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 Johnny Five-Jaces posted:BORN TO PLOW Welcome to a world of papery despair and Tarmogoyfs! This is the thread for the Eternal formats of magic, namely Legacy and Vintage. We also talk about Modern, despite the fact it’s not actually an “Eternal” format, but mainly because we’re slightly less pedantic than WotC’s marketing team. Also due to this, despite the fact Commander is “Eternal”, that thread is elsewhere. What’s the difference between the eternal formats? This is a 2 part answer. If you’re asking about legality, it’s easy! Modern has a card pool of 8th Edition or later. Supplemental products are excluded, and there’s a banlist. Legacy has a card pool going back to Alpha, but supplemental products such as Conspiracy and the Commander precon decks are legal. There’s also a banlist. Vintage is a no holds barred land of mystery and wonder, where every card since Alpha is legal. It’s banlist only excludes cards that deal with rules magic doesn’t have anymore, but it does have a restricted list, which contains cards you may only have one of in your deck. It’s the most powerful, and expensive, format. But really, what’s the difference? I mean, Legacy plays Delver, and that’s modern legal! That last answer doesn’t really give you a good picture of the actual differences between the formats. Let’s look a little deeper. Modern is the “cheapest” of the Eternal formats. Decks run from about $100 dollars for a budget deck to $1,300 for the top cost decks in the format. Modern is often characterized by its Shockland/Fastland manabase – lands that can enter untapped have limits or costs, and there’s a lot of manlands running around. This means the format can be very friendly towards aggressive creature-based strategies, and interactive fast-closing decks. You can read more about the modern format in other places. Modern is often considered a “Turn 4 format”, meaning decks must be able to interact, and can oftentimes win on turn 4. Legacy is the poster child of Eternal formats. It’s more costly than modern, mainly due to the fact that the Reserved List exists, but we’ll get to that later. Decks run a gamut of prices, but none are very budget – the cheapest competitive decks will still run over $1,200 dollars, with the pricery options reaching nearly 3 large. There’s also Shardless BUG which is nearly Four Thousand United States Dollars. All that said, there’s a reason beyond scarcity that these decks are expensive! Legacy is often considered the deepest and most interesting format in Magic. While this is obviously subjective, no format sees such a breadth of top-tier competitive decks, and the much deeper card pool featuring cards such as Force of Will means that there’s often much more complex board states than can be found in Modern or Standard. A majority of this OP will be devoted to this format, since there’s a lot to cover between EMA and the Gauntlet. Legacy could be considered a “Turn 2 format”, again meaning that you must be able to interact by turn 2, and there are many decks that can win on their second turn with no interruption. Vintage is again a strange beast. It’s easily the most expensive format in Magic – the Power Nine (Black Lotus, etc) were only printed in very small quantities in paper, and many decks play all 9 of them. A cheap Vintage deck will run you $3,500 (Dredge), but most ‘real’ Vintage decks are close to $20,000 at this point. Be aware that it’s a very different format from most of magic, and not everyone will enjoy it past the honeymoon period of casting Lotus. For those that endure, however, they get to sling the greatest spells from Magic’s history! Vintage is a “Turn 0” format – many decks can win on the Play, turn 1, before you get the chance to drop a land. Wait holy f did you say twenty thousand dollars? Or, ‘What is this Reserved List?’ Back in the early days of the game, Magic ran in to trouble with reprints. You can find the details in other places, but the bottom line is that there’s a number of cards that Wizards has said they Will Never Reprint In Paper Ever For Serious. This notably includes the dual lands, which form the manabases for nearly every Legacy and Vintage deck. Beyond this point I won’t mention cost (except where I will) because unfortunately it’s not something that can be avoided – these formats are an expensive hobby. Can I not pay that much? (Magic Online, etc) Well, you can pay less at least. Magic Online seems to be where WotC is pushing these eternal formats. That’s fine if you can deal with the client, but be aware that for legacy especially, the online metagame is very, very different from paper. This means that if you want to play at Eternal Weekend, MtGO might not be the best practice. Deck prices on magic online for Legacy and Modern range in the 400-700 dollar range, with Vintage about 1-2 hundred dollars more than that. The other option is playing XMage, which has rules support, or Cockatrice, which doesn't. They're marginally worse than MtGO's client, but also have the advantage of being 'free'. Many people use these to test against each other, or for the thunderdomes. 
