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open24hours
Jan 7, 2001

KennyTheFish posted:

The reduction in trade barriers, the undermining of social services and the erosion of labour bargaining power all stem from the same core neo-liberal ideas. The increase in income inequality is a goal of the system, not a side effect.
People have been arguing in favour of free-trade since long before neo-liberalism was a thing. It fits into neo-liberal philosophy, but that doesn't mean it's an exclusively neo-liberal idea and it doesn't have to mean selling out the population.

Cartoon posted:

That's pure obfuscation. If free trade is meant to improve life for 'us' as a nation then there needs to evidence of it doing so for 'us' as a nation. I've presented the counter argument (decreasing prosperity from admittedly a very good starting point).

The report does talk about policy settings effecting the distribution of wealth. All those jobs in manufacturing sacrificed on the alter of pure liberalised trade? They weren't the ones in the 99 percentile group.
I don't see how trade restrictions would make things more equal. If high tariffs were brought back it seems extremely unlikely that it would be done in a way that would help the working class. People would just be getting shafted in a slightly different way.

What I'm trying to say is that free-trade isn't responsible for inequality, nor would trade restrictions solve inequality. You can have a society where the wealth is shared with or without free trade, and it's welfare rather than trade policy that will determine what kind of society you have.

open24hours fucked around with this message at 02:41 on Aug 1, 2016

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Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


open24hours posted:

That's what you get for trusting people.

Reminder of the deal he made:

quote:

Senator Leyonhjelm in return agreed to oppose a Labor amendment requiring a guardian or independent witnesses be present when government officials collect biometric samples — such as finger­prints, blood or saliva — from children or people with disabilities at Australia’s borders.

Although he broadly agreed with the Labor initiative, the Liberal Democrat senator said it was more important to him that the sunset clause was built into regulation banning the Adler.

“The Adler itself probably is not a do-or-die issue, but it is being seen by the shooting community as the thin end of the wedge,” he said.

I personally am shocked that the government opposed to that amendment can't be trusted.

starkebn
May 18, 2004

"Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"
Leyonhjelm is scum I wish he'd never gotten that number 1 ticket spot

thatbastardken
Apr 23, 2010

A contract signed by a minor is not binding!
two greens senators back in WA

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
THE judge named to lead the Royal Commission into youths in detention in the Northern Territory has resigned from his role, disappointing the Prime Minister.

lol that ended quickly

LibertyCat
Mar 5, 2016

by WE B Bourgeois

starkebn posted:

Leyonhjelm is scum I wish he'd never gotten that number 1 ticket spot

To the contrary he is good and I'm overjoyed he has probably been reelected.

The Adler: 1887 technology designed to skirt 1996 legislation.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
Pauline Hanson's One Nation has landed its second Senate seat with the election of candidate Rodney Culleton in Western Australia.

Gentle reminder Rodney may not be able to serve at all as he is still awaiting sentencing on a stealing charge and is preparing for another criminal trial.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/jul/20/potential-wa-one-nation-senator-fails-in-bid-to-delay-trial-over-stealing-charge

But if so he will just be replaced by whomever One Nation chooses anyway.

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



Lid posted:

THE judge named to lead the Royal Commission into youths in detention in the Northern Territory has resigned from his role, disappointing the Prime Minister.

lol that ended quickly

Lmso what

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

His daughter was assistant to the NT Labor Attorney General in 2010 which covers the period to be looked at so clear conflict of interest as he would be investigating the attorney generals office and what they knew.

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

open24hours posted:

That's what you get for trusting people.

*Reads first paragraph*
*Scrolls past the rest of the post while chanting 'no one cares' over and over again*

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
What Medicare should be in the 21st century: a radical blueprint for the federal government's Health Care Homes scheme

Healthcare "hubs" would become one-stop-shops for integrating hospital, specialist, GP and allied health services, where patients would have greater autonomy over their tailor-made care, a radical blueprint for revolutionising Medicare envisions.

The proposal would also see patients given online access to their own health information, including tests and appointment bookings.

The federal government's healthcare agenda is the target of a new report released Monday by an expert group of medicos, consumer advocates and researchers that aims to wrench Australia's "1980s" model of healthcare into the 21st century.

