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I'm basically repeating the words "Greg Rucka Wonder Woman, Tom King Batman" over and over to myself as a mantra at this point.
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Travis343 posted:I'm basically repeating the words "Greg Rucka Wonder Woman, Tom King Batman" over and over to myself as a mantra at this point. Who's Tom King. I might read Snyder's Batman. Edit: Oh, and add Grant Morrison to that list.
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May 21, 2016 01:45
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BigRed0427 posted:I think reading that gave me a headache. Yes they have been different people since the 90s. Donna Troy is the one with the clusterfuck origin and wonder girl is the one from new justice and dated Superboy.
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May 21, 2016 01:46
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BigRed0427 posted:Who's Tom King. Read Marvel's The Vision.
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May 21, 2016 01:47
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BigRed0427 posted:Who's Tom King. I might read Snyder's Batman. Tom King is a former CIA operative who wrote the extremely excellent Grayson and Omega Men series starting in the DC You push. He's taking over the main Batman title in Rebirth. IMO he is a better writer than Snyder and I am really eager to see what he does with Batman. bobkatt013 posted:Yes they have been different people since the 90s. Donna Troy is the one with the clusterfuck origin and wonder girl is the one from new justice and dated Superboy. Wait, is Cassie still Wonder Girl in new52?
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May 21, 2016 01:47
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Norns posted:Read Marvel's The Vision. Also read DC's Grayson and/or The Omega Men. BrianWilly posted:Y'know what? This is pretty much where I am now. Bring it on, DC. I'm embracing the pain and the insanity.
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May 21, 2016 01:48
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I think King is a better writer than Snyder easily and I'm not sure I can fairly compare him to Morrison since I'm not a Morrison fan at all.
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May 21, 2016 01:49
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I'm more excited about Tom King because he hasn't written very much but everything he's written has been just great, so every new character he gets ahold of is pure uncharted territory but almost guaranteed to be good. I like Snyder and Morrison but I kind of know what I'm getting into with them at this point.
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May 21, 2016 01:51
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Holy poo poo I can not wait til next week to see the explosion if the Watchmen rumor is true.
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May 21, 2016 01:54
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I mean, there's pictures of the page, Rhyno. You can literally see it with your own eyes.
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May 21, 2016 01:58
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I don't know if it's a good idea if true, but I have to give them credit for just loving going for something they know is going to be super controversial if it is. I mean that's not just an idea you toss out there and say "Let's see if this works" this is a pretty major deal. It's taking a huge chance.
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May 21, 2016 01:59
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I look forward to seeing Zack Snyder direct a Justice League vs Watchmen movie.
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May 21, 2016 02:03
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X-O posted:I don't know if it's a good idea if true, but I have to give them credit for just loving going for something they know is going to be super controversial if it is. I can't loving believe I'm going to say this, but they can at least justify it. Bleeding Cool's article talks about it being set up with Manhattan wanting to create life at the end of Watchmen, and there's a few pages in Before Watchmen that show him doing just that. It's utterly terrible and awful, but at least they have a way to connect the birth of the New 52 to Watchmen, as flimsy as it may be. Toxxupation posted:I mean, there's pictures of the page, Rhyno. You can literally see it with your own eyes. I've yet to see the page blaming Manhattan yet, just the page with Batman finding the button. I'm not sure if I want to wait until Wednesday now or just say gently caress it and go all in.
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May 21, 2016 02:04
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There's a poetry to DC finally admitting that Watchmen is to blame for taking them in a super-lovely direction regarding their characters and the stories they're in. Like, symbolically, to say that, it's kinda big.
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May 21, 2016 02:05
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Geoff Johns is going to pull the same thing in a few years saying the DCEU was created by Snyder's Dr. Manhattan and that's why it is the way it is.
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May 21, 2016 02:06
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X-O posted:Geoff Johns is going to pull the same thing in a few years saying the DCEU was created by Snyder's Dr. Manhattan and that's why it is the way it is. That's 100% where my head went. Snyder's WATCHMEN is why he got MAN OF STEEL and BATMAN v. SUPERMAN. Why not blame everything on Watchmen?
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May 21, 2016 02:10
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X-O posted:I don't know if it's a good idea if true, but I have to give them credit for just loving going for something they know is going to be super controversial if it is. The thing is DC doesn't exactly have a dearth of "going for it" ideas. This is not something they're in short supply of. If anything, I would say their main problem is that they can't leave well enough alone combined with implementing very edgy ideas poorly. Also I dunno, DC has an obsession with their own legacy, which makes sense, but produces ideas like this that aren't exactly, well, brave or original. I think it's a lot braver to be great on their own terms over worshipping their moments of greatness, especially when it pertains to stuff like this or TDKR or Kingdom Come, all stories that are beloved specifically because they were standalone stories meant to comment on or invert their own legacy. It's kinda missing the very fundamental point. I dunno, maybe it's cause Watchmen was the first comic I ever read, and it's the comic that got me into comics. This feels verboten. Like, I could ignore Before Watchmen because it's basically fanfiction that doesn't ruin the comics I like, but if it's true and they're saying that Dr. Manhattan left the end of the story to build an unsuccessful and much-despised universe that ended up reset within 5 years...that will kinda ruin the ending of the book for me.
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May 21, 2016 02:12
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Toxxupation posted:I mean, there's pictures of the page, Rhyno. You can literally see it with your own eyes. I am on my phone and relying on this thread to supply me with spoilers!