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A Quick Look At Legacy Legacy is a format I could gush about all day (pun intended). Here’s some information on the the format, then the decks you’ll see in the gauntlet. Getting in to Legacy So, you’ve decided you have too much money and want to play cardboard with us. Cool! Like I’ve said repeatedly, it’s not a cheap hobby, so before you burn your Benjamins there’s some things you can do to make sure you won’t regret anything. 1) Play multiple decks before you buy anything! This can be through Magic Online’s gauntlet if you want to play online, but my favorite thing to do is to play proxy decks against friends. Find some lists that have done well recently (or that you take from here) and print them out on http://magic.bluebones.net/proxies/ - then, sleeve up some bulk, cut them babies out, and slide ‘em on in! The best part here is that Legacy decks change slowly, so after a few decks you’ll have a “Gauntlet” of your own that you can test decks against, or just jam for fun! There’s nothing worse than spending a thousand dollars on a Tabernacle to find out that you think Lands is boring. 2) Don’t pick a deck, pick an Archetype. The largest money sink in any Legacy deck is its manabase. Duals aren’t cheap, so a great way to save money but still have variety is to build into an archetype instead of a single deck. If you like Delver decks, your Topical and Volcanic Islands and Forces can change between them. Like dumb combo nonsense? Maybe it’s a pair of Underground Seas and a playset of Lion’s Eye Diamonds that you need. Prison archetypes will need Wastelands and Rishadan Ports, and Miracles needs Tundras. Find a deck you find interesting, and see if there’s other decks built off that same manabase. I’d make a venn diagram but honestly it’s a lot of work and the bottom line is that Badlands are aptly named. I give a short list of Archetype cards each deck has in the next section. 3) Condition is secondary. There’s a large drive I’ve seen in many Modern and Standard players to buy “Near Mint” cards at TCGMid. If you try that in Legacy, you’re wasting a lot of money. If a volc is sleeve playable (you’ll be double sleeving), it still taps for red and blue. Use eBay, twitter, and Grand Prix as opportunities to find duals/etc far under the TCG Mid cost of a near mint card. 4) Build into a deck via another deck. If you play Modern infect and want to transition to Legacy, you can start with Shocklands instead of Tropical Islands, for example. It’s obviously not where you’ll want to end, but many times a deck can work on a fetch/shock manabase as you spend cash on Force of Wills. Hopefully these will make sure you get the most bang for your buck as you build. Archetypes When I talk about archetypes, I’m talking about decks that share cards, usually in manabases. There are a few major ones. Note that these don’t necessarily denote similar –play styles-, just similar card bases. Some decks fit multiple even! Brainstorm Decks: These are the ‘blue decks’ that legacy is famous for. Tropical/Volcanic Islands and blue fetchlands are the hallmarks of shared cards, as are Force of Wills and Jace, The Mind Sculptor. These include most Delver variants, Miracles, Show & Tell, Infect, and Shardless BUG. Black Decks: Anything that plays Bayou. They probably also play Liliana and Abrupt Decay. 4c Loam, Team America (BUG Delver), and Shardless BUG fit this archetype. Note that Shardless is here as well, which is one of the reasons it’s expensive! Prison Decks: These decks have a large mana-denial plan in Rishadan Port and Wasteland. Most will also run Karakas, though that seems to be coincidence. D&T and Lands fit this archetype. Degen Decks: Decks that combo! Underground Seas abound, as do Lion’s Eye Diamonds many times. ANT and Reanimator are the gauntlet decks that fit here. Fast Mana Decks: The Sol Land decks. Ancient Tomb, City of Traitors, Wastelands, and Lotus Petals will show up in these. Painter, Eldrazi, and Show & Tell go in here. This is the end of the ‘real’ OP – the next post(s) will be an overview of popular decks in Legacy, as chosen by WotC. You can use them to see what decks fit similar archetypes, and get an idea of what expensive cards you’d need to jump in to that deck. Skyl3lazer fucked around with this message at 15:04 on Jun 2, 2016 |
