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ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

Ora Tzo posted:

I supposed the Libs squeezing in would do a lot of damage internally to them as well as to the whole public.
Right?

It's a fair bet that'll happen regardless of result. I can't see the sniping going away, for instance, and they won't have a friendly Senate. I don't think the Senate will be fun for either major forming government.

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open24hours
Jan 7, 2001

quote:

http://www.news.com.au/finance/econ...0e1a13a7f664106
Russell Zimmerman from the Australian Retailers Association said the wage rise was double what his members were hoping for, and far higher than many could afford.

“This is a big problem for the industry and unfortunately I think retailers will have to look at their payrolls and may well have to decide whether they can reduce hours even further,” Mr Zimmerman said.

Well that didn't take long.

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again

open24hours posted:

Well that didn't take long.

The comments section thou!

"this will be for all the white males soon, well.. in the public sector anyway, since they are primarily employing women or people from other countries as their methods of selection (diversity > productivity), as opposed to merit. sigh.. born too late to experience fairness."

hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe

Anidav posted:

The comments section thou!

"this will be for all the white males soon, well.. in the public sector anyway, since they are primarily employing women or people from other countries as their methods of selection (diversity > productivity), as opposed to merit. sigh.. born too late to experience fairness."

Born just in time for the guillotine.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013

Born too late for the chopping block. :(

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

So how long before Abbott's leader again?

You Am I
May 20, 2001

Me @ your poasting

SynthOrange posted:

So how long before Abbott's leader again?

July 3rd

gay picnic defence
Oct 5, 2009


I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS

norp posted:

Essential: 51/49 to LNP :(

Meh, I'm not sure Labor getting in is in their best interests anyway, having them in power when the housing market eventually crashes would permanently destroy any credibility they had. They still haven't lived down their reputation as being worse economic managers than the tories so another event would just reinforce that perception. Maybe in 2019 or whenever they'll have found someone who can go down Bernie Sanders' path and actually engage with and excite people.

adamantium|wang
Sep 14, 2003

Missing you

quote:

Coles could be forced to renegotiate pay deal with thousands of workers after Fair Work ruling
By the National Reporting Team's Sam Clark, Josie Taylor and Dan Oakes

A Coles worker has won a David and Goliath battle against his employer and one of Australia's most powerful unions, potentially forcing the supermarket giant to renegotiate wages and conditions of thousands of employees.

Duncan Hart, a student who works part-time at a Coles supermarket in Brisbane, took action in the Fair Work Commission last year.

He claimed the enterprise bargaining agreement between Coles and his union, the Shop Distributive and Allied Employees Association (SDA), left thousands of workers worse-off than they would be under the award, and was therefore invalid.

In a decision published on Tuesday morning, the Fair Work Commission sided with Mr Hart and ruled that the Coles EBA, which covers some 77,000 employees, failed what is known as the better off overall test (BOOT).

Mr Hart said the decision was a victory not just for Coles employees, but for retail workers more broadly.

"It shows that you can't just cut penalty rates, increase the overall base rate and actually still say that people are better off overall," Mr Hart said.

"There will be people who work those unsociable hours who will be worse-off and that's what we saw with the Coles agreement and it was tens of thousands of Coles workers that were worse-off."

The commission gave Coles 10 days to remedy the failings in the EBA before it quashed its original approval of the workplace agreement.

The decision could force Coles to renegotiate wages and conditions for its workforce of 77,000 employees.

The Coles agreement in question, which was approved by the Fair Work Commission in July last year, mandated a higher hourly base rate for supermarket workers, but cut penalty rates for weekends and nights.

Mr Hart argued that this left a substantial proportion of the Coles workforce worse-off than if they were paid under the existing award.

For a workplace agreement to be legal, all employees must be made better off when an agreement is compared to the award.

Supermarket overvalued some benefit to employees: commission

Coles argued before the commission that a series of other employee benefits contained in the workplace agreement outweighed any loss in penalty rates.

These benefits included blood donor leave, emergency services leave and an extra five minutes for meal breaks when employees worked shifts of more than four hours.

