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Extremely looking forward to the kind of game where everyone is busy doing "play matches with a hero that you're bad at" weeklies and the quality of the core gameplay plummets through the loving floor.
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Jack Trades posted:Extremely looking forward to the kind of game where everyone is busy doing "play matches with a hero that you're bad at" weeklies and the quality of the core gameplay plummets through the loving floor. I play a lot of Mystery Heroes so that doesn't really worry me.
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The game looks really good! Kiriko seems like a more powerful Zen with better survivability. The pros will own with her while the scrubs will struggle to get kills.
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Once the battlepass ends and they can't profit of FOMO, I'm guessing that they'll nerf either the range or the cooldown of her teleport.
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Someone found the research paper for Blizzard's Diversity Tool and parsed it into a diversity tierlist spreadsheet together with the patch notes. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HdOghvY2-h9wHgpam6TdEXVsgkxyzDr7pxwwVSwhMuM/edit#gid=0 
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Sep 30, 2022 14:24
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"slim and curvy"
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Time Crisis Actor posted:The game looks really good! Kiriko seems like a more powerful Zen with better survivability. The pros will own with her while the scrubs will struggle to get kills. Teleport is an obvious nerf target. Other one is her kunais. Remove triple damage and raise base damage slightly. Healer shouldn't be able to doubletap dps/healers.
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adhuin posted:Teleport is an obvious nerf target. I watched some footage of ML7 playing Kiriko and yeah, teleport probably first thing to get patched lol.
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Sep 30, 2022 14:36
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adhuin posted:Teleport is an obvious nerf target. Kiriko's critical DPS is 220 and Zenyata's is 240. Baptiste can doubletap 200 hp characters and he doesn't even need to hit every shot to do it.
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It's cooler to give the character a unique mechanic AND a theoretical higher ceiling to work towards than just making them into another boring projectile spam character
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The F2P unlock system looks like every detail from the initial cocktail napkin pitch was taken as sacred gospel when it was meant to be iterated out. Junkrat, one of the most braindead simple classes to play, is less of a priority to get into the hands of new players than Ana and Widowmaker. https://www.pcgamer.com/i-played-overwatch-2-on-a-new-account-and-the-hero-grind-sucks/ quote:You start with a handful of heroes in each of Overwatch's three roles: four tanks, six damage, and three support. ... if you want to try anyone else from the original cast, you need to start queuing up for games. One game will clear Genji for play, two for D.Va, three for Cassidy, four for Ana, and so on, all the way up to 150 games for Echo. 
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adhuin posted:Teleport is an obvious nerf target. Everyone should be able to doubletap dps/healers
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Just incredible that they're making the new player experience worse in their reboot designed to pull in as many new players as possible
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Sep 30, 2022 15:02
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The amount of positive changes to negative changes in OW2 are like 1 to 10 and I'm the person that really liked playing the OW2 betas.
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The OW2 beta was fun. I don’t want to play OW2 anymore.
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Father Wendigo posted:The F2P unlock system looks like every detail from the initial cocktail napkin pitch was taken as sacred gospel when it was meant to be iterated out. this utterly game-experience-crippling starter roster is seriously making me lol
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Father Wendigo posted:The F2P unlock system looks like every detail from the initial cocktail napkin pitch was taken as sacred gospel when it was meant to be iterated out. Jesus god that sucks. I feel so bad for any brand new playrs. What absolute garbage. I wouldn't be so against this system if it let you pick which hero you want to unlock, but being forced into characters like Soldier or Widowmaker first is just awful. People defending this change by saying it was too many heroes and thus overwhelming are insane to me. This system is just worse
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Sep 30, 2022 15:11
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I'm sure it will be a good experience being a new player on widowmaker
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Herstory Begins Now posted:I'm sure it will be a good experience being a new player on widowmaker Tbf Widowmaker could be getting a major Day 1 patch to make her more accessible to new players. quote:PATCH NOTES:
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Sep 30, 2022 15:18
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stopping smurfing by limiting character access and making uhhhh the high skill ceiling ninja and the hitscan sniper two of your first unlocks
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Father Wendigo posted:The F2P unlock system looks like every detail from the initial cocktail napkin pitch was taken as sacred gospel when it was meant to be iterated out. Lol at the DPS selection.
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Macaluso posted:Jesus god that sucks. I feel so bad for any brand new playrs. What absolute garbage. The complaining over this is overblow. The unlock order more or less seems fine to me. You start with Soldier, Reaper, Torb, Pharah, Widow, and Tracer which is a good mix of playstyles then unlock a ninja soon after and continue unlocking new characters every few games. It seems like there's enough here for a new player to sink their teeth into without spending two hours reading 32 character descriptions and ability lists with zero context.
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So if I played OW1 on PC but now want to play OW2 on Series X... am I stuck with the new player poo poo? loving lol if so
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leftist heap posted:So if I played OW1 on PC but now want to play OW2 on Series X... am I stuck with the new player poo poo? loving lol if so No, there's a way to merge accounts now. https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/news/23852690/overwatch-2-ready-check-prepare-for-launch/
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Don't unlock Genji after literally one game? They can say that it's about onboarding, they can even mean it, but someone made poor choices in what unlocks where. It also doesn't even address that idea that you should probably unlock in distinct tracks by role? I don't give a poo poo about these one thousand DPS characters if I'm play tank, I'm thinking about all these other tanks I could try. In industry news, the Multi Versus devs DOUBLED the unlock grind because it was "too fast". It was not too fast, they want money
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Haha, wait what? They are dumping old stuff into the battlepass? Or is this a placeholder, a week before launch? Oh wait, it's an epic emote now, not a rare victory pose. Ah nevermind, I guess that's ok and not lazy then. Looking forward to seeing more re-used, repurposed assets. Just logged out of OW1 for the last time. Not gonna lie, it stings a little. 
