Incessant Excess posted:

I've looked into this some more and the RVZ01-E (same internals as the RVZ03) seems to indeed be my best option. Putting a build together in this case, it seems there's two ways to do CPU cooling:

1. Use a (relatively) high CPU cooler, the Noctua NH-L12S, and leave the case fan slot above the CPU empty
2. Use a (slightly) smaller CPU cooler, the Noctua NH-L9x65, and also put a 120mm Noctua fan in the case fan slot above the CPU

I'm wondering if there would be a meaningful difference in CPU temps between these two setups? I'm leaning towards the second variant, since that cooler would put no restrictions on RAM height but I am a bit concerned about thermals. The CPU in question would be a 3700X.

Beverly Cleavage posted:

I think I'm transparent enough in that I'm still kind of figuring this whole quiet itx pc thing out...

I'll turn on DOCP to get the most out of my ram (and maybe try to bump up to 3600 from 3200), but I haven't actually gotten so far as to try and tune fan curves for both cpu and GPU... What's the go to for stuff like that these days? I think I've seen MSI afterburner for GPU. can you set the fan curves in bios for cpu and/or chassis?

Beverly Cleavage posted:

Thanks. I know for awhile there were concerns about how monitor programs were pulling data and causing core voltage to not drop. Was that ever a problem with Argus? Didn’t see much beyond the support for zen2 mentioned in version history.

I have the sf600, must be gold though, no braided cables. But I might poach from my big tower which does.

Sigmund Fraud posted:

How well would a passively cooled graphics card fare when there is no fan to push cool air into the case?

HalloKitty posted:

Yeah, that's the main issue with the node 202. I really like it, though.

I've made a real effort in mine to remove restrictions - no 2.5" drive cage, very neat cable routing and so on. Some decent intakes with good static pressure like the Noctua A12x25s as I have then can ram the air over the gpu (which I've totally removed the shroud and fans from) and through the gaps and out the top by the CPU (I have it standing upright, the only way a node 202 can really be used)

VorpalFish posted:

You don't want to run the fans as intake in that case unless you're running your heatsinks fanless because you end up pushing against the exhaust airflow from both the CPU and the gpu. I believe its been tested to be at least several degrees warmer and when you're so limited by CPU cooler height restrictions, that can be pretty rough.

Happy_Misanthrope posted:

Someday, somehow, there will be a video review of the NR200 that actually shows what the gently caress it looks like with sata drives installed - people still use these things folks

The United States posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24ThdoSCj6Y

garfield hentai posted:

One more related question - it looks like the recommended PSU for the 3080 is a 750w and I have the Corsair SF600. Any recommendations for an appropriate SFF PSU? PCPP isn't showing anything at all when filtering 750w+ and MiniITX although I know they exist, and while the SF750 seems like the most straightforward choice since it's just a higher wattage version of what I have it's $300 on Newegg which seems like an awful lot for a PSU.

HappyCapybaraFamily posted:

Should I consider replacing my Node 202 if I'm getting the RTX 3080 Founders Edition, due to the funky airflow design of the card? Or will there not be any real concern wrt GPU or case heat versus a traditional multi-fan design?

Or should I get a non-FE 3080 from the usual third-party suspects?

Romes128 posted:

Gpu thermals are fine if you have two fans in there.

Cpu thermals were poo poo no matter what.

HappyCapybaraFamily posted:

This eases my mind about the EVGA SuperNOVA 650 GM I have in my build right now. I was fairly confident it would be okay, but it's good to see some real-world data.


Thinking of upgrading my i5-7600 build to a Ryzen 7 3700X in the near future. Does anyone have any experience and/or opinions between these two B550 motherboards? The only difference I can see is that the Gigabyte is $50 US more than the ASRock, and the ASRock has an embarrassingly short memory QVL.

ASRock B550M-ITX/ac
Gigabyte B550I AORUS PRO AX

HappyCapybaraFamily posted:

Preliminary results with one case fan blowing in at the blowthrough (?) fan and the other blowing out, playing RDR 2 for a sustained half hour or so


The fans got awful loud, definitely a bit louder than the EVGA 2080 I had. The entire Node 202 case gets warm to the touch now too. Oh dear

eta: looks like it's peaking at 82°C after more gaming

CaptainPsyko posted:

Gonna make a post talking through my motherboard thought process because I am dumb and often wrong about poo poo and would love to have the ways in which I am wrong pointed out to me so I can make a better decision.

First pass criteria: AMD, capable of supporting Zen3 in a week, WIFI integrated, and a USB C header for my case port.

Put another way, I’m looking at B550 boards because for whatever reason USB-C+ ITX + X570 isn’t a thing.

The Gigabyte B550 is the best regarded, but lacks the USB C header so it’s out.

The MSI 550i seems to have a poor reputation? I can’t really find anyone that actually recommended this board, and people have noted some really questionable layout choices.

