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Thom P. Tiers
May 29, 2008

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My i5 sandy build has finally come to an end. Just checking here if this seems an OK build for the times, not trying to spend *too* much money.

I have a samsung SSD I will be using along with this card:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125488


Here is the build:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($197.08 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($74.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill - Flare X 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair - CSM 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $451.55
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-09-09 20:33 EDT-0400

Open to ideas or suggestions as well...

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Thom P. Tiers
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rex rabidorum vires posted:

Would suggest 3000 or 3200mhz ram. I personally have Vengance LPX which isn't on the QVL for that board but rymem showed people had success with it and I was able to get it to run 3200 with stock timings. The reason for the ram speed suggestion is that the Zen chips receive nice performance gains because of how the infinity fabric works. Over 3200 is where you run into cost/performance wall.

Thanks for the suggestion. I don't know how high people are on 4 sticks of 4GB, but this kit seems to be on the QVL. I was trying to stick to that list...

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820231799

Thom P. Tiers
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My Ryzen5 build is up and running smoothly. Played some PUBG last night and it ran great! Should I unlock my RAM speed in BIOS somewhere? I checked cpu-z and it says im running at 900MHz and I bought some ddr4 3000 sticks. Should there be some sort of frequency setting in the bios or would it be under the overclock section.

I have this board: http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/AB350M%20Pro4/index.asp

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Wirth1000 posted:

Wait, what? 900MHz? Not even 2133MHz?

It was defaulted to the 1800 in BIOS, so, 1:2 is the ~900


Anime Schoolgirl posted:

it would be under DOCP or XMP settings and those are usually but not always in the oc tweaker settings for that manufacturer

Note that Ryzen stresses memory more than Intel's SB+ platforms do, and you may have to go 66 to 133mhz lower than the rated ram speed of your sticks, or bump the voltage up from 1.35 to 1.37 or 1.38 if you're feeling bold enough.


Thanks, the default overclock mode was 2933 at 1.35V, and the 1.35V was red in BIOS, tried it anyways, and it failed to boot/froze on boots. I put it at 2400 at 1.3V and it seems stable and now my CPU-Z reports 1200MHz. Might bump it higher.

Thom P. Tiers
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This may be the wrong place for this, but I am having some issues with a new build about 1.5 months in now. As of about Thursday last week, I will get random lockups. Sometimes it's right after a restart, other times I can play 3 hours straight of PUBG or Rocket League with nothing happening. So the computer ran great with zero issues for about 1.5 months but now I am seeing random lockups. It's not a BSOD. It literally just freezes my screens, and sometimes turns them one full different color (pink, green, white), then they go black and my computer either does nothing, or eventually restarts. Last night it actually happened in game, and it froze my screen at PUBG, the sound and everything kept going. I let it sit for 2 minutes with nothing, then just hit the restart button. I don't get anything in event viewer for this because I have to manually restart. I also get zero windows errors when coming back from the restart.

ASRock AB350M Pro4 AM4 AMD Promontory B350
AMD RYZEN 5 1600 6-Core 3.2 GHz (3.6 GHz Turbo)
G.SKILL Ripjaws 4 Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3000
CORSAIR CS-M Series CS650M 650W 80 PLUS GOLD

These were the new additions to the build. Old parts used were Samsung 840 EVO (fresh win10 install) and a GeForce GTX 780 (Gigabyte).

I'm just baffled because it ran flawlessly for 1.5 months and late last week just started experiencing entirely random lockups.

Additional info: Windows did an update on 10/10? Not sure if that could have anything to do with it. I updated my drivers/firmware for the SSD and the GPU, still happens. I reset my BIOS to default settings and it still happened (I had my ram speed up a bit, but the same voltage going to it). My temps seem fine, again, it sometimes happens on a fresh idle restart, other times I can go hours playing games.

