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JaySB
Nov 16, 2006



Hi, I'm here. Ask away.

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JaySB
Nov 16, 2006



Sheep-Goats posted:

If you had switched to an all turkey sandwich diet like you were advised to would you have been able to not lose the WSOP?

Who advised me of such a thing? And likely no

JaySB
Nov 16, 2006



Tab8715 posted:

Do you still play poker professionally? How much of your earnings went to Uncle Sam?

I never played or play professionally. But I play in some pretty big cash games these days. Regarding taxes, it's gambling winnings so it's offset by losses. One can be quite creative with losses if you want to be. That's all I'll say.

Imaduck posted:

Did you find it tough to play for so many days straight, or were you pretty much just cruising? How did you prepare for the final table? How was the pressure at the final table? What made you make that sweet bluff playing heads up? Do you feel like reads were a big part of your game at the final table, or was it a lot of just playing the cards? Were you worried about giving off tells when you're that under pressure?

It's really really mentally and physically taxing to play good poker for 7 straight days. There's a ton of variance in tournament poker but to run deep in the Main Event you have to play mistake free poker and get lucky for an extended period of time. I prepared for the final table by partying my face off for 3 months. There was no real pressure, I wasn't expected to do much being the amateur at the table. I had a good friend tell me "Whatever is going to happen is going to happen, just go out there and have fun." I really tried to do that. Some of my friends are the brightest guys in the poker world, they gave me a few tips on strategy but that was about it regarding play. Regarding the 6 high bluff, I didn't feel like he was strong, I couldn't win the pot if I didn't bet, and I could rep a TON of hands that could beat him if my read was accurate. He also could have found a lot better spots to make a stand than calling it off there. Live reads are pretty important, with my rail and the tape delay we were able to pick up on a few cues that helped a bit. At the end of the day, heads up is really high variance though and the cards are the cards. I don't feel like I have a lot of live tells, maybe a couple timing tells but that's about it. Wasn't worried too much about it as evidenced by the bluff

JaySB
Nov 16, 2006



bengy81 posted:

Regarding books, I saw the recommendations from the first page, but I was wondering if any of the older Sklansky books still hold up? Like I have Hold em and Stud for advanced players, and I haven't read them in a few years, just wondering if it's worth taking the time on them or if I should invest in some newer material.

I would probably invest in some newer material or spend a couple bucks on some VT website membership. Or watch JCarver's twitch channel

JaySB
Nov 16, 2006



Bardeh posted:

Chris Ferguson and Howard Lederer.

They were both major shareholders/part owners of Full Tilt, and basically siphoned off millions of dollars of players' funds.

That's a pretty gross oversimplification of what happened. They were pretty much just getting paychecks and telling people what they were told. But people want someone to point a finger at so they're stuck with it.

I don't see the same people holding Phil Ivey or similar players accountable. And by the way, all that Full Tilt money those guys got paid was funneled right back into the poker community. If they needed money FTP would loan it to them and they would fire it off on the website. Ray Bitar and the US Government are really the major culprits in all that but what do I know.

JaySB
Nov 16, 2006



Bet $20

JaySB
Nov 16, 2006



I was kidding, you should be prepared to stop and go given that you have basically a pot sized bet on the flop.

As played you're still all in.

JaySB
Nov 16, 2006



Don't buy into live cash games with 40bb

JaySB
Nov 16, 2006



All in.

JaySB
Nov 16, 2006



We loving have 16bb this is such a stupid question to pontificate about.

JaySB
Nov 16, 2006



You played it fine. It was 3 of a suit on the flop right? He could be betting that with any pair and semi nutted flush combos, any combo draws, any 2 pair, any flush. You have 16bb and a straight, if you're ever folding it's pretty marginal. And it's never good to let them peel for cheap.

JaySB
Nov 16, 2006



We are never folding the 2nd nuts for 16bb. Especially when looking at a pot of 2/3rds our stack.

I thought about it this morning and there may even be a case for shoving pre in some spots with our hand.

JaySB
Nov 16, 2006



Sheep-Goats posted:

Would you still shove in a four way if the flop were monotone? How deep do you need to be vs UTG before it's comfortable to say that a shove is idiotic given the same number behind &c.

Based on original action, we check jammed right after UTG donked and it was folded to us right? Well we're never check/calling on any board with 16bb where we're almost always getting called for a pot that almost tripling our stack if we win. As I said, I'm fairly confident any pair and combo draws as well as sets play the same way so I'm basically never not getting it in.

On a rainbow board with the same action? I dunno, probably not jamming 30-40bb vs UTG limper. But I don't think I'm ever folding.

JaySB
Nov 16, 2006



There is so much LOLanalysis going on here. These are micro tournaments right? MP probably thinks "I have a decent hand I should raise" and is likely c-betting when checked to him almost every time. Check calling is fine, leveling yourself into bet folding is stupid. Check folding is the worst option.

JaySB
Nov 16, 2006



Can you please just post full HH and ask for analysis. Debating every action on every street in without full information isn't ideal. Your flop action could potentially change since the button called the c-bet from MP which you didn't tell us.

JaySB
Nov 16, 2006



Imaduck posted:

Hey JaySB, you confounded the Poker Guys: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdBI04Jg45I

I have a theory about what you were doing there. What do you think of their analysis? Was there anything going on that we didn't see?

(you should also tweet at them - they love it when the actual players tell them what was up)

There's some actual really good analysis in the comments sections mixed in the with the idiots.

