporters would never even consider voting for him

# ¿ Apr 29, 2016 16:06

Breadallelogram: Oct 9, 2012

Grassley is probably going to win reelection anyway.

# ¿ Apr 29, 2016 16:14

Breadallelogram: Oct 9, 2012

byob inherited our spinning

# ¿ Apr 29, 2016 16:17

Breadallelogram: Oct 9, 2012

:bernget:

# ¿ Apr 29, 2016 16:24

Breadallelogram: Oct 9, 2012

Goetta posted:

Probably a list of where the candidate differs from Sanders and evaluating which difference is reasonable and which are deal breakers.

Like a candidate could support Sanders positions on campaign finance and health care but thinks free tuition won't work for reason x, which is fine. Switching out the free tuition difference for, say, banning abortion wouldn't be fine. Or, going the other way, seizing the means of production. Stuff that makes you completely incompatable with being a Democrat.

e: Using Sanders as a comparison not because he is so ideal god of political truth but because his positions are clearly known to his supporters.

I like this

# ¿ Apr 29, 2016 16:37

Breadallelogram: Oct 9, 2012

hemophilia posted:

Like you can use the bernie platform as a positive template but he isn't perfect and the ultimate goal is to make an easy method to screen progressive candidates. Like if you could come up with 5-10 points to test a candidate on while looking for a similar number of red flags you'd have a decent test to screen a crowd-sourced item like that reddit candidate sheet. Obviously you can tear a candidate down on an individual basis but these guys may be popping up in a lot of districts in a lot of places, and if names start getting thrown around it'll always be handy to have a reliable sheet of tenets and red flags to expect and look for.

this too, but I agree with Goetta that comparing to Bernie's platform is a good place to start

# ¿ Apr 29, 2016 16:38

Breadallelogram: Oct 9, 2012

fade5 posted:

"What do you think of Stalin?
What do you think of Assad?
What do you think of Putin?"

If you get apologism for any of the above, you've got a 'crazy'.

pretty good baseline

# ¿ Apr 29, 2016 16:45

Breadallelogram: Oct 9, 2012

Fast Luck posted:

So like if I say hey maybe we should stop training and arming and spending millions of dollars to send violent rebels and terrorists in to fight Assad, and maybe if we're serious about combating terrorism we should allow Assad to reestablish his secular state instead of meddling in another country in only a more subtle way than we did in Libya and Iraq,

now I'm a crazy?

Or if I say Russia's not that great and neither is Putin but he's probably not the devil and in fact isn't one of the world's big problems because why would he be... I'm crazy?

Like you can be left wing and it's fine but once you start opposing the condoned imperialist line on things it's no good?

does that count as apologism?

# ¿ Apr 29, 2016 16:55

Breadallelogram: Oct 9, 2012

Haze Thank Liberty posted:

I was just reading a music article and read this as "bassline", "What do you think of Stalin?" could be a pretty good tune.

♫ seinfeld transition music ♫

# ¿ Apr 29, 2016 17:10

Breadallelogram: Oct 9, 2012

skipping lots of posts to let you all know that Bernie delegates (myself included) added/kept opposition to superdelegates and $15 minimum wage in the party platform in IA district 2

I'm happy today

# ¿ May 1, 2016 20:37

Breadallelogram: Oct 9, 2012

Tetracube posted:

could this actually happen

only if none of the HRC delegates showed up, I think, but that would take a level of self reflection that they are obviously incapable of

# ¿ May 2, 2016 01:26

Breadallelogram: Oct 9, 2012

we're going to own

the means of production

# ¿ May 2, 2016 01:53

Breadallelogram: Oct 9, 2012

Concerned Citizen posted:

literacy tests

Concerned Citizen posted:

it literally tells you, right next to the party boxes, that you need to enroll with the party to vote in their primary.

sounds like a literacy test to me

# ¿ May 2, 2016 18:32

Breadallelogram: Oct 9, 2012

Fiction posted:

Threads which have nothing but spam in them are bad, no matter how cool and good everyone in it thinks Bernie is

every post in the bernie thread was full of high quality content

# ¿ May 2, 2016 18:33

Breadallelogram: Oct 9, 2012

Concerned Citizen posted:

remember that gay marriage only barely passed through legislature, and only because the few gop assembly members voted unanimously for it while democrats were split.

what the gently caress lol

# ¿ May 3, 2016 18:50

Breadallelogram: Oct 9, 2012

yeah and then imagine if we had actual good representation

# ¿ May 3, 2016 20:23

Breadallelogram: Oct 9, 2012

as a straight white man,

# ¿ May 4, 2016 18:51

Breadallelogram: Oct 9, 2012

Mr. Horrible posted:

They sent a mean tweet. They wrote a think piece. They said they were the...