The only part that I really can replace and test without RMA'ing something right now is my PSU. Could this be a power supply issue? If someone says "yes, it could be" I would be willing to swap it out with: PC Power & Cooling Silencer Series 600 Watt 80+ Bronze, but I really don't want to go through that hassle if it won't solve anything. :( Help!

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Trainee PornStar posted:

It may not be the same thing but when my old GTX580 died I had exactly those symptoms for a month or so beforehand.

try another graphics card to rule it out.

Ugggggggh that's the last thing I want to do right now since I don't have one to spare and the market is trash for them :(

I guess I'll run memtest, then swap the PSU.... then hopefully find someone who has an old GPU for me to swap. Narrowing things down for computer problems sucks!

Thom P. Tiers fucked around with this message at 19:41 on Oct 16, 2017

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scrubs season six posted:

Did you plug in the 8 pin mobo power connector?

This should be the first thing in the OP in big bold beautiful colors.

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pliable posted:

Thank you, sir. Honestly, it's not even much of a bottleneck though, that's how great this CPU has been to me. But I figure after 5 years, it's time to make an upgrade. Plus there is something wrong with either my motherboard or CPU (my computer will semi-randomly freeze), so that's another incentive to upgrade. Thanks again!


BIG HEADLINE posted:

In the event of it passing the Windows Memory Diagnostic/memtest86, this might be the PSU.

I have this issue on a new ryzen build... swapped the PSU out, still happened. Ran memtest for 8 hours and it came back clean. :( I would RMA my motherboard but dammit I don't wanna be without a PC for a week. It's just random freezes, sometimes it will restart through them, other times it locks up entirely and doesn't restart. Happens at all times, when idle, when browsing the web, when playing games. No BSOD. :(

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Whiskey A Go Go! posted:

Did you do a fresh install of windows when you put the system together? AMD recommends that you do a wipe and clean install of Windows if your previous system was a Intel CPU. I had the same issues with my 1700 until I did a fresh install of windows 10 with the fall creators update. It is now running smoother than my i5 2500k was on anything 1440p.

Thanks for the input, but I did do this :( It's also weird because the system ran flawlessly for a month and then this started happening. I want to try swapping the GPU out for a while and see if it still happens but I do not have an extra GPU :( I love the 1600 when it's flawless! And I'm coming from intel owned from the last 15 years.

Thom P. Tiers
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Edit: Wrong Thread.

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Are the Samsung SSD's still the go to?

I think mine is glitching on me (3+ years old) causing some entirely random freeze-ups. On my third reformat and I am still getting the issue. Swapped mobo, PSU, and tested RAM for 8 hours. So... onto the hard drive... I think.

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Randaconda posted:

So, I have an Dell Optiplex 960 minitower, and was gifted a GTX 1050ti mini graphics card. It doesn't quite fit, but I think it will if I take off the plastic face plate. Would that render it worthless?

It shouldn't as long as it's just the plastic part coming off. Underneath that is the metal heatsink, and as long as the fan stays in tact to it, I don't see why you *need* the plastic part. Seems it's just for aesthetics. Just keep an eye on your temps, but they should be fine.

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eli4672 posted:

Australian prices aside, am I cheaping out too much on the CPU? I was going to get a 1600 but I worried that it was the wrong thing to spend money on for a VR box and that the graphics card would be a bottleneck.

I'd get a 1600 and try and get a cheaper mobo, maybe one of the ASRock mini-itx am4's. The 1600 rules and I just ordered a 1060 6GB to go along with it.

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eli4672 posted:

OK I'll stop being dumb. There are plenty of people air cooling a Ryzen 1600 in a Phanteks Evolv Shift. I'll switch from the 1500x to the 1600 and from the Portal to the Evolv Shift and add a couple 140mm fans (ooh, RGB) to keep things cool. The cost is almost exactly the same and it'll be smaller, faster and cooler running.

I have a stock cooled 1600 with two case fans and have zero temperature problems.