However, the commission ruled that Coles had overvalued these benefits when weighed against the cuts to penalty rates.

"Overall we consider the provisions in the agreement to be beneficial for employees but the level of benefit is not large," the commissioners ruled.

"We are not satisfied that a consideration of all benefits and detriments under the agreement results in each employee and each prospective employee being better off overall under the agreement compared to the award.

"It follows that we are not satisfied that the agreement passes the BOOT."

Coles have been given until June 10 to respond to the decision.

A Coles spokesman said in a statement that the company's workplace agreements had delivered wage rises above inflation for more than a decade.

"Coles' current agreement was approved by the Fair Work Commission in 2015. It delivered an average increase of 3 per cent in base rates, maintained penalty rates from the previous agreement and brought six complex agreements into a simple, easy-to-understand document," the statement said.

Decision could have wide ramifications for retail sector

Professor John Howe, workplace law expert at the University of Melbourne, said that today's decision would increase scrutiny of similar workplace deals that come before the commission in the future.

"The full bench has sent a clear signal to members of the commission and parties to enterprise agreements that it is not enough that a majority of employees support the agreement — the interests of those employees likely to be most adversely affected by the agreement have to be taken into account." he said.

"We're also going to see greater public scrutiny of pay deals between the SDA and other major food chains like Woolworths and McDonalds."

Woolworths is in the final stages of negotiating a new workplace agreement with the SDA.

Union deal branded 'atrocious'

In a statement the SDA's national secretary Gerard Dwyer said today's decision related to a small number of workers.

"The decision today recognises that while some changes need to be made, the agreement as a whole is solid," he said.

"This was always a technical debate about a small cohort of workers who may have inadvertently missed out on the significant improvements that the vast majority of Coles workers would have secured under this agreement."

However Mr Hart, a union member since 2006, disputed Mr Dwyer's assessment of the decision and said that tens of thousands Coles workers had been left worse-off by the deal.

"I think that what the SDA have done in this case has been pretty atrocious, there's no real other way to describe it," Mr Hart said.

Death to the SDA.

evilbastard
Mar 6, 2003

Hair Elf
St Ignatius' College and the University of New England are both going to be a little ashamed as being the places that taught Barnaby Joyce logic.


quote:

Barnaby Joyce isn't backing away from controversial comments linking Labor's live export ban to a surge in asylum seeker boats.

The deputy prime minister believes his comments were grounded by fact, pointing to threats by a senior Indonesian minister last year to release a "human tsunami" of asylum seekers in response to pressure from Canberra over the Bali nine executions.

"People can argue with me all they want but it's going to be really hard to argue with a senior Indonesian minister," Mr Joyce told AAP on Tuesday.

The Nationals leader said he never intended - and didn't create - a diplomatic incident with Jakarta.

But he believes there's been an overreaction to the comments.

"You can argue about the causation issue, but you can't argue about the correlation."

Vladimir Poutine
Aug 13, 2012
:madmax:
I remember a few years back when I worked in a supermarket chain the SDA negotiated a new contract that shortened our breaks :psyduck: Actually the managers just ignored it because even they realised that 10 minute breaks were a bit of a joke so even the hardline ones let us have 15 minutes.

Ora Tzo
Feb 26, 2016

HEEEERES TONYYYY

gay picnic defence posted:

Meh, I'm not sure Labor getting in is in their best interests anyway, having them in power when the housing market eventually crashes would permanently destroy any credibility they had. They still haven't lived down their reputation as being worse economic managers than the tories so another event would just reinforce that perception. Maybe in 2019 or whenever they'll have found someone who can go down Bernie Sanders' path and actually engage with and excite people.

Well Labor got in as the GFC happened, and that didn't sting them badly. If the Libs stay in there will be a catastrophe regarding the Australian health system and it won't be pleasant for many.
Also with the dominance of the Labor right and the Labor left right behind them, I don't see how they could get more populist.

adamantium|wang
Sep 14, 2003

Missing you

quote:

Protester awarded $13,400 after police officer made up charge at Martin Place rally
May 31, 2016 - 4:06PM
Rachel Olding


Several NSW Police officers have been savaged in court for allegedly grabbing the breasts and neck of an anti-Reclaim Australia protester, then covering their actions up by deleting evidence, making up a false charge against her, lying under oath and attacking her in court.

