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meristem posted:Eh, I think proper labelling would help a lot here. Don't call yourself 'progressive' (as in the One True And Only), call yourself 'economic progressive', and acknowledge that other people may find social progression to be personally as much, or more, important. I know that it drives a lot of people crazy that, they feel, Bernie fans try to usurp their progressive, well, identity. How about calling yourself a progressive and valuing both economic and social issues. I have no problem with people valuing the social side over the economic one, I don't appreciate using social progressivism as a shield to excuse candidates that can just claim taking corporate money and being corrupt shitheads is just due to being shrewd operators and they are somehow protected from being called out on their poo poo.
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This is what I'm talking about, a puff piece from The Hill on Cory Booker, who is progressive because...? If he were a white guy it probably wouldn't matter that he's a Wall Street rear end in a top hat and may be a charter school cheerleader too. This is how identity politics can be weaponized against progressives. https://twitter.com/TheBpDShow/status/726042911935188992
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FreakerByTheSpeaker posted:Oh hey, the band got back together! It's easy, look up "environmental working group(or just ewg)+suncscreen". The specific sunscreen I would recommend is somewhat pricey, but it's also got a good balance of a minimum of toxic elements and good coverage. it's called Jason 30 SPF mineral sunscreen.
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Classic Comrade posted:it was sad ( Once I found out about his weird shilling of commercial products on his Twitter and the other poo poo like his being gung ho for charter schools, I pretty much wrote off DeRay as untrustworthy.
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) learning that deray mckesson (bringing this back to local level politics.... he ran for mayor of baltimore) was being monetarily supported by charter school ppl and lobbyists.
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NumberLast posted:Only good comment on there is from the person with a Gravity Falls profile pic. Way to go, buddy. I don't appreciate all the lovely insinuations that goes into an article like that. A combination of people's disdain for Clinton and some degree of horseshoe theory nonsense(Trump and Sanders are practically the same person).
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Apr 29, 2016 15:43
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NumberLast posted:I have a friend that thinks people hate Trump because the media tells him to, and that the media hates him because they'll lose money if he wins (or something). I tell him about Trump's racist and violent rhetoric and all I get is "I don't believe that happened," which is pretty Sure, but like with the Bernie Bro thing it's painting all Sanders supporters with the same brush.
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Apr 29, 2016 15:49
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NumberLast posted:Oh, I know. It over-generalizes. What I found weirdest about the article is that it seems to be approaching the issue with the assumption that Bernie supporters will support Trump. speaking of linking the two... https://twitter.com/adamjohnsonNYC/status/726058648649261056
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Apr 29, 2016 16:55
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Sanders will move Clinton to the left. If not, then delusion will suffice: https://twitter.com/DemFromCT/status/726103045931687936
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Apr 29, 2016 18:42
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Who here would be surprised to find out Clinton is confident enough to just blow off Sanders and ignore him completely assuming she'll get votes from fear(millenials and republicans).
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C-SPAN Caller posted:She's not getting millenials. uhhh Lena Dunham? Broad City cameo? come on, surely you know that's all that's needed aside from threatening a Trump presidency.
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Apr 29, 2016 19:24
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https://twitter.com/CarlBeijer/status/726135807447207941 It's nice to know so many pundits and surrogates of Clinton are willing to make a total 180 from previous positions for no other discernible reason than to align themselves with her.
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Smoremaster posted:it's kinda cute that MIGF followed us here, poor man must be so lonely https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b11ZU2HceDg
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Apr 29, 2016 21:34
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Is this thread safe for casual chat mixed in with serious discussion? Is it safe for me to post articles and tweets clowning on Clinton and/or praising Sanders and a glorious future of FULL COMMUNISM NOW? I see some of the worst offenders(Tantrum, Obdicut and that weirdo earlier that was bending over backwards to defend Clinton's poo poo foreign policy) and fear it is an attempt to crush the thread under the weight of pedantry and fighting over very specific minutiae until we're all driven to suicide.
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May 1, 2016 02:30
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Clinton surrogate weighs in on the optics of protest: https://twitter.com/adamjohnsonNYC/status/726549525872152578
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Classic Comrade posted:this, yes I dare not even speak the revered one's name. Did something special happen to get the thread gassed?
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May 1, 2016 02:37
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C-SPAN Caller posted:I've also learned that by IRL being a more compassionate person that listens while also making a point and keeping a positive attitude it gets you way farther than being a cynical pedant that argues about everything I personally prefer to use pedantry and disingenuous snobbery to defend warmongering, power-hungry sociopaths who use identity politics as a shield and and as a weapon to crush dissent.
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May 1, 2016 02:44
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Lord of Pie posted:googled "romulan shoulder pads" and welp Do romulans make their clothes from oven mitts?
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Another excellent Jacobin article discussing the realities of what it takes to be a "progressive that gets things done": https://twitter.com/jacobinmag/status/726382566757027840 Some highlights from the article, which is mainly from passages from the book My Turn: Hillary Clinton Takes Aim At The Presidency by Doug Henwood: quote:Henwood’s abiding interest in economic issues and the way they interact with political realities to ensure the bottom line is apparent in My Turn as well. The book’s opening pages note that eight million jobs will have to be created to return the United States to pre-recession employment figures and that income inequality is worse than it has ever been. quote:The American example of race relations makes an analogous case. Barack Obama’s election to the presidency was a significant triumph in the battle for racial equality, but it did little to change the everyday social and economic realities faced by the majority of African-Americans. In fact, many of his policies deepened the inequities that structure black working-class life. quote:By now, the litany is familiar. We are first told that as an undergraduate at Wellesley, Clinton wrote her thesis on Saul Alinsky. But, as Henwood points out, by then, she had already become disenchanted with community organizing, dismissing community action programs as “too idealistic and simplistic” and accusing welfare programs of creating a “cycle of dependency.” quote:Clinton’s lack of progressive ideals is especially visible in her work as secretary of state — a record that Henwood subjects to especially withering analysis — where she oversaw a belligerent foreign policy: she backed an escalation of the war in Afghanistan, supported intervention in Libya, called for strikes in Syria, urged an ongoing military role in Iraq, and enthusiastically supported Israel’s policies in Gaza.
