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I probably would have enjoyed it more had I not spoiled myself, but that was kinda bland. The creative teams on the new books are disappointing. Two Abnett books? I'll give King's Batman and Rucka's Wonder Woman a shot.
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Norns posted:How soon till people say this ruins Watchmen for them? I don't know, how long did it take after the other post-Watchmen Watchmen stuff that people will forget they were mad about?
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May 25, 2016 20:21
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Norns posted:How soon till people say this ruins Watchmen for them? Has already happened, in this very thread.
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May 25, 2016 20:27
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JoshTheStampede posted:I don't know, how long did it take after the other post-Watchmen Watchmen stuff that people will forget they were mad about? Prompted by his Comixology sale, someone in the Neogaf comics thread was hating on Darwyn Cooke for it just a day or two before before it came out that he was dying.
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May 25, 2016 20:28
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Heathen posted:I probably would have enjoyed it more had I not spoiled myself, but that was kinda bland. The creative teams on the new books are disappointing. Two Abnett books? I'll give King's Batman and Rucka's Wonder Woman a shot. Yeah the new teams are mainly the same old crap. Not of fan of Snyder myself but his book will at least look pretty with all the talent working on it. I am a King fan but his book will look like warmed-up rear end when Finch is on art duties so I'll give that a miss. WW should be great though. But for the rest... Shifting deckchairs on the Titanic comes to mind. Tynion, Vendetti, Abnett, Lobdell.... Yawn. Same crop of mainly mediocre artists... Course there are some new names in the mix that I'm not familiar with so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
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May 25, 2016 20:29
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Teenage Fansub posted:Prompted by his Comixology sale, someone in the Neogaf comics thread was hating on Darwyn Cooke for it just a day or two before before it came out that he was dying. Before Watchmen was genuinely bad even if good creatives were involved with it.
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May 25, 2016 20:36
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ImpAtom posted:Before Watchmen was genuinely bad even if good creatives were involved with it. Maybe, but dude was REALLY hating. Calling him a piece of poo poo, so I guess the hurt still exists for some people. I hope he didn't feel too bad about it a few days later  ImpAtom posted:The Cooke Before Watchmen Minutemen book had some stuff which some people considered extremely offensive especially when it came to its portrayal of homosexuals. You're free to make an argument if it was/wasn't but if someone read the book that way then I can understand why they'd actually think that. I'm not arguing for it, just giving an example of someone still hanging on to Before Watchmen resentment. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 20:53 on May 25, 2016 |
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May 25, 2016 20:46
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Teenage Fansub posted:Maybe, but dude was REALLY hating. Calling him a piece of poo poo, so I guess the hurt still exists for some people. The Cooke Before Watchmen Minutemen book had some stuff which some people considered extremely offensive especially when it came to its portrayal of homosexuals. You're free to make an argument if it was/wasn't but if someone read the book that way then I can understand why they'd actually think that. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 20:51 on May 25, 2016 |
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May 25, 2016 20:49
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Teenage Fansub posted:With Tom King, Snyder, But going through the Wiki entry of everything announced, I'll probably check out: Batman (though, yeah, Finch art is not terribly interesting) Superman Wonder Woman New Super-Man Trinity Deathstroke (maybe) Blue Beetle Which is more than my current New 52 reading of:
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May 25, 2016 20:52
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Norns posted:How soon till people say this ruins Watchmen for them?
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May 25, 2016 20:56
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ImpAtom posted:The Cooke Before Watchmen Minutemen book had some stuff which some people considered extremely offensive especially when it came to its portrayal of homosexuals. You're free to make an argument if it was/wasn't but if someone read the book that way then I can understand why they'd actually think that. I'm not arguing for it, just giving an example of someone I recently saw still hanging on to Before Watchmen resentment. Endless Mike posted:Morrison has nothing announced at all and the remaining three can't write an entire line of comics, no matter how optimistic you are. (Well, okay, they could, but it would either be a really small line or a really bad one.) Morrison himself announced upcoming DC projects Multiversity Too, Batman Black and White and more WW Earth One, so as far as we know, he's still working there. Anyway, the quote was "anything could be good with a good enough creative team, I just don't know if DC's current stable could manage it." I'm imagining their entire talent roster wont be dedicated to making The Watchmen in DC work (or I hope not.)
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I think a good question is who would feel comfortable writing the Watchmen characters? There were creators who turned down Before Watchmen. And for as much as Morrison doesn't get along with Moore, I don't think he'd ever write those characters into a comic. Especially when he's shown he can write an effective Watchmen story without using the exact characters.
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May 25, 2016 20:58
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Robot Hobo posted:All the geeks and comic nerds will look up and shout "DC has ruined The Watchmen!"... and I'll look down and whisper "Watchmen refers to the name of the graphic novel, and the group of heroes in the story is referred to as the Minutemen. The Watchmen is not the appropriate name in either case. "
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Codependent Poster posted:And for as much as Morrison doesn't get along with Moore I read Morrison's book Supergods a while back, which was half comic book history, and half autobiography. He admitted that in his 20s he (very vocally) thought Moore was awful and ruining everything good about comics, then in his 30s realized that he himself had been a self-important twat in his 20s and developed a strong respect for Moore and his work. Of course, Moore seems the type to hold a grudge, and even Morrison admitted it was totally deserved, so that change of heart was likely very one-sided. Plus, it's from 2011, so maybe there was newer drama that I missed. Robot Hobo fucked around with this message at 21:07 on May 25, 2016 |
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May 25, 2016 21:05
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Robot Hobo posted:Do they still have a beef? As far as I know, Alan Moore still doesn't like Morrison. I think Moore hates everyone except like Neil Gaiman.
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Codependent Poster posted:As far as I know, Alan Moore still doesn't like Morrison. I think Moore hates everyone except like Neil Gaiman. Alan Moore posted:I confess I don’t read many comics these days, chiefly those by my current Avatar stable-mates. So that would be Garth Ennis’s always-powerful War Stories along with anything else that the man happens to put out; Si Spurrier’s excellent and reinvigorated Crossed + 100 and his forthcoming Cry Havoc from Image; Kieron Gillen’s spectacular Mercury Heat, Phonogram, The Wicked + The Divine and, whenever he gets his lazy arse into gear, the next run of the exemplary Über; and, as mentioned earlier, the incredible Brian Vaughn’s concept-crammed Saga. From here: https://www.goodreads.com/author/3961.Alan_Moore/questions
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Teenage Fansub posted:He's head of Checkmate right now. He emerged again in the last couple of months. I can't quite remember what comic it was. Grayson.
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Crossposting from the main DC thread (and really, both threads should be merged by now):Toxxupation posted:So, I read JL 50, L and C 8, Superman 52, and Rebirth. So yeah, kinda split on Rebirth so far. I'll continue reading I think, but the Watchmen stuff was really really bad.
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Travis343 posted:Personally I am more optimistic about the comics being good, or at least not actively terrible, than about a sloppy in-universe explanation as to why everyone was getting raped and dismembered for the last decade. Just stop writing stories where that happens, I don't need to read a comic trying to explain lovely decisions from the real world. Just make better decisions now. What DC needs more than anything right now is a few years of just making comics, without huge rebranding and restructuring initiatives. I think the creators and the fans need stability more than anything. This 100%. Just tell some good stories. Western comics just have so much baggage.
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