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Decks So, let’s take a peek at some of the decks you’ll see around. Archetype Cards: Tundra, Force of Will, Volcanic Island, JtMS, Scalding Tarn Miracles is the main control deck of the format. It leverages the loving annoying card Sensei’s Diving Top with cards like Counterbalance to generate nearly free and infinite value, then finishes the game off with Jace or a boatload of Angels. Recently, some Miracles builds have also started to run Nahiri the Harbinger and an Emrakul as a fast clock combined with great card selection. One thing to note about Miracles is that it’s much more popular online than it is in paper, mainly because Eldrazi is a good deck and Moat is cheap online. The main skill involved with this deck is memory – between Brainstorm, Top, and Jace, you’ll almost always know at least one of the top three cards in your library, and the more you Top the less time you’ll have to win. Example - Joe Loesset’s “Legends” build - http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/423592 Loesset is a master Miracler, and that’s reflected in his build choice. This build can be slower to win than others, but adds a powerful prison ability in the Karakas/Venser, Shaper Savant loop. Budget Options: One Hallowed Fountain over a Tundra. More basics, and play Blood Moon. Shardless BUG Archetype Cards: Tarmogoyf, Force of Will, Liliana of the Veil, Bayou, Underground Sea, JtMS Shardless is the ultimate value deck. It’s one of the few decks in legacy that plays actual card draw, in Ancestral Visions. It leverages the power of cascade on the three-mana Shardless Agent to hit a number of extremely powerful, but select, cards. Note that there are no situational cards under three mana, they’re all in the sideboard. The only counterspell is Force of Will (5 mana), and the only spell that you can’t literally always cast is Abrupt Decay. The deck packs a powerful disruption suite, and its popularity in part is due to a very positive matchup against Miracles. Example -A fairly generic 5-0 league list - http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/423593 In this build he’s playing 3 Hymn to Tourach and only 2 Liliana, so he’s more prepared than most to face combo decks such as Storm. Overall it’s a very balanced list for nearly any meta. Budget Options: Face Yourself And Turn To Bloodshed. This deck is expensive because it requires a very difficult mana base to actually work, and there’s not really any room for cuts. ANT (Ad Nauseam Tendrils) Storm Archetype Cards: Underground Sea, Lion’s Eye Diamond, Volcanic Island, Tropical Island Storm is a huge bogeyman deck, and a great example of the Legacy format. It plays 0 creatures mainboard (and only 0 power creatures in the sideboard), and just looks to chain together 10 spells to kill you. There’s a ton of synergy between the cards, and it’s very skill intensive to find the exactly correct line in a given situation. It also packs some disruption so it doesn’t immediately fold to a Force of Will. Example – 3rd place at an IQ - http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/424719 This is a pretty standard list. Another Trop in the sideboard and a second Disfigure means he might have a few more D&T players in his meta. Budget Options: Playing another basic is acceptable, as is using a single shockland over a Sea. You –can- play a Steam Vents over the Volcanic, but this deck uses its life total as a resource, so all of these options hurt more than they might otherwise. Sneak and Show Archetype Cards: Show and tell, JtMS, Force of Will, City of Traitors, Scalding Tarn, Volcanic Island S&T is a super straightforward cheaty deck. You throw Emrakul or Griselbrand at your opponent until they die or concede! Example – Omniscience Build - http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/424729 This example is a different flavor from standard Show and Tell in that it packs two Omnisciences to let you actually cast Emrakul, which seems pretty cool. Also note the budget option in the Steam Vents over a third Volcanic Island, since it’s only actually worse if you have to fetch and shock it! Budget Options: Steam Vents over Volcanics, Ancient Tombs over City of Traitors. You could avoid dual lands entirely in this deck and probably still have a good showing. Reanimator Archetype Cards: Force of Will, Underground Sea, Volcanic Island, Scalding Tarn, Show and Tell This is a graveyard focused deck (obviously) that seeks to do mostly the same thing as Sneak and Show. You stick very costly cards in your graveyard, then bring them back with very cheap spells, exactly as Richard intended. This deck isn’t as common as it once was – Deathrite Shaman is a hell of a card – but it’s in the gauntlet so it’s on this page. Example – “Man I hope they don’t have a DRS turn 1” - http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/420955 A good picture of current Reanimator. Some builds will run Jace, Vryn’s Prodigy in the sideboard, but this guy says gently caress it and has a Keranos and Sphinx of the Steel Wind instead. Budget Options: Seas can be shocks pretty easily. You could also use