The ASRock Phantom Gaming Board appears to have the best performance, but runs kind of hot. It has the fastest USB as well, etc. it’d be the easy pick, BUT... no Bios flashback button is a potential dealbreaker if I do go with a new AMD CPU in a week. I don’t have another CPU I can just throw in there to do a bios upgrade ahead of time if needed. Or am I being a big dummy and inventing a concern that isn’t real?

That leaves ASUS Strix board, about which I can’t find anyone saying much bad, but also, can’t find anyone saying much positive, and also it costs a lot more than the PG board.

So, I guess my plan is grab the ASRock if I buy a current gen CPU, and the Strix if I buy something that gets released in a week?

What horrible misstatements of facts have I committed here?

HappyCapybaraFamily posted:

Aww man, I also currently have a Node 202 and am considering a 3700X to upgrade, and the NH-L9a is my current cooler choice Would sticking an intake fan onto the CPU vent help, as some build guides/videos I've seen seem to suggest?

VorpalFish posted:

The corsair sf platinum variants are apparently very quiet. Just impossible to buy a lot of the time.

HappyCapybaraFamily posted:

Yeah, I pasted my post there too, and I was also told it was a classic case of CPU bottlenecking. They were also worried about my ~80° peak temps on the GPU and CPU

... Hopefully those temps are kind of okay for a Node 202

HappyCapybaraFamily posted:

Played a couple hours of RDR2 yesterday, and CPU temps peaked at 94° I've decided to go with the ID COOLING IS-60 + Noctua NF-A12×15 PWM for my next build in this case.

Looking at the specs for the IS-60, it claims to work for CPUs with a TDP up to 130 W. Given the Node 202 I'm working with, though, I'm guessing I should still stick to a 65 W TDP CPU if I'm not changing the case, right? I should not be looking at the Ryzen 7 5800X (105 W TDP) if I just have to have 8c/16t, right?

I don't suppose anyone has a crystal ball and can tell me if there will eventually be a Zen 3 8c/16t CPU with a 65 W TDP?

Warmachine posted:

And my ATX/EPS could be charitably described as "idk stuff it between the PSU and RAM?"

Jeff Fatwood posted:

Unlike the SG14 I like that the NR200 has a white version but holy crap does it annoy me that they thought it was a good idea to do SFX brackets by default especially during a global PSU shortage. At least there's going to be an official ATX bracket...

...mid 2021

HappyCapybaraFamily posted:

horchata posted:

Is anyone else here running a 5800x? It's fine on idle but it gets super toasty when doing gaming (like 80c+) and it's getting me worried.

Using a scythe fuma 2 on an NR200

FuzzySlippers posted:

denereal visease posted:

That's the coveted Tuf 3080 OC, for which I am learning there is currently no way to set custom fan curves for

HappyCapybaraFamily posted:

Finally moved my build into the Sliger CL530. I took a bunch of photos with the intent to write up a build log/guide, which I'll try to do later. Some random thoughts:

• This case is a lot easier to build in than the Node 202
  
• Cable management is also easier
  
• The case sounds quieter. Not sure if it's because everything runs cooler or if the open vents on both sides reduces the reverberation chamber effect vs. the Node 202
  
• The carrying handle is a godsend for moving it behind a TV in an alcove above hip level
  
• The way the side panel comes off is incredibly convenient
  
• The base plate is probably not really necessary for this case, but I still like it for some reason
  
• The hardware kit comes with at least 200% more screws than you can actually use for any reason in this case; why?
  

Here's how it all looks inside now (after I initially thought I didn't have long enough screws to replace the 15mm-thick CPU fan with a 25mm one, until I read that my CPU cooler did in fact come with such screws, and I also used hex head screws to mount the SATA SSD before I found the flat countersunk screws you were supposed to use )

LODGE NORTH posted:

Out of all of these, the CL530 and NR200P are my favorites, style-wise. I'm not necessarily bound to either one, but they are definitely my top choices if I had to pick.

obi_ant posted:

Is there a steep increase in difficulty when building a SFFPC compared to a 'normal' sized one. The smallest computer I've built was in a Corsair Obsidian 250D. I've been looking at a lot of SFFPCs and it seems to be a good idea to purchase custom cables so I don't need to deal with too much cable management.

obi_ant posted:

Can you clarify this? Does this mean that the Corsair’s cables are short enough for most cases?

HappyCapybaraFamily posted:

Caveat: the ASRock Phantom Gaming has those 90°-turned SATA ports, which can ruin your day if you have SATA drives in your build like me. The best solution is of course to just have M.2

LordAdakos posted:

Does anyone have recommendations for a white itx case with a window? Working on putting together a wish list for my girlfriends first new build in something like 8 years and she is looking at a particular color scheme that involves a lot of white and clean lines.