(brock brock brock brock)

Tone Police!
Who are you working for, Tone Police?
Nobody knows you've been bought!

lmao quoting because nobody else did

# ¿ May 6, 2016 23:35

Breadallelogram: Oct 9, 2012

Jewel Repetition posted:

Is that by the same band that did Rock Lobster or was this just a style that surfaced around then?

dude, come on

# ¿ May 7, 2016 18:59

Breadallelogram: Oct 9, 2012

at the very least you can google rock lobster

# ¿ May 7, 2016 19:00

Breadallelogram: Oct 9, 2012

Sir Tonk posted:

holy poo poo all of these people are ugly as gently caress why can't the left ever get hot people as candidates

that dude that won in Canada is good looking, make him move to the US

eat poo poo idiot

# ¿ May 10, 2016 01:32

Breadallelogram: Oct 9, 2012

would you like some making gently caress

# ¿ May 12, 2016 15:56

Breadallelogram: Oct 9, 2012

Classic Comrade posted:

i am very glad now that when i was 19, i just signed up to the bare minimum of being a democrat, and never gave my e-mail address to anybody.

and I'm glad I didn't register dem until September 2015

# ¿ May 22, 2016 18:54

Breadallelogram: Oct 9, 2012

Classic Comrade posted:

i'm definitely contemplating disaffiliating when i update my voter registration.

RI's semi-open so i'll have to go thru the whole affiliate-disaffiliate dance every primary, but still.

I'm sticking around for now as I'm hoping the Bernie faction can influence the state party. We'll see how things are after the national convention...

# ¿ May 23, 2016 23:28

Breadallelogram: Oct 9, 2012

Brocialist posted:

Don't do that.

Stay in, get more involved, be a delegate out other local official, and drag this lovely party kicking and screaming to the left

Yeah, I think you're right. It's easier to be a pain in their rear end when I'm still registered to their party.

# ¿ May 24, 2016 01:15

Breadallelogram: Oct 9, 2012

punk rebel ecks posted:

"Bernie supporters are so naive! You need to support down ticket votes!"

*Bernie supports downticket candidates*

"Don't support downticket voters! That's naive because it divides the party! Focus on Republicans!"

*Hypothetical reality where Bernie supports downticket democrats going up against Republicans*

"You Bernie supporters are wasting your time and energy supporting a left wing Democratic candidate who can't win against a Republican in a conservative district!"

forget the haters, keep bernin

# ¿ May 25, 2016 01:23

Breadallelogram: Oct 9, 2012

My Imaginary GF posted:

Of course you don't make the decisions to directly loving benefit your friends; your family in their positions make those decisions.

lol you got probated for a month :fut:

# ¿ Jun 3, 2016 04:43

Breadallelogram: Oct 9, 2012

Kudaros posted:

This weekend was my state's Democratic Convention. I went to it as a state delegate for my district to elect the national delegates, some committee people, etc. Myself and a bunch of friends and newly-met acquaintances have been organizing as a sort of bloc for the last few months. The idea was to pack as much as possible full of actual die-hard sanders people, but more importantly to get familiar with the process and expand our network.

The local and state democratic apparatus hates young people and especially hates young Sanders people. That's fine. So now our group has been throwing around ideas and I've started a database of sorts to help organize. We are basically trying to invade the state political apparatus and replace candidates with progressive types. This is obviously the long-game.

I am excited though. I've never been able to speak so openly about actual socialism, even syndicalism, and Chomsky and all that fun stuff that used to be restricted to this forum or just some close friends. Actual 50 year old dudes from coal fields with accents I have difficulty understanding are listening to me speak, intently, processing it, arguing with themselves and me, changing their minds, and adopting more radical stances. None of this theoretical for them -- wage slavery, outright wage theft, etc is everyday life. Just avoid trigger words or saying stupid ironic poo poo and people really get it. Coal-field, salt-of-the-earth types, as much as we want to stereotype them as redneck republican or Trump supporters ... well, it's simply incorrect.