Through the Breach instead of the Show and Tells in the sideboard if you want to play a singleton R/U shock or dual. Lands Archetype Cards: Um…..Wasteland? Rishadan Port. Sadness. Mox Diamond. Karakas. Lands in my unbiased opinion is the deck for the coolest and best people. It abuses the fact that Life from the Loam, like all dredge cards, was probably Not OK To Print, and the fact that Magic has been printing lands since 1994. Previously it was convoluted and involved casting Intuition, but now the most common build is a very straightforward combo deck via Thespian’s Stage and Dark Depths. You get to play the best tutor package in Legacy in Gamble + Crop Rotation, and then get very sad when you discard your Exploration on an 8 card hand. While this deck has been popular recently, it’s a hard one to build in to since it has cards which are both very expensive and useless outside of variations of Lands. Example – David Long’s “Dark Lands” - http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/399411 This variant splashes Black for some game against Miracles via Abrupt Decay. It also gets to play hand disruption in the sideboard, and Dark Confidant. There’s a lot of room for variation in Lands because you play such a large manabase, so you can splash to a third color very easily. There’s R/G/w builds that play Gaddock Teeg, for example. Budget Options: Don’t play Tabernacle and just lose to elves and other poo poo randomly. Death and Taxes Archetype Cards: Wasteland, Rishadan Port, Æther Vial, Karakas D&T is a strange deck – it seems almost budget, and never actually feels ‘good’. That said, it somehow still goes 50/50 with a lot of decks, so maybe I’m just bad at it. You play a lot of cheap white creatures that make your opponent have a bad day, then kill them over 20 turns with a Stoneforge Mystic (not really). This deck is a dog vs Miracles unless you’re very good at it, in which case it’s also about 50/50. Example – How did this win? Weird - http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/424734 A more or less standard D&T list. It’s playing a Mishra’s Factory for reasons I’ll never know. Wait Spirit of the Labyrinth is a 3/1? Cool. Budget Options: The deck, in general. Ports are expensive now but honestly they’re still very necessary. It’s also the only real expensive in the deck more or less. You could probably cut a single Karakas for a plains if you wanted to, or another Flagstones. Infect Archetype Cards: Tropical Island, Force of Will, Misty Rainforest Infect is basically the modern deck, but a turn faster. It uses the same creatures but gets to cast Brainstorm and Berserk, which are cool cards. I’m actually shocked it’s in the Gauntlet, as only Tom Ross seems to be able to win with it with any regularity. Example – Tom Ross - http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/381078 Here’s Tom Ross playing his deck, yep. I love the deck building genius here – the one of Green Sun’s Zenith in the main is moderately useful game 1, but in sideboard games it means your Viridian Corrupter is really two of them. The same goes with the Crop Rotation – One main and one side means the 1 of Wasteland, Bog, and Karakas are actually 3-ofs. Budget Options: Trops can be Shocks super easily here. Verdant Catacombs/Misty Rainforests can also just be Windswept Heaths or Wooded Foothills. Elves Archetype Cards: Bayou, and Gaea’s Cradle so you can put one in your EDH deck. Unfortunately for it, Elves has a lot in common with Lands w/r/t “cards that only go in one deck”. That said, it’s super fun. You get to twiddle a bunch of creatures for 5 minutes while your opponent waits to get ‘hoofed in the face for a billion while you have 200 million mana floating. Example – Some Elves - http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/420956 I don’t know why this elves deck is any different than any others because they all have too many one-ofs. I assume it’s fine because it’s won a few 5-0 leagues. Budget Options: Bayous can be shocks super easily. That is about it. Cradles are 100% necessary as a 4-of. Eldrazi Archetype Cards: Chalice of the Void, City of Traitors, Wasteland, Karakas Man look at that another format ruined by Eldrazi. Not as ruined I guess, but OGW literally created its own archetype in a format that hasn’t seen such a shakeup since OmniTell got to cast Dig Through Time. Even then, that wasn’t a new deck, just a better version of an old one. This is a stompy deck, which means you’ll play chalices quickly to disrupt people while you play cool 5/5 haste trample 3 drops. It’s very, very straightforward. Example – A bunch of people’s day got ruined because this guy came 1st in an IQ - http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/423032 Bog standard