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So I'll just get it out of the way. Apparently the Watchmen are now in mainline DC continuity. Batman finds the Comedian's smiley face pin with the blood on it, and narrates "WE WERE BEING WATCHED." I really hope this is a huge red herring and Johns is just loving with us. Also pre-N52 Wally West is back and also there are four Jokers now? Vandar fucked around with this message at 00:29 on May 21, 2016 |
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Also apparently the JSA are back. I don't think the JSA and Wally being back are worth seeing the Watchmen in mainline continuity.
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May 21, 2016 00:23
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Alright, let's...let's just stay calm for right now. They wouldn't ACTUALLY bring the Watchmen to mainline canon, right? It's got to just be Johns trying to ruse us. Let's just...wait for the full comic so we can see things in context.
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May 21, 2016 00:29
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Wally is in his Kid Flash costume (Whyyy) and is apparently now the leader of the Teen Titans, so I really don't know if it's all worth it. 
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May 21, 2016 00:34
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Don't worry. I'll do the freaking out for you.
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May 21, 2016 00:36
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Toxxupation posted:Oh also, spoilers are saying three Jokers, not four. The image I saw showed four, but I think I misinterpreted the page. The Watchmen thing got to me and made me not think straight for a bit.
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May 21, 2016 01:24
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BrianWilly posted:Heck, I'm practically more apprehensive about this Wally West thing. So we're getting the original white guy, in addition to the young black version who's been appearing? Original white guy is leading the Titans, young black guy is a member of the Teen Titans.
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May 21, 2016 01:28
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Travis343 posted:...Are the Titans and the Teen Titans two different teams? Honestly lmao either way Teen Titans are Damien Wayne leading the team of Beast Boy, Raven, Starfire, and N52-Wally. Titans are the team of Nightwing, Donna Troy, Arsenal, Garth, and Lilith, who are now apparently led by pre-N52 Wally. I think.
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May 21, 2016 01:39
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Norns posted:Read Marvel's The Vision. Also read DC's Grayson and/or The Omega Men. BrianWilly posted:Y'know what? This is pretty much where I am now. Bring it on, DC. I'm embracing the pain and the insanity.
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May 21, 2016 01:48
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X-O posted:I don't know if it's a good idea if true, but I have to give them credit for just loving going for something they know is going to be super controversial if it is. I can't loving believe I'm going to say this, but they can at least justify it. Bleeding Cool's article talks about it being set up with Manhattan wanting to create life at the end of Watchmen, and there's a few pages in Before Watchmen that show him doing just that. It's utterly terrible and awful, but at least they have a way to connect the birth of the New 52 to Watchmen, as flimsy as it may be. Toxxupation posted:I mean, there's pictures of the page, Rhyno. You can literally see it with your own eyes. I've yet to see the page blaming Manhattan yet, just the page with Batman finding the button. I'm not sure if I want to wait until Wednesday now or just say gently caress it and go all in.
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May 21, 2016 02:04
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Newsarama just put up their review of the issue and gave it a 10/10. Comes in both the spoilers and no spoilers variety!
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May 21, 2016 03:32
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ElNarez posted:Yeah but Watchmen opened the proverbial Pandora's Box. Well... 
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May 21, 2016 04:21
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bobkatt013 posted:I wonder how Alan Moore is going to respond I have no doubt he keeps an empty grave in the backyard of his castle, for the sole purpose of crawling into every time something like this happens, just so he can roll around in it.
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May 21, 2016 04:46
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Rhyno posted:Remember when Alan Moore called out Geoff Johns for building his career entirely on top of Moore's works? Actually, I don't remember this. What happened?
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May 21, 2016 04:59
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It's not Joker's Daughter. We have the page that shows the three Jokers. It's...literally just three incarnations of Jokers.
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May 21, 2016 05:37
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Codependent Poster posted:Where's the page? It was on Reddit and /co/ but those threads have been deleted. I'll see if I can find it again.
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May 21, 2016 05:47
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Prokhor Zakharov posted:It was always obvious that he was upset by Moore's comments but Jesus I didn't realize how mad Geoff was. What did Moore say? I haven't heard about that.
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May 21, 2016 15:17
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FoneBone posted:He gave an interview singling out Blackest Night (and its references to some of his 1980s Tales of the Green Lanterns material) as proof of DC's creative bankruptcy. I realize that Alan Moore has been screwed over many times and everything, but...what the hell? So he doesn't want writers to reference or use anything that other writers have done with a character or universe?
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May 21, 2016 16:52
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taichara posted:It's especially hilarious when one considers how much of Moore's own material riffs off or directly uses the work of others. Watchmen, League of Extrordinary Gentlemen, that one weird porn story he did with Alice of Wonderland and Dorothy of Oz... Is that all?
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May 21, 2016 18:16
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:I will never understand DC's fixation on having a war comic in the early stages of the N52. War comics are a pretty big part of DC's history, and they were trying to have lots of variety in their early N52 stuff. Not just superhero comics, but war comics, horror, etc.
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May 22, 2016 18:07
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Nuns with Guns posted:You forgot Demon Knights too, but that's ok because Demon Knights lives on in my heart Demon Knights was too good for this world.
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May 22, 2016 19:17
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Gaz-L posted:Not only do I not remember Nightforce, I'm not sure I knew it existed in the first place. This is not a joke, I genuinely don't think I even heard of it. What the gently caress was it? I'm in the same boat. I don't remember a single thing about it. I do remember a Shade mini and a Penguin mini though, from the start of the N52. Those were pretty good if I'm remembering right?
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May 22, 2016 22:39
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Little Mac posted:What the hell was Nightforce? Also, wasn't Voodoo supposed to be a big deal for some reason? Weren't the Daemonites also supposed to be a big deal? Did they ever reveal what the hell the Question was? They tried to sell a book just called "Sword and Sorcery!?" Why?! Why did I read the N52 as long as I did? Because there was plenty of good in the New 52 too. And Sword of Sorcery starred Amethyst of Gemworld. I wish that book had actually went somewhere because Amethyst is neat.
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May 22, 2016 22:48
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BrianWilly posted:
I'm with you. The previews look fantastic so far, and I'm even coming around on the Watchmen stuff. It's ridiculous and stupid and probably going to turn out awful but the ride there is going to be crazy and I want in.
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May 24, 2016 11:11
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Oh I think the previews are looking fantastic. There's nothing in them I don't like.