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TinFoilJoy posted:At the very least, I think we should all agree to not engage Obdicut under any circumstances, because that is how threads die. So now that the thread isn't a mix of zany memes, wacky catchphrases, and the occasional political discussion now all the horrible pedantrolls have slithered in? The boredom is palpable.
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May 1, 2016 03:52
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THORIUM posted:zdr says we can have another Bernie thread, but the second one got gassed because everyone was complaining about the first one being gassed. he didn't do it, an IK did it. he also advised us to "stay on target," i.e. don't bitch and moan this time folks: just post cool bernie memes and foodchat and hailing satan -- no complainers. Under threat of thread nuking, what qualified as complaining? the political discussion or beating back the trolls?
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May 1, 2016 09:10
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Mr. Horrible posted:more like So is this thread "The Place" or is that other second concession thread going to be general chat while this one is serious businesses with miles-high towers of ancient manuscripts and arguments over this philosopher or that?
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May 2, 2016 01:20
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NumberLast posted:
That Sanders accomplished enough to inject the idea of a real progressive into the heads of the right demographic makes me happy. He also said that until Clinton gets to the required delegate count he will assume a contested convention(and so will I, with all the hope I can muster).
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May 2, 2016 01:34
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Classic Comrade posted:o yeah i forgot about that ahahahaha There wasn't seriously anyone trying to make something of the "inaccuracy" of that claim was there? "Oh it was 29 instead of 27?" "Yeah we finally blew the lid off this crooked bigot" *shakes* *pants heavily* "..." Classic Comrade posted:i personally am assuming a "bernie gets a chance to speak, then he flips everbody off, says 'later, NERDS', and ollies out" situation I understand the decorum and how he's trying to get them to play ball a little more with the "democrat from now on" thing, but I wish he would just say she was the nominee and he'll accept that without endorsing her.
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May 2, 2016 01:41
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I'm convinced someone over at Jacobin is reading my thoughts. https://twitter.com/MiyaTokumitsu/status/727114763268816896
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May 2, 2016 13:42
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Our favorite Clinton surrogate Krugman is throwing another tantrum about Sanders, this time for not ending his campaign. http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/05/02/bernies-bad-end/?_r=0 The article: quote:This is really depressing: Sanders claiming that there will be a contested convention, and suggesting that the nomination fight was rigged. Can someone tell Bernie that he’s in the process of blowing his own chance for a positive legacy?
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May 2, 2016 14:14
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Are Clinton surrogates seriously going to start peddling the lie that Sanders "had his chance" to change the dem party platform but his petulance and egotism prevented it? How about the reality of it being that Clinton will dismiss him out of hand and just assume a combination of fear of republicans and whatever lame PR poo poo she can come up with will corral enough voters to get her to the White House(which is still fairly likely).
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May 2, 2016 14:16
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Goetta posted:The Dem thread in this forum has been saying that exact thing in the first sentence of your post for a few weeks now so it certainly feels like something that has been pushed out there since before even NY. So it has nothing to do with a number of other possibilities including Clinton being known to be very petty and vindictive and being unwilling to bend because she is a power hungry shithead that would rather burn Sanders and his supporters than show weakness by incorporating any part of his platform(which also carries issues detrimental to her benefactors). It's almost as if in 2008 a certain losing candidate in the dem primaries was unwilling to give up and kept going. Who could that candidate be? Very mysterious.
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May 2, 2016 14:35
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Goetta posted:Also want to mention that my wife has Native American ancestry and this comment royally pissed her off to the point where she is now a lifelong Dem voter (and way more pragmatic about her vote than I am) and is probably not voting for Clinton in the fall. Maybe a small demographic to piss off but that particular phrase raises some hackles for sure. I'm sure Clinton doesn't care since she likely sees Native Americans as one of the groups that Sanders managed to "capture" or whatever so it's NBD to her and her surrogates. Speaking of Clinton's impressive PR chops in terms of picking up Sanders supporters: https://twitter.com/CarlBeijer/status/727128918336131074 It's a good idea to use a culturally updated version of McCarthyism to poo poo on Sanders supporters so they will "become pragmatic" and see reason.
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May 2, 2016 14:39
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Bip Roberts posted:No need to meltdown because abuela is slinging some sick shade. It's a good thing that a shape shifting centrist promising a caretaker-at-best presidency that considers trying for anything ambitious "too hard" is using republican attacks to justify a platform that uses diversity as a cudgel to crush dissent and give a weak appearance of progressivism.
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May 2, 2016 14:52
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Neremworld posted:"Surrogate" does not mean "supporter". You have defeated me. Your logic is infallible. I will say matei. edit: what was the point of that post? empireofcrime has issued a correction as of 15:39 on May 2, 2016 |
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So this is how a pragmatic progressive fundraises? https://mobile.twitter.com/jeneps/status/727170463814836224
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May 2, 2016 19:19
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Lord of Pie posted:nah, they moved it to the mod forum or something So do we just start another thread or...?
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SneakyFrog posted:Since we dont have a cool kids clubhouse anymore i will just say morning thread to this thread instead of the old cool one. Yeah not sure really where I'd want to post aside from maybe this thread and one other one. The rest seems to be a sea of DaDs.
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