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May 21, 2016 02:20
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Rhyno posted:I am on my phone and relying on this thread to supply me with spoilers! There, they ran the two leaked pictures there. http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/05/20/warning-dc-universe-rebirth-1-spoilers-leak-on-reddit-and-you-wont-believe-dc-comics-has-gone-there/
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May 21, 2016 02:21
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Read the Bleeding Cool article. What the fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
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May 21, 2016 02:23
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X-O posted:There, they ran the two leaked pictures there. Thank you! Awwwww YISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.
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May 21, 2016 02:28
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Also that Wally West costume looks ugly as gently caress.
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May 21, 2016 02:35
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I think where I've landed on this now is that while I don't think it's necessarily a good idea I am genuinely interested in what they're going to do with it and how far they're going to with it. I'm not going to dismiss the idea out of hand. To me the three Jokers thing sounds like a much worse idea because I can't think of a way in which it work at all.
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May 21, 2016 02:42
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Yay for Wally coming back. But using the Watchmen? Goddamn, that's super lovely.
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when Rebirth goes live please change the thread title to DC Rebirth - Imagine four Jokers on the edge of a cliff... the Joker nearest the edge of the cliff falls off, DC says gently caress it we'll do it with three. REBIRTH Four Score fucked around with this message at 02:56 on May 21, 2016 |
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May 21, 2016 02:54
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Codependent Poster posted:Yay for Wally coming back. It's like ordering your favorite pizza and when you open the box there's a huge dog turd on it.
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May 21, 2016 03:01
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I'm super curious about everything in that. Like it's such a giant swing for the fences idea that either we're gonna get something amazing or something we can bitch about for years. Also why the hell is Pre 52 Wally wearing a Kid Flash costume? He kind of stopped doing that 30 years ago. I guess it's so people can tell who he is but that'd be obvious with "I'm Wally West." Maybe they just don't want to call him The Flash so he doesn't say that part of his famous line nor have the costume. Shame if he's just older Kid Flash.
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Two Tone Shoes posted:I'm super curious about everything in that. Like it's such a giant swing for the fences idea that either we're gonna get something amazing or something we can bitch about for years. Or, option three, it's brought up as something shocking to entice readers for Rebirth that is then never brought up again in any capacity whatsoever.
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May 21, 2016 03:29
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Toxxupation posted:Or, option three, it's brought up as something shocking to entice readers for Rebirth that is then never brought up again in any capacity whatsoever. That'd fall under something we could bitch about for years.
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May 21, 2016 03:30
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Newsarama just put up their review of the issue and gave it a 10/10. Comes in both the spoilers and no spoilers variety!
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May 21, 2016 03:32
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Two Tone Shoes posted:I'm super curious about everything in that. Like it's such a giant swing for the fences idea that either we're gonna get something amazing or something we can bitch about for years. Maybe he'll be Flash Boy. Or Flashy.
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Dexie posted:Newsarama just put up their review of the issue and gave it a 10/10. Comes in both the spoilers and no spoilers variety! Sounds like a great time to link to what David Brothers wrote about their godawful coverage of Before Watchmen! http://4thletter.net/2012/02/newsarama-needs-to-do-better/ http://4thletter.net/2012/04/if-newsarama-knew-better-it-would-do-better/
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May 21, 2016 03:39
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Seriously, what the gently caress is this from the Newsarama review: "Of course the cynicism of the DC Universe began here — and the only way to counteract that is to call out the “world’s greatest graphic novel” for its sins." Those aren't Watchmen's sins at all. Those are the sins of subsequent creators who took Watchmen as a model for what superheroes should be.
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Dexie posted:Newsarama just put up their review of the issue and gave it a 10/10. Comes in both the spoilers and no spoilers variety! Those reviews are a lot of words that say nothing. I also like how it says it's a return to cheerfulness and then it talks about how Pandora was murdered as a jab at the New 52. He also says "high concept" four times. We'll see if he actually used that phrase correctly. Codependent Poster fucked around with this message at 03:53 on May 21, 2016 |
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Rhyno posted:Maybe he'll be Flash Boy. Speedy Barry Convex posted:Seriously, what the gently caress is this from the Newsarama review: "Of course the cynicism of the DC Universe began here — and the only way to counteract that is to call out the “world’s greatest graphic novel” for its sins." I mean, you do blame the cigarette for starting the forest fire. It was an unfortunately contagious idea.
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May 21, 2016 03:55
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I think if you're doing a comic event that's about rejecting dark and cynical as a concept for your comic line than using Dr. Manhattan as the main villain makes the most on-the-nose Geoff Johnsian sense.
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May 21, 2016 03:57
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Barry Convex posted:Sounds like a great time to link to what David Brothers wrote about their godawful coverage of Before Watchmen! quote:It’s like Barry says when Wally makes his triumphant — and permanent — return to the DCU. “I’m so sorry, Wally,” Barry says, with tears in his eyes. “How could I ever forget you?” As an unabashed giant nostalgia baby for 90s/00s Flash stuff I'm sold. Pander to me Johns you freaking cereal loving comics slut.
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Dexie posted:Newsarama just put up their review of the issue and gave it a 10/10. Comes in both the spoilers and no spoilers variety! Everything else sounds at least interesting but making GBS threads all over Watchmen and trumping up New 52 as some beautiful thing cut down in its prime is some gold-plated loving horseshit. I thought about it more and I was gonna say that if Dr. M comes out and professes failure at his attempts at creating a new universe or was evil and created New 52 or something that could sort of work, but an inferior author blaming a superior work for the poor reception of a reboot he wrote the main book for is some impressive, and offensive, cognitive dissonance.
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May 21, 2016 04:11
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Should we start guessing what DC will do in 4-5 years when this is a proven cockup?
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Also: gently caress whoever wrote this.
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