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mcbexx posted:Oh wait, it's an epic emote now, not a rare victory pose. In the Junker Queen pack, the Emote and the Victory Pose are exactly the same, it's incredibly shameless.
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DrBox posted:The complaining over this is overblow. The unlock order more or less seems fine to me. You start with Soldier, Reaper, Torb, Pharah, Widow, and Tracer which is a good mix of playstyles then unlock a ninja soon after and continue unlocking new characters every few games. It seems like there's enough here for a new player to sink their teeth into without spending two hours reading 32 character descriptions and ability lists with zero context. If I pick up the game because Mei looks cool and then see that I need 70 games to even unlock her, I'm probably pressing alt f4. I'm not even against having beginner hero pools and unlocks, but not being at all able to pick who you're unlocking is dumb as hell. Arzachel fucked around with this message at 19:15 on Sep 30, 2022 |
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Jack B Nimble posted:In industry news, the Multi Versus devs DOUBLED the unlock grind because it was "too fast". It was not too fast, they want money Its a really fun smash clone but i gave up on it after a week because the unlock track felt way too slow and i got sick of playing finn and whoever was on the free rotation
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Arzachel posted:If I pick up the game because Mei looks cool and then see that I need 70 games to even unlock her, I'm probably pressing alt f4. I'm not even against having beginner hero pools and unlocks, but not being at all able to pick who you're unlocking is dumb as hell. Nobody is picking up the game because Mei looks cool! I agree a way to target heroes would be nice though but in the end around 100 quick play games to unlock 32 characters is way better than any other game on the market and only feels bad in comparison to OW1. New players will not have that experience to compare against.
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DrBox posted:I agree a way to target heroes would be nice though but in the end around 100 quick play games to unlock 32 characters is way better than any other game on the market and only feels bad in comparison to OW1. 
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DrBox posted:Nobody is picking up the game because Mei looks cool! I agree a way to target heroes would be nice though but in the end around 100 quick play games to unlock 32 characters is way better than any other game on the market and only feels bad in comparison to OW1. New players will not have that experience to compare against. the work you're putting into finding these incredibly pertinent reddit syq's is appreciated
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I was thinking other modern f2p examples like Valorant or Apex. Does Dota2 really have all characters unlocked for new players? League doesn't.
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Valorant and Apex both launched with everything unlocked.
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DrBox posted:Nobody is picking up the game because Mei looks cool! I agree a way to target heroes would be nice though but in the end around 100 quick play games to unlock 32 characters is way better than any other game on the market and only feels bad in comparison to OW1. New players will not have that experience to compare against. If my friends were into Overwatch 2 I simply would not have bothered playing because I'd have to play characters that didn't look interesting to me. Incidentally my friends seem to have lost all interest in Overwatch 2 after learning about the obnoxious monetization so I'll probably never play it and I'm just lurking in this thread to watch the trainwreck, but I did want to offer that perspective as a less hardcore player.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Valorant and Apex both launched with everything unlocked. This is not true for Valorant and Apex has been so long maybe you're right but I've forgotten. Eiba posted:I picked up Overwatch because my friends were into it and so I looked over a few characters. I thought Bastion and Zenyatta looked like they'd be fun to play so I gave it a go. I appreciate your perspective. I know a friend of mine who tried to play Overwatch 4 years in bounced off hard. I bought him a copy and he just got frustrating with the amount of stuff being thrown at him. Would the new system have helped him ease into it and avoid hardcore choice paralysis? Maybe, maybe not. But Blizzard says they have some data behind what they're doing. Ultimately more people who get hooked on the game are more people playing and potentially buying the skins and crap so they have a vested interested in making that new player experience as good as possible and this is what they picked. In the end 100 quickplay games is about right. If the matchmaker works then you'll be unlocking the last of the heroes right as you unlock competitive mode. DrBox fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Sep 30, 2022 |
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oh yeah valorant launched with like 5 or 6 unlocked, then you got 2 unlocks very quickly and the unlocks after that were at normal pace, I think
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for apex caustic and mirage were locked on launch, the other heroes were all free. if people aren't playing overwatch just because they see a random character and go "that looks cool" that is a different and even worse failure on Blizzard's part anyways I think it's very funny they went to such lengths to try to preserve their role trinity shooter where everyone has a unique gun then the characters you get at the start are "most straightforward tank, most straightforward healer, basically every DPS character with a normal FPS weapon." what a boring introduction to the game! e: also I never played when she was implemented but putting echo last when by all accounts she was frustratingly balanced when added is very funny too. Also it seems so obvious that they could easily have just been like "get a free hero token after 1/2/5...150" matches that I really do wonder how they arrived at the order and what it's supposed to do for them Valentin fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Sep 30, 2022 |
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Valentin posted:for apex caustic and mirage were locked on launch, the other heroes were all free. To keep their jobs long enough before Microsoft fires them all next year
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DrBox posted:Nobody is picking up the game because Mei looks cool! I literally started playing this game originally because Mei looked cool and her kit looked fun. This is a wild statement to make about a game where people only wanting to play a certain character became so prevalent the community has a derogatory nickname for people who do it.
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