Meldonox posted:

Apologies if this isn't a great question, but what tech news and developments should I be following right now? In the new year I'm going to start saving up for a new PC build to replace or overhaul my current system, and rather than being completely out of the loop once I'm ready to pull the trigger (as usual) I'd like to have kept on top of things from the start.

The two biggest problems with building right now are the GPU market and the RAM market. They are both extremely expensive. I'd keep an eye on anything related to those two markets.

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Social Animal posted:

So I’m thinking of grabbing an MSI 1060 6gb to work with a 144hz, DisplayPort monitor. My power supply is 5 years old, should I get a new one as well? How often should I be replacing the power supply? What about reapplying paste to the cpu?

It wouldn't be a bad idea to replace your PSU. Putting in a nice new GPU is a great time to replace the 5 year old power supply. As for the paste, just monitor your CPU temps over time. If they seem up over time, reapply. Otherwise you are good.

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baquerd posted:

Hmm, I show the i5-8400 at 2.8GHz and the i5-7500 at 3.8GHz per core - where do you see the per-core being better?

https://ark.intel.com/compare/126687,97123

The base frequencies are different, but the boost clock on the 8400 is 4.0.

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Good Will Hrunting posted:

Thanks. I should probably circle back with the thread when MicroCenter releases their Builder's Month (February) deals. I'm holding off on my chip and mobo purchase until then. Hoping I can save $100 or so on a bundle.

Also - I'd really like a warm orange glow (not too bright) to light my machine through the tempered glass window. I think the Corsair RGB sticks are a little too flash and I don't want any sort of flashing but I do want to display the machine in aesthetically pleasing and tasteful way. Suggestions?

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811980001

Maybe something like these? Not sure if that's what you are looking for. But it seems you can tone down the brightness and stick them on the color orange forever.

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I just bought a 1060 6GB for $289 about a month ago as well. Thank god I bought that a month ago.

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Domus posted:

I guess here is as good a place as any to ask: What's with pentium chipsets? My husband seems to dismiss them out of hand because they're pentium, but if they'll work for building a gaming platform, and they're a good price, what's not to like?

M_Gargantua posted:

The Intel's are superior at the moment, and have been for a long time, so you can say that your husbands opinion is nearly a decade out of date. With Ryzen AMD trying to make a viable alternative at the mid range prices.

Edit: If the husband won't budge on an AMD build: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YMR9TB, and shop around for AMD video cards I guess.


I'm reading this as the husband thinks Intel Pentiums are garbage (which they sort of are, especially for gaming). I don't think the husband has anything against Intel, just the Pentium line that they offer. The Intel Core line is certainly the way to go for gaming. An AMD Ryzen build is certainly fine these days as well. Don't get a Pentium.

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Waltzing Along posted:

Isn't the general advice to never buy anything AMD no matter the price?

I am an Intel person but I bought a Ryzen 5 1600 and absolutely love it. AMD is somewhat back after missing the mark for the last 8 years or so. Intel's are probably still slightly better overall, but buying an AMD chip isn't a bad purchase anymore.

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I don't know if this would make it do anything but is your RAM on the qvl for the mobo?

Is your CPU securely pushed in with the heatsink also securely fastened onto it?

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NikkolasKing posted:

I mean, if it's really that simple, I'm sure my friend can do it. She was talking about not having her soldering kit or whatever and relearning something. I dunno.

But if it's just Legos and reading and watching a video, I have faith in her and my other friend.

I would be a bit skeptical on putting your faith into someone who thought they needed to solder your computer parts together.

It really is very simple to build a computer and all parts/cables effectively just click into very specific places

Thom P. Tiers
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Average price over the last 18 months for a GTX 1080 has been ~$600, so yes, that seems like an extremely good deal.

https://pcpartpicker.com/trends/price/video-card/#gpu.chipset.geforce-gtx-1080

Thom P. Tiers
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Should I be able to get my RAM stable on a Ryzen 1600 higher than 2400? My games crash when I go attempt to clock the RAM higher.