list. Cast mans, turn sideways. Budget Options: Could play trinispheres over some a chalice, but generally this deck is cheap. It also might not need 3 Karakas. Delver Decks (Temur, Grixis) Archetype Card: Appropriate Dual Lands, Force of Will, Wasteland, Tarmogoyfs*, JtMS*, Snapcaster* (* is build dependent) So I’m cheating a bit here but I’m going to combine the Delver variants, of which there are two in the gauntlet. The Grixis one isn’t actually playing delver but that’s because it is a terrible list. The goal of delver decks is generally tempo – disrupt your opponent and win with a 3/2 flyer. Delver decks are very popular because winning with them makes people feel smart. Generally they will play 40-50 bad cards, put together in a way that somehow goes 50/50 with every deck ever. These decks are harder to play than they’ll seem at first, because resource management is very important when all your cards suck. Here’s a Temur and a Grixis List. Of the delver variants, Temur is the least popular. Temur Example – http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/410252 Grixis Example - http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/424915 I don’t have much to say about these lists individually since they’re both fairly standard. If you’re looking to play delver, you have a LOT of options in flavor. Budget Options: Play Another Deck. You can’t use shocks because Daze makes them very bad in Temur, and in Grixis you’re only running 5-6 fetch targets. Straight R/U delver that plays Price of Progress over Wasteland could be a good starting point to getting into delver decks. 4c Loam Archetype Cards: Chalice of the Void, Mox Diamond, Bayou, Wasteland 4c Loam (aka Aggro Loam aka WotC’s awful name “Four-Color Punishing Knight”) is a surprisingly more aggressive version of Lands, basically. You’re playing the same Stage-Depths win condition, but with a few alternates – Liliana of the Veil, Knight of the Reliquary, and Scavenging Ooze can put a fast clock on opponents as well. The deck is really interesting – it plays a billion one or two of cards, but has a lot of card advantage and tutoring. Example – Kory Ponting - http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/399402 This was Kory’s build as of a few months ago. He plays the heck out of 4c loam, and I trust his deckbuilding. Seems like a house. Budget Options: This one is difficult. The manabase, as could be expected with a 4c deck that also plays wasteland, can be very finicky. Your best bet is shocks over duals, but playing Bob makes that a difficult proposition still. On the plus side the cost is spread over a bunch of cards instead of just a few, so it can be easier to piece this one together. Painted Stone Archetype Cards: Force of Will*, City of Traitors, Painter’s Servant, Imperial Recruiter* (* is build dependent) Painter is another weird deck for the gauntlet – it’s barely ever played, because the deck isn’t very good. It can, however, sometimes just slam a blood moon down on turn one and say “Can you beat this?”. The version WotC put in the gauntlet is a straight dog against every other deck in my opinion. That all said it’s a deck a lot of people enjoy for some strange reason. Grindstone and Painter’s Servant create an infinite mill combo, so you just really hope they don’t have an Emrakul. Which, you know, 4 of the decks do. Make sure you have a Tourmod’s Crypt out! Example – The one 5:0 on MTG Goldfish - http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/408400 Tah dah. Budget Options: The blue variant doesn’t need the 350$ uncommon Imperial Recruiter, so there’s that. City of Traitors can be Ancient Tombs. Holy gently caress there were more decks in that gauntlet than I anticipated that was a lot of words Yay! There’s an overview of all of the gauntlet decks. There’s plenty of others! Maverick / NicFit still exists, Burn is playable, Stax is great, Dredge should always be respected, and for some reason people still play Xblade decks. With the largest card pool and no incentive to ‘solve’ the tournament really, there’s also a ton of room for innovation. Go forth and brew! Play the gauntlet! Open packs of EMA only to realize it was a bad idea! You may now return to your regularly scheduled suicidesteve hatepost. Skyl3lazer fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Apr 24, 2017 |
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Snacksmaniac posted:Is that Eldrazi deck overloaded with Karaks for Show and Tell? I've only been playing one. And I can't remember if I had diamond still. Not a fan of SSG in the deck. I think there's two main builds of eldrazi - the fast mana disruption one that likes to play SSG, etc, and the midrangier one that plays multiple Endbringers and Jittes.
