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Guys can we talk about the real problem here. What are we going to do with 12 Super-people and 3 Jokers. That's easily 10 and 2 too many.
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redbackground posted:He was already Chief Creative Officer of DC Comics at that point. Yes. Which did not stop them from hijacking his event and steering it in a direction that he had to make way for. CCO isn't the guy who makes calls like the New 52.
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May 21, 2016 05:22
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X-O posted:Guys can we talk about the real problem here. What are we going to do with 12 Super-people and 3 Jokers. That's easily 10 and 2 too many. Extend the joker family obviously.
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May 21, 2016 05:22
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Two Tone Shoes posted:I understand what you're saying with the other stuff but this is utter nonsense. What Flashpoint became was not under his total guidance or control. They hijacked what was supposed to be a minor Flash Crossover event -- no bigger than Blackest Night -- and turned it into a way to reboot the universe because they were in a financial emergency. Then the New 52 happened where every book save a few corner cases were under heavy editorial scrutiny. IIRC, Wally West backup stories for the main Barry book, a Kid Flash ongoing series written by Sterling Gates, and (I'm more iffy on this one) a speedster team book called something like Flash: Feet First were all announced at one point in 2009 or thereabouts. They were all cancelled.
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May 21, 2016 05:23
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God drat just want to say this looks good again. Bring in the Legacies. The familial tone of the superhero community.
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May 21, 2016 05:23
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If the Watchmen angle is just Dr. Manhattan creating their universe, how is it that Batman found the Comedian's button (with iconic bloodstain intact, of course)? Did Dr. Manhattan just like drop it there, so maybe eventually someone could learn The Truth? Did Dr. Manhattan recreate the characters from Watchmen on this world or something?
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May 21, 2016 05:24
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X-O posted:Guys can we talk about the real problem here. What are we going to do with 12 Super-people and 3 Jokers. That's easily 10 and 2 too many. Wait what.
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May 21, 2016 05:25
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Travis343 posted:If the Watchmen angle is just Dr. Manhattan creating their universe, how is it that Batman found the Comedian's button (with iconic bloodstain intact, of course)? Did Dr. Manhattan just like drop it there, so maybe eventually someone could learn The Truth? Did Dr. Manhattan recreate the characters from Watchmen on this world or something? It looks like it is pointing out that the DCU was transformed by the Watchmen but now they know and it will not happen anymore. Hence Batman saying "We were being watched."
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May 21, 2016 05:26
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Travis343 posted:If the Watchmen angle is just Dr. Manhattan creating their universe, how is it that Batman found the Comedian's button (with iconic bloodstain intact, of course)? Did Dr. Manhattan just like drop it there, so maybe eventually someone could learn The Truth? Did Dr. Manhattan recreate the characters from Watchmen on this world or something? Apparently Dr. M kills Pandora. If I were to guess she leaves the button as a hint to Batman of who killed her or something?
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May 21, 2016 05:27
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Mr Hootington posted:It looks like it is pointing out that the DCU was transformed by the Watchmen but now they know and it will not happen anymore. Hence Batman saying "We were being watched." But how is anybody but Dr. Manhattan able to 'watch' another universe like that, let alone transform it. He was literally the only dude in there with superpowers. Toxxupation posted:Apparently Dr. M kills Pandora. If I were to guess she leaves the button as a hint to Batman of who killed her or something? I want this to be resolved by Batman pulling out a trade paperback of Watchmen and flipping through the pages until he sees the button. "A-ha!" he says to no one in particular. "I knew I had seen this somewhere before!"
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May 21, 2016 05:28
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Barry Convex posted:IIRC, Wally West backup stories for the main Barry book, a Kid Flash ongoing series written by Sterling Gates, and (I'm more iffy on this one) a speedster team book called something like Flash: Feet First were all announced at one point in 2009 or thereabouts. They were all cancelled. But you see this man has all the power and his creative vision is what drives DC.