CPU: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113435
RAM: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231799
MOBO: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157762

When I attempt the 2933 clocks, I get consistent game crashing after several minutes. :shrug:

Seems very stable at 2400 as I played many hours of video games last night at that speed.

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Llamadeus posted:

It might be the 4x4 kit: Ryzen RAM compatibility is supposed to be a lot worse with four sticks instead of two.

Boo. When I was buying I was having a very difficult time finding QVL memory for this system that was reasonably priced and that was one that was approved. Oh well I guess.

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Llamadeus posted:

I think you can still try things like upping the voltage and adjusting some timings manually.

Also just to make sure but you are attempting to set XMP/DOCP rather than just the frequency right?

Yea, I'm going into the XMP profiles and selecting the speed through that. It sets the voltage to 1.35 I believe.



Not my screen, but this is exactly what mine looks like. Although I currently have mine set to DDR4-2400, not 2666.

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Is it worth it to buy a 2060 for $350 and sell my 1060 for $150? I have a 1440p monitor and play a lot of PUBG.

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Golluk posted:

Nothing too demanding. I'm still on 1080P. But Apex has been the first game where I've had to set everything to low just to get semi playable frame rates (40ish). I'd be happy with 50-60 on medium.

I could OC the CPU as well, I think it went up around 4.4ghz from the stock 3.3ghz alright.

https://www.gpucheck.com/compare/nv...en&currency=usd

I have no idea if GPUcheck is reputable but this comparison seems to be what you might want to look at. It seems to check out... (for me when I entered my settings, pretty accurate).

The 2500k is bottlenecking you a bit probably, but you should still be able to get desired frames with a GPU upgrade, especially at 1080p.

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Golluk posted:

Hmm, given how much my current 760 heats up the room, I think I'd rather spend a bit more and get something efficient. The 1060 looks to only be 10-20 CAD more than the 580. A fair amount of options in the 280-300 CAD range.

https://www.gpucheck.com/compare/nv...en&currency=usd

Here is your 760 v 1660.

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Kaedric posted:

It always confuses me when a single company offers like 8 different options for their card

Different clocks, different coolers, different sizes for specific cases (small form, etc).

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I have a Ryzen 1600 paired with a 1060 6GB currently. I'd like to get some more frames, particularly in PUBG (1440p currently getting around 80-90 when not surrounded by a million enemies). Nothing needs to be in the immediate future, but would a simple upgrade on the GPU give me a decent boost? Or should I wait until the early Fall when the GPU market is competitive and Zen2 chips/boards are all out and I can sort of build an entirely new setup?

I have the itch to upgrade but I can also totally wait as what I have now is *fine*

Thom P. Tiers
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Maybe someone else can chime in, but if you are looking for cores... the 3900x releasing on 7/7 has 12/24 and could turn out to be a very, very good processor. I'd probably wait for reliable benchmarks, but it's.... promising.

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appropriatemetaphor posted:

So with these new Ryzens coming out, which cpu would I be looking at to get the most out of a 1660 ti? Running 1080p and 144 fps would be nice.

The card is going to be the limitation of your want for 144fps unless you are willing to drop quality a bit on certain more demanding games.

What CPU are you currently running with it? But to sort of answer your question, I *think* the 3700x is going to be the sweet spot and a very, very good chip.

Thom P. Tiers fucked around with this message at 15:04 on Jun 5, 2019

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appropriatemetaphor posted:

I guess as long as the frames are a stable ~100 then that's fine. I'm ok with nuking quality a little bit. Not looking for the cheapest option, but I guess the most mid-rangy good-enough option that doesn't totally outstrip what the gpu can do.

Seems like that might be the 3600x? Ideally I don't want to spend over $500 but that's not really a hard limit. Probably need a new case too since the current one is sorta a turd case.