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mehall posted:I'm currently working out what I can play without much that isn't from EMA, or the last 10 years or so. Your best bets currently for EMA and non reserved-list decks (and I should mention these in the op) are OmniTell, Death & Taxes, Burn, or Eldrazi. NicFitis a fine-ish deck but you'll still need a fair amount of duals to make it 'good' since it's often a 4-5 color deck. $500 is not a particularly large budget for paper legacy, even burn is closer to 700 now. An interesting thing to try if your budget is pretty strict around $500 is to go into dredge. You can start with Manaless Dredge, which is a BAD DECK. However, it's very cheap. From there you can get LEDs as you have money, which lets you play actual Dredge. That is a much better deck at the very least, though still not really top tier. However, after you have the LEDs / Cabal Therapy / Petals / etc, you can start building towards ANT. You'd obviously start with shocks there instead of seas/volc, but it gives you a clear path of progression assuming you like degen decks.
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^^ "Nic Fit" is just a catchall for the GBx builds - they're anywhere from 3-5 colors, have a bit of a ramp strategy, and win via creatures. It was just a joke name from the Source forums where someone said they had a deck that they thought would be "a nic fit for the current meta". The misspelling stuck. Honestly if I was going to do a NicFit deck it would be a maverick or abzan in general version - turn 2 siege rhino, and you get to play the GB commander that has experience counters for good value. Jund in general (both "real" jund and nicfit) are a bit of a dog in the current meta, but that doesn't matter too much if your local isn't full of Miracles and Delver. Lists similar to this : http://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/legacy-nic-fit-25716#paper There's a lot of room to budget off that deck, especially if you have fetches or any of the duals. Skyl3lazer fucked around with this message at 16:30 on Jun 2, 2016 |
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empathe posted:Alright, Legacy League let's do this. Playing Legend Miracles.   It went down some, at one point Miracles was 27% VVVV Eldrazi is easily Tier 1. It has an amazing Miracles matchup, and very good matchups against other decks that aren't Shardless. Really, Shardless and (maybe) Lands are it's only actually bad matchups. Skyl3lazer fucked around with this message at 18:08 on Jun 2, 2016 |
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suicidesteve posted:Every viable deck in every format sucks. Ban Gitaxian Probe, Chalice of the Void, Deathrite, every delve card but the original 3 and Temporal Trespass, Griselbrand, restrict Gush, unrestrict Lodestone, ban Eidolon, Inkmoth, Mox Opal, Ensnaring Bridge, and everything with Hexproof except for Geist and Thrun in modern. Then ban modern and get rid of the reserved list. Ive been waiting for this post since the OP
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C-Euro posted:Word, I'll check it out. There's gotta be a site or app or whatever out there where you can plug in multiple decklists and see what cards they have in common, right? http://www.shoeboxmtg.com/login.php does it. I think MTGGoldfish and Deckbox.org also have premium features that do it? e; Nah those just let you put in cards you have and it'll compare them. I don't think any directly compares lists.
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eSporks posted:I don't really keep up with new sets, is there any sweet new tech to add to my nic fit doomsday deck? What about porting it to vintage? I'm staring at this list and I think I got an aneurysm.
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mcmagic posted:I always like just jamming with a deck like this and if they have the answer they just have it. No you meant Flip Jace
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The March Hare posted:PSA you can get the mirror in the legacy gauntlet on MTGO. I assumed this would not be the case, but after putting my opponent on storm he tried to go for the turn 2 study/reanimate (which was also my turn 2 play!). Thankfully I didn't study the turn before and also had force, easy games boys. That's a weird but understandable decision. I wonder if someone get an all-painter bracket.
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eSporks posted:Can wizards please make a playable red planes-walker with a + ability other than loot? Legacy playable? Sounds dubious.
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http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/gppra16/top-100-legacy-metagame-grand-prix-prague-2016-06-12 Prague Top 100 meta game breakdown Eldrazipremacy
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EvilBeard posted:Or a turn 1 Blood Moon. They can cast like, 3 creatures? Endless one, ssg, and mimic!
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Do people bring in Sphere of Resistance against Miracles?
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http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?20529-DTB-Miracle-Control&p=954705&viewfull=1#post954705 Here's a tournament report from the 2nd place miracles player at gp Prague. He talks a bit about his lines.
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A friend reminded me of the greatest match of mtg's history so please enjoy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLK4UYqk8s0
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Please keep in mind steve exaggerates like a motherfucker and goyf is still a really loving good creature.