Simone Renae White, 41, a social worker, attended Martin Place last July for a counter rally to the Reclaim Australia demonstration.

She was arrested by Senior Constable John Wasko who alleged Ms White had assaulted him in the execution of his duty.

He said that, as a line of police were shepherding a line of protesters through Martin Place, Ms White turned back at him with her elbow up.

However, after a year-long court battle, a magistrate has thrown out the charge and taken the unusual step of forcing the police to pay Ms White's legal costs because their arrest, investigation and subsequent prosecution were so improper.

Ms White said that one police officer had groped her breasts and another, Senior Constable Wasko, had grabbed her neck as they walked behind her.

She turned around to take a photo of the officer who she believed had indecently assaulted her by grabbing her breasts.

However, Senior Constable Wasko grabbed and arrested her. Her phone was taken by another officer who appeared to delete the photo, magistrate Geoffrey Bradd found in the Downing Centre Local Court on Tuesday.


The police case against Ms White relied entirely on Senior Constable Wasko's testimony and contained no footage from CCTV cameras in Martin Place nor police officers who were filming the rally.

When Ms White's legal team subpoenaed police for the footage, it showed Ms White being pushed and shoved in the back by Senior Constable Wasko as the protesters walked through Martin Place.

The footage showed Ms White taking a photo of an officer on her phone, proving that her evidence was deleted by police.

She is seen holding a water bottle in one hand, making the allegation of raising her elbow at Senior Constable Wasko "inconsistent", Mr Bradd found.

The alleged indecent assault was not captured on camera but Mr Bradd said "the evidence strongly indicates" it happened.

Medical records showed bruising on her breasts and neck pain.

When Ms White gave evidence during a hearing, a prosecutor repeatedly accused her of lying.

Her barrister, Phillip Boulten, SC, told the court on Tuesday that police had "escaped any form of investigation for perverting the course of justice".

"The only reason why [the photo] would be deleted would be to make it more difficult for the complainant to say something in court," he said.

Mr Bradd ruled that the investigation was "unreasonable and improper" and ordered the police to pay her $13,400 in legal costs.

Outside court, Ms White said she was just relieved it was over.

Her solicitor, Lydia Shelly, said police treated a protester as a criminal.

"The court confirmed today that my client is not a criminal. It has taken her nearly 12 months of litigation to prove that," she said.

"This decision sends a very clear message to the police. It is not a criminal offence to protest nor is it an offence to film police if you are not hindering their duties. The NSW public expect more from NSW Police."

Police have been contacted for comment.

open24hours
Jan 7, 2001

So she got costs but no payout?

As an aside, is it possible to sue police as individuals?

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

Matter of fact, I'm salty now.
Wow are you telling me that police are poo poo

colour me surprised

Box Hill Strangler
Jun 27, 2007

Frozen peas are on special at Woolies! Bargain!

StealthBus posted:

I'm so proud of my wife and her terrible handwriting.
Postal Vote Fuckery

haha

P.T.O.

Nice

You Am I
May 20, 2001

Me @ your poasting

adamantium|wang posted:

Death to the SDA.

Good, the SDA are awful and deserve a Kathy Jackson-esque meltdown

Zenithe
Feb 25, 2013

Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.

adamantium|wang posted:

Death to the SDA.

My job falls under what the SDA is supposed to cover, but is there a group I should really join that isn't a complete garbage fire of a union?

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

adamantium|wang posted:

Death to the SDA.

I'm sure that Coles staff were lining up to take their blood donor, and emergency services leave!

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

Matter of fact, I'm salty now.
This is a video where a UPF guy actually tries to sell National Socialism.

https://www.facebook.com/unitedpatriotsfront/videos/290986667902459/

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
I've been busy with poo poo, has anybody claimed the June thread?

