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Kat Delacour posted:We laugh, but it worked for Howard when he redefined what the border of Australian territory was for boat arrivals. On 30 October 2012, the Labor party resolved to excise the entire Australian mainland from the migration zone, in order to remove any incentive for asylum seekers traveling from Indonesia to try to reach the mainland instead of the previously excised territories which are closer to Indonesia.[4] The legislation to excise the mainland itself from the migration zone was passed by Parliament on 16 May 2013.[5][6] Before the excise, asylum seekers who reached the mainland by boat could not be sent offshore to Australian immigration detention facilities on Nauru or Papua New Guinea's Manus Island for immigration processing.[7]
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I stand corrected, though I could've sworn Howard did it too, something to do with Christmas island.
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Yeah he did, just never went so far as to excise the friggin' continent from the migration zone. Speaking of, remember how Rudd said people shouldn't stand for his removal because it'd lead to a lurch right on asylum seekers, then the moment he ousted Gillard he decided persecuting brown people was actually really cool?
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quote:I hate lnp but I hate islamists even more.Question is who's tougher on border security when ISIS has inbedded thousands of soliders and their families amoungst the syrian refugees.What's wrong with resettling christian refugees?You know the actual victims of islam.Im voting for Pauline Hanson,Jaquie lambie and ALA. I'm voting on who I hate the most and damnit if it isnt brown people > lnp
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May 30, 2016 11:58
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Kat Delacour posted:I stand corrected, though I could've sworn Howard did it too, something to do with Christmas island. The Howard government also changed how unemployment was counted, and then claimed credit for the falling unemployment rate.
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May 30, 2016 12:13
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Mad Katter posted:The Howard government also changed how unemployment was counted, and then claimed credit for the falling unemployment rate. Ahh... I'm happy to be corrected but I'm pretty sure we've used ILO definitions for unemployment for decades. e: More than anyone not named Greg Jericho would reasonably care about here: http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/6102.0.55.001Chapter62013 Resident Idiot fucked around with this message at 13:12 on May 30, 2016 |
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May 30, 2016 12:39
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trunkh posted:Completely unfounded but I feel it's partly from them getting page space in the press here while being seen as preferable to the two majors. There definitely a sense of being thrown under a bus by the major parties and he has seemingly captured a Dems 2.0 feel of keeping bastards honest so to speak because of it. That depends on the kind of person Xenophon is at heart. I was only a kid when it happened, but as I understand it Lees hosed us over to curry favour with Howard and because she was a bigot who was sick of gays "taking over" the party. What REALLY hosed us over a few years ago, though, was John Davey and company stealing $22,000 out of the National Executive's bank account in order to save himself from bankruptcy, and tricking his minions (not the yellow pill-shaped kind) into attempting a very crude and ultimately unsuccessful coup of the party leadership. The bureaucratic mess of the aftermath combined with changing requirements was what got us deregistered. We actually have the numbers to be a party again, but there's a lot of red tape we need to cut through.
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May 30, 2016 12:43
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It looks like Xenophon will eat any cake the dems would need for a comeback. The dems also need a state to be the nest of initial mainstream support.
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I'm not sure how people could be describing for Nick Xenophon as "right wing", most of his policy principles are vague but seem to support harm minimisation for drugs, state ownership of essential utilities, federal ICAC, strong personal privacy laws, no university fee deregulation etc etc. The kind of things that would get News Ltd shrills screeching about him being a lefty: https://nxt.org.au/whats-nxt/policy-principles/Kat Delacour posted:I stand corrected, though I could've sworn Howard did it too, something to do with Christmas island. Maybe you're talking about the retrospective excision of Ashmore reef, requiring an emergency sitting of Parliament, so they could keep claiming that no boats had arrived. Mr Chips fucked around with this message at 13:00 on May 30, 2016 |
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May 30, 2016 12:54
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Could be, I wasn't following auspol this closely until the last couple years. The tl;dr version being changing the goalposts is par for the course when Liberals go electioneering And yes the alp are poo poo too
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May 30, 2016 12:59
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Mr Chips posted:in 20 years of being renter and landlord, I'm yet to come across a rental property manager who wasn't malcious, incompetent scum. from last page, but kill all real estate agents
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May 30, 2016 13:03
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My rental agent has not bothered to inspect my unit or raise the rent since I moved in 3 years ago. I love the apathetic bastards and never want to move.
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May 30, 2016 13:16
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Mr Chips posted:I'm not sure how people could be describing for Nick Xenophon as "right wing", most of his policy principles are vague but seem to support harm minimisation for drugs, state ownership of essential utilities, federal ICAC, strong personal privacy laws, no university fee deregulation etc etc. The kind of things that would get News Ltd shrills screeching about him being a lefty. Off the top of my head, recent support for the ABCC and weakening penalty rates, although he has softened on the penalty rates (and Labor is not much better). Ever since he showed up in SA, he always seemed pretty centrist, but since I've been out of the country, it seems the whole country has moved to the right, and he went along for the ride.