A massive overhaul of the current outdated system required "an absolute redesign of infrastructure, health team roles and models of delivery care around the needs of the patient," read the report by the expert roundtable co-hosted by the Royal Australian College of General Practitioners (RACGP), the Consumer Health Forum of Australia, the George Institute and the Menzies Centre for Health Policy.

The plan also demanded a fundamental cultural shift, where patients would cease to be passive consumers and accept more responsibility for their healthcare as active members of a multidisciplinary team.

"We can either struggle with a 1980s health system that does little to confront the realities … or take concrete steps towards driving changes that reflect 21st century knowledge and healthcare management and information technology," said RACGP president Dr Frank Jones.

The report builds on the "Health Care Homes" model of care where health planning, testing and treatment are centred around patient preferences and delivered by a multidisciplinary team.

The federal government announced funding for the first stage of a Health Care Homes trial in the May budget, and up to 65,000 patients will be able to enrol for it across as many as 200 practices from July 2017. Few details have been released at this stage.

The "one-stop-shop" healthcare "hubs" – inspired by similar schemes in the US and Canada – would provide patients with more individualised attention.

A patient's first point of contact may not always be a face-to-face GP consultation, the report explains.

Instead, the system would integrate hospitals, specialists, allied health and community-based services through a mix of in-person, phone and email consultations.

"These reforms require a major cultural shift and large-scale transformational change that build on Medicare's principles of universal coverage and simplicity," Associate Professor James Gillespie of the Menzies Centre for Health Policy said.

The current Health Care Homes plan focuses on managing patients with chronic conditions including cardiovascular problems, obesity and diabetes.

But the blueprint imagines a system designed to care for every individual, with a focus on keeping people healthy, just as treating acute illness.

"Better patient experience makes better patients. We can achieve this in Australia by rethinking healthcare so that the system is not structured around provider priorities but rather ensures the patients is at the centre of decision-making in a co-ordinated system," said the chief executive of the Consumer Health Forum, Leanne Wells.

"Governments need to realise that not only will this change mean happier healthier communities, it also stands to deliver better outcomes for the economy, frequently replacing expensive hospital stays with more effective, less expensive care in the community," she said.

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.
Brian Martin has resigned as head of the RC into NT Juvenile Detention.


e: jesus christ I didn't realise it was the same guy that used his courtroom to provide a character reference for five white people who beat an indigenous man to death

Solemn Sloth fucked around with this message at 04:43 on Aug 1, 2016

starkebn
May 18, 2004

"Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"

LibertyCat posted:

To the contrary he is good and I'm overjoyed he has probably been reelected.

quote:

Senator Leyonhjelm in return agreed to oppose a Labor amendment requiring a guardian or independent witnesses be present when government officials collect biometric samples — such as finger­prints, blood or saliva — from children or people with disabilities at Australia’s borders.

Strong libertarian values

LibertyCat
Mar 5, 2016

by WE B Bourgeois
You have to pick your battles - that may have been the only chance he had to introduce a sunset clause.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

LibertyCat posted:

To the contrary he is good and I'm overjoyed he has probably been reelected.
It's still in doubt, it could be someone equally bad like the CDP.

starkebn
May 18, 2004

"Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"

LibertyCat posted:

You have to pick your battles - that may have been the only chance he had to introduce a sunset clause.

Oh, I forgot. It's always more important to libertarians to be allowed to have a gun than to make sure kids don't get abused by those who have power over them.

Amoeba102
Jan 22, 2010

Trading other people's civil liberties for personal toys seems like the libertarian MO.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

It's August already cant we get a new government thread?

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010


Ignore my posts!
I'm aggressively wrong about everything!

SynthOrange posted:

It's August already cant we get a new government thread?

Yeah, somebody do this today sometime and I'll lock the thread tonight when I get home.

I didn't expect my call of 'wait for government to actually be clear before a new thread' to end like this.

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

Anidav posted:

The proposal would also see patients given online access to their own health information, including tests and appointment bookings.

Now if only there was some way to guarantee that people could do their consultations conveniently and remotely, and be able to transfer their medical records and tests from provider to provider...

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop

SynthOrange posted:

It's August already cant we get a new government thread?
Well as evidenced by the NT Royal Commission this government is like having a different government every day. A lovely government yes but there you go.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
We need to know whether the result will be challenged in Herbert before a new thread can go up.