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May 21, 2016 05:29
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Two Tone Shoes posted:I understand what you're saying with the other stuff but this is utter nonsense. What Flashpoint became was not under his total guidance or control. They hijacked what was supposed to be a minor Flash Crossover event -- no bigger than Blackest Night -- and turned it into a way to reboot the universe because they were in a financial emergency. Then the New 52 happened where every book save a few corner cases were under heavy editorial scrutiny. to be fair this perception mainly exists because DC tried to push it as hard as possible but corporate was always the ones in charge
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May 21, 2016 05:30
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X-O posted:Guys can we talk about the real problem here. What are we going to do with 12 Super-people and 3 Jokers. That's easily 10 and 2 too many. Superman, Superboy (Jon Kent), Superboy (Kon-El), Superwoman, Supergirl, Super-Man, Krypto, Power Girl (who is back on Earth 2?) who am I missing?
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May 21, 2016 05:32
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X-O posted:Guys can we talk about the real problem here. What are we going to do with 12 Super-people and 3 Jokers. That's easily 10 and 2 too many. Batman can't kill the Joker, but maybe he can kill the extra ones! Why are there three Jokers anyway? Are they trying to make three origins right? Have one be like, the classic 70's one and another like the one we'll see in Suicide Squad?
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May 21, 2016 05:32
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Toxxupation posted:Wait what. 12 may be a bit hyperbolic but it's quite a few. Four Score posted:Superman, Superboy (Jon Kent), Superboy (Kon-El), Superwoman, Supergirl, Super-Man, Krypto, Power Girl (who is back on Earth 2?) Lex Luthor off the top of my head. Also maybe Bizzaro counts? There's also a Red Electric Superwoman and another Superwoman of some kind on the cover of Superwoman. X-O fucked around with this message at 05:35 on May 21, 2016 |
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May 21, 2016 05:33
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Codependent Poster posted:Batman can't kill the Joker, but maybe he can kill the extra ones! 
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May 21, 2016 05:33
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redbackground posted:We're all thinking it: What about Joker's Daughter?! Justice4Duela
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May 21, 2016 05:35
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I bet there's three Jokers simply because they're revealing the identity of one of them.
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May 21, 2016 05:36
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Four Score posted:Superman, Superboy (Jon Kent), Superboy (Kon-El), Superwoman, Supergirl, Super-Man, Krypto, Power Girl (who is back on Earth 2?) Streaky, Beppo, Comet, and Bibbi Bibbowski.
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May 21, 2016 05:36
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It's not Joker's Daughter. We have the page that shows the three Jokers. It's...literally just three incarnations of Jokers.
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May 21, 2016 05:37
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Dexie posted:It's not Joker's Daughter. We have the page that shows the three Jokers. which ones, specifically?
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May 21, 2016 05:41
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Dexie posted:It's not Joker's Daughter. We have the page that shows the three Jokers. Where's the page?
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May 21, 2016 05:42
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Codependent Poster posted:Where's the page? It was on Reddit and /co/ but those threads have been deleted. I'll see if I can find it again.
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May 21, 2016 05:47
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I honestly am having a hard time seeing this as anything other than DiDio feeling suicidal and deciding to go out by insane British writer-wizard. This is insanely dumb and I am fascinated. I mean, I want them to just leave Watchmen alone, but I also want to see where this rabbit-hole of idiocy goes, so I'm conflicted. I'll give it a little slack if they just go "yeah, gently caress it, Dr. Manhattan dick in Justice League."
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May 21, 2016 05:47
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catlord posted:"yeah, gently caress it, Dr. Manhattan dick in Justice League." oh man, if Dr. Manhattan is a malevolent god now I will be so disappointed if he's wearing any clothes, gimme that glowing blue dong flapping in Superman's face DC
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May 21, 2016 05:50
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catlord posted:I honestly am having a hard time seeing this as anything other than DiDio feeling suicidal and deciding to go out by insane British writer-wizard. This is insanely dumb and I am fascinated. I mean, I want them to just leave Watchmen alone, but I also want to see where this rabbit-hole of idiocy goes, so I'm conflicted. I'll give it a little slack if they just go "yeah, gently caress it, Dr. Manhattan dick in Justice League." What if every panel has it hilariously obscured by phallic objects. Literally Austin Powers but with a glowing blue god who's talking to Superman or whatever.