When the bigwigs (former governor, senator types, etc) all give their talks I can just sit back and point out how different they are. They spoke about little else other than job creation -- how they are job creators and how they "have" 20,000 employees and how that sets them apart. Icing on the cake is the faux 'folksy' banter and corny jokes. There were two groups of people: those who clap for anything and buy into the jest and those who have thought about the rhetoric, the meaning and subtext of the language. The people I have had a few meetings with (usually over beer and I can't shut the gently caress up about politics, political theory, etc when I'm drinking. Or sober I guess.) almost all fell strongly in that second group. And we sat together, so there was this whole bloc just staring at the candidates.

The issues brought up were primarily the jobs thing, racial justice, gender equality, and reproductive rights. A mild minimum wage increase. Explicit mention and resistance of the 15/hr wage. Not a word on climate change. No wage theft discussion. No explicit mention of coal, but at least two of the speakers are known to have strong coal industry connections.

Republican lite indeed.

Any ideas on how to proceed in organizing are welcome. Send me a PM. I'm interested in the state level for now. I have the most power there, even if I'm not living there for a while. I basically want to shoot votes at any candidate worthy of it. I really feel like this is the time to organize. This wouldn't have been the case in 2008 or 2012. Nobody had the motivation. Now the issues are at the fore.

I love this! Are there any state level candidates that you could help out by canvassing? Sounds like you've put together a decent network to volunteer with stuff like that.

# ¿ Jun 7, 2016 05:43

Breadallelogram: Oct 9, 2012

Modus Pwnens posted:

Also I promise I know that a Senate term lasts 6 years. Got a little optimistic there, heh.

Another poster mentioned some anti-woman baggage Fiegen has (was and possibly is anti-choice, some sexist comments) but I couldn't find much to corroborate it, also super into anti-gmo. He definitely was passionate about getting the nomination, though. The one other guy was a professor with a bunch of rambling unedited YouTube videos for his positions page. Maybe he's good, I don't know. Either way, when you're not cracking double digits in a four way race and there's a week or two to go, I think some of these candidates should consider bowing out, assuming there's a halfway decent candidate with a chance.

Krause seems a little nuts.

I'm afraid that even if we had nominated Hogg, we wouldn't have been able to take down Grassley. He's got serious incumbent power.

And I'm still mad that the party propped up Judge at the last minute when Hogg, Fiegen, and Krause had been campaigning for months. And she loving won.

# ¿ Jun 8, 2016 13:13

Breadallelogram: Oct 9, 2012

equates homosexuality and fecalphelia, he is a bad person

# ¿ Jun 8, 2016 22:35

Breadallelogram: Oct 9, 2012

SneakyFrog posted:

Since we dont have a cool kids clubhouse anymore i will just say morning thread to this thread instead of the old cool one.

this one's cool too

# ¿ Jun 9, 2016 13:29

Breadallelogram: Oct 9, 2012

empireofcrime posted:

Can we post stuff about Clinton in this thread since she's a progressive? Or is it down-ticket only?

lol

# ¿ Jun 9, 2016 13:29

Breadallelogram: Oct 9, 2012

Classic Comrade posted:

no hillary poo poo here please.

but she's a progressive who gets things done

# ¿ Jun 9, 2016 17:57

Breadallelogram: Oct 9, 2012

empireofcrime posted:

I'd rather just drop it. I'd rather not be probated by IKs for even insinuating Clinton ever did anything wrong.

hosed up that there's nowhere to criticize Hill from the left without getting fishmeched

# ¿ Jun 9, 2016 22:43

Breadallelogram: Oct 9, 2012

btw progress = the bernie thread getting closed instead of gassed

# ¿ Jun 9, 2016 22:44

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# ¿ May 22, 2024 18:50

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SneakyFrog posted:

dood.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3779366&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1

this is super serial thread.

yeah I'm super interested in that dumbass thread

# ¿ Jun 9, 2016 22:49

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