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suicidesteve posted:Name a good deck in legacy that plays it. Shardless? Bug Delver?
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The March Hare posted:Are there any legacy decks you can build 100% out of promos? I think the closest I've found is d&t. Goblins I believe has everything but the manabase.
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The March Hare posted:Any of you nerds playing legacy at Montasy in NYC tonight? I'm doing my first sanctioned event with lands and I'm missing 7 of my sideboard cards so I'm running some... interesting sb options. Just jam 4 tireless trackers and 3 Nissa worldwaker and call it a day
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mcmagic posted:Why isn't anyone else playing this deck? They.....are? Like, Eldrazi decks get lumped by tcdecks and mtggoldfish and such but they're out there.
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Jul 5, 2016 15:19
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L0cke17 posted:I have a dilemna. Should I register 4x moat for an upcoming legacy tournament, or 4x chains of mephistopheles? Or try to brew something with both. Run 4x Tabernacle as well just to strut your stuff. e; And mirror gallery. I wonder if that affects the Global Enchantment restriction, but I don't think it does.
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Jul 14, 2016 17:01
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So Miracles lives through the B&R. I really wish WotC did justification paragraphs on "No changes" the same way they do on the bans and unbans.
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Jul 18, 2016 16:56
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suicidesteve posted:Yep. Just ban Terminus and I'll be happy. And Peregrine Drake. Making infinite squirrels isn't lore-friendly
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Jul 18, 2016 17:57
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Kraus posted:Earthcraft, Mind Twist, and Goblin Recruiter. Everything else is way too absurd. Recruiter can never be unbanned solely for tournament operation issues.
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Jul 18, 2016 23:11
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Kraus posted:That's dumb reasoning. Skilled players will sucessfully and swiftly complete their stacks. Bad players will get game losses. Judges are supposed to correct incorrect game flow or states, not act as nanny to every single player who's playing a dumb card. gently caress it's hard to get slow play calls already.
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Jul 18, 2016 23:23
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Any 4c Loam players out there? I'm staring at the 'default' sideboard and have no idea what matchups I'm bringing some of these in for (Garruk, Maelstrom). Also can you engineered plague 'Monk' to kill Mentor tokens? Tokens get their type by default now right?
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Jul 19, 2016 14:31
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always be closing posted:Any thoughts on this hoogland spirits brew? Looks pretty cool. gently caress Clique, add Kira.
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Jul 28, 2016 14:44
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Rogue0071 posted:Yeah, we both realized it was a bug. Can I file for comp even though I won the match (possibly because of the bug, not really clear if my opponent could have won that game anyway)? Do it anyway see what happens
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Jul 29, 2016 04:18
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Anyone playing in the sunday Legacy even at the Baltimore Open this weekend?
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Jul 29, 2016 14:18
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AgentSythe posted:The Mighty Quinn trip report: it's bad Oh lmao were you the guy playing that? It looked sweet
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Aug 1, 2016 06:09
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AgentSythe posted:you monster I was the guy playing belcher in the 4pm sat event
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Aug 2, 2016 16:46
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AgentSythe posted:oh okay. I haven't seen the Hoogland list - I was thinking of the second thing you said Yes  (To be fair that game was sweet as hell)I made 10 goblins, swung for 10, he Wipe Away'd one, swing for 9, then he peeled Echoing Truth on the last turn, and had to time spiral 4 times into capsize buybacks to win. Skyl3lazer fucked around with this message at 13:43 on Aug 3, 2016 |
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Aug 3, 2016 13:40
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Kraus posted:Were I to test Bedlam Reveler in Legacy Burn, should it be a one-off, or are more warranted? Whenever I'm testing a card I add one more than I think I'll play just to draw it more often.
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Aug 9, 2016 21:46
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C-Euro posted:Someone talk to me about why I should or shouldn't take UW Turbofog to Modern FNM tomorrow instead of my usual Mill list. You shouldn't for 2 reasons 1) Modern sucks 2) The deck is bad
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Aug 12, 2016 00:40
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Truly an epic for our time
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Tales of Adventure is hosting Eternal Extravaganza V in Baltimore this year on October 15-16 or thereabouts so huzzah for a big legacy event that isn't in Ohio.
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