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May 21, 2016 05:51
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I haven't looked forward to a comics this much in I don't know how long. We ordered a metric fuckload and I am honestly worried we won't have enough.
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May 21, 2016 05:55
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More spoilers from Newsarama http://www.newsarama.com/29410-10-things-about-dc-universe-rebirth-you-may-or-may-not-want-to-know-before-wed-spoilers.html
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May 21, 2016 05:57
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Newsarama has literally just hit "gently caress it" and is letting it all go I guess.
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May 21, 2016 05:59
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:More spoilers from Newsarama quote:A lot of fans will be pleased to see that Ted Kord, the classic Blue Beetle, is back in the DC Universe proper after being killed over a decade ago in The OMAC Project. Not only that, he’s teaming up with Jaime Reyes, who visits Kord Industries to get his Scarab removed in DC Universe Rebirth. But that’s not all – the new Doctor Fate shows up to retcon a retcon and reveals that the Scarab is magic after all, and not alien technology. This is dumb. This is really freaking dumb.
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May 21, 2016 06:01
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They seem to be stripping Wally of everything that made him Wally so they are keeping the tradition alive. Also this is gonna b a clusterfuck.
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Four Score posted:Superman, Superboy (Jon Kent), Superboy (Kon-El), Superwoman, Supergirl, Super-Man, Krypto, Power Girl (who is back on Earth 2?) Superman (Val-Zod) I guess if we're counting Earth 2? TFRazorsaw posted:
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May 21, 2016 06:03
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Ok so according that Newsarama spoiler post Dr. Manhattan has set up on Mars in the DCU now and looks to be the new big villain of the DCU going forward. And he created the N52 purposefully to weaken the DCU? What? This is weird. Also Darkseid is a baby now?
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May 21, 2016 06:08
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They also lost ten years which explains why the new 52 wasn't consistent, somehow.
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May 21, 2016 06:09
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CharlestheHammer posted:They also lost ten years which explains why the new 52 wasn't consistent, somehow. Zero Hour Too
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May 21, 2016 06:10
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So somehow they've managed to make a new continuity that is more confusing and convoluted than the old one?
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May 21, 2016 06:12
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I literally started laughing uproariously when the writer described the current DCU as "brighter and friendlier" then Watchmen. Good stuff. Good good stuff.
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quote:There’s not one Joker – there are three. The original, Jerry Robinson Joker, the Brian Bolland Killing Joke Joker, and the Scott Snyder/Greg Capullo New 52 Joker are all separate people who have operated as the Clown Prince of Crime.  This is dumb.
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IGN has a full beat by beat rundown of the book. Seems Wally West and Wally West are cousins. And that the implication is that Pre-N52 and N52 are the same universe but it was heavily altered as a way to weaken it for attack and it is slowly reverting back in some ways.
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X-O posted:Ok so according that Newsarama spoiler post Dr. Manhattan has set up on Mars in the DCU now and looks to be the new big villain of the DCU going forward. And he created the N52 purposefully to weaken the DCU? What? This is weird. I wonder how that will make J'on feeeeehahahahaha who am I kidding he doesn't matter. Also if this builds up to how the first arc of Hickman's Avengers where they bring back the old (better) lineup of the JLA on Superdad's orders I'd laugh my rear end off but also be, not okay about it just meh. This is like Johns last giant middle finger before he goes and makes the DC movies better. Also old lineup being Superdad, WW, Batman, Martian Manhunter, Wally Flash, Kyle GL (crab mask and gauntlets goddamnit!), and of course Plastic Man.
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