If so, give me a PM or something when it's up and I'll close this.

asio
Nov 29, 2008

"Also Sprach Arnold Jacobs: A Developmental Guide for Brass Wind Musicians" refers to the mullet as an important tool for professional cornet playing and box smashing black and blood

Zenithe posted:

My job falls under what the SDA is supposed to cover, but is there a group I should really join that isn't a complete garbage fire of a union?

Can you find an obscure specialty in your job that is covered in one of the miscellaneous unions e.g. united voice? It would definitely help if you have coworkers that are eligible to join as well to help you out.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013

Recoome posted:

This is a video where a UPF guy actually tries to sell National Socialism.

https://www.facebook.com/unitedpatriotsfront/videos/290986667902459/

I know you guys are probably going to think about the holocaust and the third reich when I talk about Nazis, but don't and instead let me tell you how great it is!

gay picnic defence
Oct 5, 2009


I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS

I guess that's one upside to CCTV cameras going up all over the loving place.

gay picnic defence
Oct 5, 2009


I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS

Ora Tzo posted:

Well Labor got in as the GFC happened, and that didn't sting them badly. If the Libs stay in there will be a catastrophe regarding the Australian health system and it won't be pleasant for many.
Also with the dominance of the Labor right and the Labor left right behind them, I don't see how they could get more populist.

I'm not so sure about that. The typical Australian has zero appreciation of Labor's actions to mitigate the GFC and if pressed they'll say it was the mining and China that pulled us through. Instead of plaudits Labor get accused of wasting the surplus paying $900 to dead people and dole bludgers.

I feel like this is a choice between short term pain followed by long term gain if the LNP and their economic agenda is discredited by a huge recession, or a short term reprieve followed by two decades of neo liberal fuckery if the ALP gets blamed for the inevitable recession. Which is why I'm kinda ambivalent over the result of this election.

Starshark
Dec 22, 2005
Doctor Rope
I want Ruddbucks again. :(

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
I just noticed this edgelord on the UPF website

I AM DARKNESS!

Snod.
Oct 3, 2014

He is a mysterious man

gay picnic defence
Oct 5, 2009


I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS

Starshark posted:

I want Ruddbucks again. :(

Same. It'd probably be a great thing for increasing demand and kickstarting the economy.




In case anyone thought the coral bleaching was confined to the Great Barrier Reef:

quote:

NOAA predictions for the Western Australia (WA) are about as severe as they get: there is a 60% probability of the most severe bleaching (“Alert 2”) for all of April 2016.

In comparison, the Great Barrier Reef on Australia’s east coast has a 60% probability of milder bleaching (“Alert 1”) for most of March 2016 – obviously still a major concern, but not as severe as for the west.
https://theconversation.com/western-australias-coral-reefs-are-in-trouble-we-mustnt-ignore-them-53111

Seagull
Oct 9, 2012

give me a chip
got some bad news for that nazi re: everything we know about him

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

Anidav posted:

I just noticed this edgelord on the UPF website

I AM DARKNESS!

probably a morbidly obese goon

e:

:siren: HOLY poo poo :siren:

Recoome fucked around with this message at 10:31 on May 31, 2016

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
I SPREAD FASCISM IN THE SHADOWS

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

Matter of fact, I'm salty now.
I feel like the hooded figure is misleading

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
Hey kid, wanna nationalize the Commonwealth Bank

IN THE SHADOWS?

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
Good news commander

I hacked all the computers in melbourne to be Patriots

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

Matter of fact, I'm salty now.
FASCIST SANTA

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

Recoome posted:

probably a morbidly obese goon

e:

:siren: HOLY poo poo :siren:



He ate the shadows.

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again

I AM THE KING OF THE SHADOWS

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

Perth Lieutenant: Elijah Jacobson.
Eli has been an ardent supporter of the UPF since its formation. A mysterious but loyal man. His tenacity and dedication are unparalleled. He works under Huts in the Perth area.

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Wrestlepig
Feb 25, 2011

my mum says im cool

Toilet Rascal

adamantium|wang posted:

Death to the SDA.

The -penalty rate +overall base pay is the same justification for my entreprise agreement. I was already looking into it for a seperate case but if the maths doesn't work out that's a massive deal.

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