You could do CPU/RAM/Mobo right now for around $300 and get very good use out of your current GPU and hit 100+ frames in most games at 1080p on high qualities (and some even ultra quality). Ryzen 2600 is only $145 right now. Pair that with some decent speed RAM (3200) and you'll be on your way.

There's also a lot of video card news that will be coming out next week. That's what I'm waiting on to see when I want to spend money. Currently running a 1600 and 1060 6GB and I want to beef up :D

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Shimrra Jamaane posted:

I’m really bad at this stuff and have been out of the loop for a while. But are the Ryzen 3000s going to finally give Intel a real run for its money in the mid/high end consumer not just compared to their last Gen but for their upcoming chips? Because I’m looking to finally upgrade from my goddamn Sandy Bridge.

Ryzen's have already have been giving Intel a run for their money imo. But yes, the newest line is going to supposedly push that even more. Especially since their top of the line one is going to be $499.

I went from a 2500k to a 1600 and was surprisingly extremely happy. I think I am going to jump on the 3700x and a new GPU this summer.. It's time for an entire more top of the line build for me this time around...

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Shimrra Jamaane posted:

Is Nvidia rumored to be refreshing the RTX 2000s this summer or is that bullshit?

You will probably know a lot more about the summer GPU market after E3 happens this week. The rumor for Nvidia is a refresh and a price drop... but we shall see.

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I would second waiting for the 3xxx line of Ryzen. Also wait to check out the benchmarks on the new AMD cards as well as the "refresh" of the current RTX lineup that nvidia has. This should all be dropping next month.

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PunkBoy posted:

Thanks for the insight! Also I'm dumb and forgot the resolution/refresh stuff. I'm playing at 1080p at 144 hz refresh rate. The games I play (PUBG, Final Fantasy XIV and Apex Lgends mostly) have fine performance. I'm mostly just looking for a new card so there won't be screen tears/green splotches/etc. Eventually I'll want to be able to play games like Cyberpunk 2077, but I figure it might be time for a completely new system by the time it comes out.

A 2070 is a good card. You might want to wait for full unbiased benchmarks on the new AMD cards that are releasing 7/7. The 5700XT is supposed to be better than the 2070 and cheaper.

Also, when you do buy a new one you should definitely RMA your 1070 and see what happens as mentioned above. It's still a good card.

Zotix posted:

Looking at doing a new build next month, and probably going to switch over to AMD. I think the 3700x is the sweet spot, but I might bump up to the 3800x. I heard the new motherboards will likely launch at $200 and go up from there.

The 3700x should definitely be the sweet spot. Low power draw and great specs. Also if you aren't utilizing PCIE-4 you don't *need* one of the new x570 motherboards.

Thom P. Tiers
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Not sure how intensive the 2D digital art is, but 32GB of RAM and no dedicated GPU? I guess someone else could chime in, but this might be better for both the art and the light gaming:

You could fit a Ryzen 1600 ($120) in there with a RX570 ($170) and 16GB of RAM (Corsair Vengeance $75) along with going with a cheaper ASRock B450M board ($65).

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor ($116.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock - B450M-HDV R4.0 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($64.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (1 x 16 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($68.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($77.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital - BLACK SERIES 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($118.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: XFX - Radeon RX 570 8 GB Black Edition Video Card ($169.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Fractal Design - Focus G Mini MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($50.03 @ Walmart)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - 520 W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($64.99 @ Newegg Business)
Total: $732.75
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-06-12 15:03 EDT-0400

Also if they don't need a black drive you could cut $60 from the hard drive and get a blue drive, which would get you back down in the $680 range. I would ask around to make sure what their requirements are the the 2D art, obviously.

Edit: Sorry that ram should be 2x8... same brand same cost...

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Listen to stickman. That's a solid build. And yea, if they realize they *do* need 32GB down the line, they can add it. I never thought of that part when I was recommending cheapening the mobo. SSD's to move around files quickly is going to be great.

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