NPR Journalizard
Feb 14, 2008

Of course it will be challenged, what bit in the last 30 years of politics makes you think the LNP will just accept losing without causing as much problems as possible?

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
Guys Sonia Kruger has a new hot take for us.

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.

Jumpingmanjim posted:

Guys Sonia Kruger has a new hot take for us.

Do tell

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

Jumpingmanjim posted:

Guys Sonia Kruger has a new hot take for us.

"I'm also afraid of Sudanese immigrants. No, I'm not racist. As a mother, I..."

G-Spot Run
Jun 28, 2005
Dear under/unemployed graduates,
You're still not alone and the glut is still being peddled as a good thing. But it's still your fault for not repaying your HECS debt from your below-threshold job because Reasons.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

SONIA Kruger has unleashed controversy on morning television yet again, this time laying into a scholarship program for LGBTI high school students.

The television host slammed the scholarship as “reverse discrimination” on the Today Extra show this morning, two weeks after her call for a ban on Muslim immigration sparked a widespread backlash.

Dubbing the program “odd”, Kruger said she did not understand why a $7000 scholarship was being reserved for a lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender or intersex student.

“I don’t think it should have anything to do with the awarding of a scholarship,” Kruger said. “I thinks scholarships should be given on merit.”

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
Why don't universities buy up TAFEs and start offering degrees in trades?

open24hours
Jan 7, 2001

Why would they want to?

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

Why don't universities buy up TAFEs and start offering degrees in trades?

That Japanese student isn't getting sent to Australia by his rich parents to become a plumber, come the gently caress on

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
Well their argument is that fewer people are going into trades because there is a stigma around it being a lesser pathway as well as businesses requiring literally any degree to make it into consideration for entry level positions. It seems like you could kill two birds with one stone.

MysticalMachineGun posted:

That Japanese student isn't getting sent to Australia by his rich parents to become a plumber, come the gently caress on

Well yeah, but that article's point was that domestic students increasingly are just seeing university as a mandatory step in their education post-highschool. Were TAFEs hugely unprofitable?

Amethyst
Mar 28, 2004

I CANNOT HELP BUT MAKE THE DCSS THREAD A FETID SWAMP OF UNFUN POSTING
plz notice me trunk-senpai

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

Well their argument is that fewer people are going into trades because there is a stigma around it being a lesser pathway as well as businesses requiring literally any degree to make it into consideration for entry level positions. It seems like you could kill two birds with one stone.

I don't think you "get" university deans. They aren't in it for the education.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
But they're literally saying there's an underserved market, it seems like an obvious step for anyone interested in selling education as a commodity too.

open24hours
Jan 7, 2001

I think a bachelor's in a trade would have the same stigma as an apprenticeship, but I don't think tradies are the real problem here. If you want to be a plumber you don't need to go to university and people who employ plumbers wouldn't expect you to have, but if you want to be an office admin or whatever things are different.

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

Kat Delacour posted:

Dear under/unemployed graduates,
You're still not alone and the glut is still being peddled as a good thing. But it's still your fault for not repaying your HECS debt from your below-threshold job because Reasons.

The universities which comprise the Group of 8 generally espouse pretty poo poo public opinions

You Am I
May 20, 2001

Me @ your poasting

Kat Delacour posted:

Dear under/unemployed graduates,
You're still not alone and the glut is still being peddled as a good thing. But it's still your fault for not repaying your HECS debt from your below-threshold job because Reasons.

The Group of Eight is one of the biggest morally incompetent, neo con, "heads buried in the sand" bunch I have ever come across. They are so out of step with what people think and do these days. There was an email from the VC of my university saying how they were unable to explain the current political situation and how it would effect the university, as they were hoping that the fee deregulation would go through the senate.

I'm surprised the student unions are raising more of a stink over this, rather than the usual Trots/Socialist/Young Labor/Young Liberal infighting

Mr Chips
Jun 27, 2007
Whose arse do I have to blow smoke up to get rid of this baby?

Recoome posted:

The universities which comprise the Group of 8 generally espouse pretty poo poo public opinions
would you be surprised to hear that some G8 unis let the Liberal party use University property for fundraising events at no charge?

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Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

Mr Chips posted:

would you be surprised to hear that some G8 unis let the Liberal party use University property for fundraising events at no charge?

ouch

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