During the 3 months between making the FT and playing the FT I spent a good deal of time convincing everyone that I was going to be a super nit. JC knew this. I knew JC knew this, I know JC is perfectly capable of opening his SB light against me. In this spot specifically I didn't want to play post flop with JC because he was certainly capable of out playing me if I don't flop a set. I also knew he was frustrated so I 3 bet. After he 4 bet I spent a good bit of time looking at him trying to get a read and I didn't think he was extremely strong, I thought I could get him to fold 77-99, AJs and AQo. I knew how strong clicking back in this spot looks, I'm really only representing 5 hands of which he blocks 2. And because he thinks I'm a super nit and he thinks that I'm really not trying to make moves because of pay jumps, my bet appears even stronger in my mind.

JaySB
Nov 16, 2006



Imaduck posted:

Other than what was shown in TV, how did you do this? Did you like, post stuff on social media saying you were just going to try to fold your way to heads up or something?

Did you notice anything in particular that gave you a read, or just go with your gut here?

JC and I have a lot of mutual friends through poker, we all spent a bit of time traveling to poker tournaments between July and November that year and all of our sponsors sent us to WSOPE. So I would "talk strategy" any time I could with the guys telling them I planned to nit it up and that I was running sims and I was gonna be upset if I didn't get at least 4th based on my stack size and table position etc etc etc.

I'm a firm believer that a HUGE aspect of live poker that gets overlooked is your perceived image at the table. I basically never bluff people I don't know because I look at myself in the mirror and say "I'd probably call that guy" I look like I would play hyper laggy and be a station.

Being seated directly next to JC, I was able to see his eyes behind his glasses and he just didn't look pleased with the way the hand was playing out. I think he took a bit more time than normal to 4 bet me there and I thought his sizing was smaller than previous re-raises I'd seen from him. We had played a few hands together throughout the tournament as well. But I guess mainly it was just gut feeling.

e: I also didn't think JC thought I was capable of 3 betting him light much less 5 betting him

JaySB fucked around with this message at 00:30 on Mar 22, 2017

JaySB
Nov 16, 2006



You can probably slow down on the raising on the turn, even C/R that flop 7 ways to a flop is questionable after a bet and a raise. There's a pretty solid chance someone ends up with AJ/J9 there with that action. Although I play basically no LHE so I don't know wtf I'm talking about. I can probably find a river fold as I don't think those idiots are re-raising on the river without nutted hands.

JaySB
Nov 16, 2006



I've been grinding hard in the Upswing Poker Lab. If you're at all serious about getting better at poker I'd highly recommend it.

I was not paid to say that and had to pay for access to the info but the few tweaks I've put into my game since then have been well worth the cost.

JaySB
Nov 16, 2006



How is a 100bb pot monstrous?

JaySB
Nov 16, 2006



If you aren't playing 100+bb pots at the mid/low stakes live you aren't 3 betting enough.

JaySB
Nov 16, 2006



Sheep-Goats posted:

I should add that the WSOP is probably a lot better for people who play 5/10 as their reg game. The Vegas 5/10 regs can be pretty tough to make a living against and they're probably relieved to see fresh blood for a while each year.

Ehhh the Wynn 5/10 used to be the best game in town. Uncapped game and guys would just come dump money. 5/10 is still decent around town but the 10/20+ games get really good during WSOP. Most people are probably better off game selecting well for a 2/5 game than playing a tougher 5/10 though.

JaySB
Nov 16, 2006



Prancing Shoes posted:

The WSOP killed off the November Nine: https://www.pokerstrategy.com/news/world-of-poker/The-WSOP-will-no-longer-have-a-November-Nine_100909/

I'm happy to see it go, but I'm curious what your thoughts are about it Jay. Do you feel like you would you have benefitted from no November Nine during your run, or were you glad to have the break for study?

Study? Lol I drank the whole time.

I think it's not good for the player and probably not good for the average fan. The break allows time for the Nine to get sponsors and ESPN to build hype around them. Coaching, etc etc are all pretty important to most people. I think some players will want to carry the momentum they have going into the FT and not have a break though.

JaySB
Nov 16, 2006



It's probably really high and there's a lot more that goes into studying for the FT than memorizing push/fold charts which you know ICM plays a big part at the FT. And if you're not a HU specialist or short don't have much experience playing short handed it's gonna be near impossible to play perfect factoring in everything else.

JaySB
Nov 16, 2006



That's kind of a fundamental question for anything. If you enjoy something you do it, but it's way better if you can get paid if you're good at it right?

I love the social aspect of poker. I also love taking other people's money.

JaySB
Nov 16, 2006



Sheep-Goats posted:

I was in Treasure Island playing at their one going table one time and this old failed wizard looking fucker that was in there was complaining about the day Vivek Rajkumar and his friends came in and "ruined the game" by just shoving 500 in every hand. Made me wanna bust him but that game is terrible and I can't take playing in there very much. They offer this thing where if you do I think 40 hours at the table they give you 500 bucks at the end of the week, I forget the details, but it means it just attracts some real bone dry grinders at a 1/2 table. No thanks.

Haha, that was like 6 years ago at the Wynn, 7 of us joined a 1/3NL table and proceeded to make it 1/3/6/12/24/48 and sometimes 96

JaySB
Nov 16, 2006



maskenfreiheit posted:

So what are most people's heuristics for when to go in vs fold?

I've been practicing and notice I have tendency to get bored and try to see the flop with sub par hands like J8s.

Just don't see the flop w/o at least a pair or suited face cards?

Lol wut

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JaySB
Nov 16, 2006



There's literally a million resources on hand ranges. Sticking to "pairs and suited face cards" is awful.

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