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May 30, 2016 13:40
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Sticko posted:Off the top of my head, recent support for the ABCC and weakening penalty rates, although he has softened on the penalty rates (and Labor is not much better). Ever since he showed up in SA, he always seemed pretty centrist, but since I've been out of the country, it seems the whole country has moved to the right, and he went along for the ride. Yeah, I'd describe Xenophon as 'centrist' if we're going by the left-right scale. You want to describe it more accurately, I'd go with 'community protectionist'. It really seems like his primary drive politically is to fight back against what's hurting the average person, with I'd say a particular focus on the problems that face Adelaide's suburbs. You want to know why he's getting so much traction? I think a big part of it is because he's specifically standing up for the city that's most constantly shat on federally. Neither of the major parties offer anything to Adelaide, or really anyone in South Australia, because it's a dying city with no easy answers and huge swathes of safe seats that aren't worth the effort. The rare times they get anything it's either fragile and probably going to disappear after the election shuffles sitting members around (I've mentioned it several times, but the Adelaide-Gawler train line still isn't electrified because it goes through nothing but safe Labor seats, so it's only ever a priority when Labor are scared of losing, and then when they do the Liberals snuff it out), or a national loving emergency that threatens to kill our whole economy (hi manufacturing industry). Xenophon's party, regardless of its views, is local; unlike any other party you could elect down there, his party will happily back up his constituency.
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I'm so proud of my wife and her terrible handwriting. Postal Vote Fuckery 
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May 30, 2016 15:42
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The NXT thing isn't really a new phenomenon. A large minority of South Australians have voted third party since the 1980's. During the gradual collapse of manufacturing in the 20th century, Adelaide dropped from the third to the fifth largest city in terms of population and around the time Perth overtook Adelaide in the 80's Adelaide basically became Democrats heartland. At least personally I don't really think those two things are unrelated. After the Democrats disappeared from the scene Xenophon's vote started to increase, until the 2013 election, where he had a higher primary vote than the ALP. Basically as long as people (rightly) feel that NSW is overrepresented in Australian politics, a bunch of them will vote third party. I guess since it's mostly urban voters they're not voting for a joke of a person like Katter but I guess it's a similar principle to an region that feels neglected like FNQ. Though, with the exception of the northern suburbs which are doomed, I don't think Adelaide is in as long term strife as people think.
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May 30, 2016 16:33
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StealthBus posted:I'm so proud of my wife and her terrible handwriting. Your wifes handwriting has the hooked loops and incomplete counters of a compulsive larsenist. I suggest you hire a private detective immediately.
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May 30, 2016 16:36
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SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:Your wifes handwriting has the hooked loops and incomplete counters of a compulsive larsenist. I suggest you hire a private detective immediately. It's alright, I know where she lives.
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May 30, 2016 16:53
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quote:Q. It is often reported that the party is against penalty rates, particularly for nurses. Why is this? Trustworthy?
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May 30, 2016 23:15
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Wheezle posted:Trustworthy? So the same policy position as Labor then. Could be worse.
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May 30, 2016 23:34
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Gorilla Salad posted:I'm pretty sure Dr. Gannon's first meeting with Susan Ley went a little like this: It's from way back - but I wanted to say that's a nice piece of writing.
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Wheezle posted:Trustworthy? Are Sunday penalty rates actually 200%? I'm in a different industry, and in Victoria, but I only get 175%.
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May 31, 2016 00:59
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Essential: 51/49 to LNP 
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norp posted:Essential: 51/49 to LNP Not on ghost who votes or essential website, got source?
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I WANNA BE A TWINK posted:Not on ghost who votes or essential website, got source? Crikey posted:Essential: Coalition back in the lead (but 20% don't know when election is)
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May 31, 2016 01:48
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The results showed a massive amount of ignorance about the basic facts of the election. Clearly this is an accurate poll of the average Australian.
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quote:ere was a strong partisan divide to the issue: Coalition voters more strongly support the current laws (45%) than support a national security limitation (41%) while 54% of Labor voters and 78% of Greens voters back limiting anti-whistleblower laws to national security matters. small government liberal vs big government greens
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May 31, 2016 02:06
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SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:small government liberal vs big government greens underdog PM
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May 31, 2016 02:13
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The only poll that matters is the one in July. Or June. Or August. Maybe.
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May 31, 2016 02:14
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Seems to me to just be the margin of error shifting around as some polls get more boomers and some polls get less.
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May 31, 2016 02:37
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Anidav posted:Seems to me to just be the margin of error shifting around as some polls get more boomers and some polls get less. Yeah, it's pretty sloppy not to mention the margin when it's within 2 points of the last poll
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May 31, 2016 02:57
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"Voter apathy at poo poo choices" doesn't make for as interesting reading as the photo finish. Journalism (or at least the lovely kind that Australia apparently thrives on) is all about the click bait.
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May 31, 2016 03:12
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all those people not knowing the election date makes me think young people have not just disengaged with politics because it's poo poo, but they've disengaged with all news media as well for also being poo poo
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May 31, 2016 03:36
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They probably never engaged in the first place, and why would you? It's pretty depressing stuff.
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May 31, 2016 03:44
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I supposed the Libs squeezing in would do a lot of damage internally to them as well as to the whole public. Right?
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May 31, 2016 04:50
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https://twitter.com/Tim_Beshara/status/737494230734508033
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I dont know what date the election is and i just asked somebody else and they dont know either. I know there is one and i know its ages away. I'll know when its closer because advertising and thats when i would bother finding out the actual date if i hadnt heard it already
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SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:I dont know what date the election is and i just asked somebody else and they dont know either. I know there is one and i know its ages away. I'll know when its closer because advertising and thats when i would bother finding out the actual date if i hadnt heard it already July 2. Congrats, you're an informed voter now. Get in the bin with the rest of us lamos.
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yeah I don't think it really indicates anything if people don't know the exact date. So many of us just live from a calendar on a phone or something these days.
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I guess abolishing penalty rates is even more urgent now that minimum wage has gone up.
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