im using emacs now

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Symbolic Butt: Mar 22, 2009; (_!_); Buglord

MALE SHOEGAZE posted:

you might be doing something wrong because in my experience helm+projectile works way better ootb than both ctrlp and unity.

unlike vim, emacs can do threads so the entire application doesn't freeze while it populates your file list. it also doesn't freeze for seconds while it syntax highlights a 10 kloc file.

idk if I delete a file or rename it, helm+projectile still lists it and this is ruining my mojo

# ? Jun 25, 2016 19:26

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# ? May 16, 2024 03:32

Symbolic Butt: Mar 22, 2009; (_!_); Buglord

one thing that I'm seriously missing is persistent undo

I put this on my dotfile

code:

if exists('+undofile')
    set undofile
    set undodir=~/temp
endif

and bam, persistent undo is good and fine.

emacs doesn't seem able to do this without corrupting files or some ridiculous poo poo

# ? Jun 25, 2016 19:32

The Management: Jan 2, 2010; sup, bitch?

Symbolic Butt posted:

bloody told me to use gvim and... this is something that I didn't even consider because I totally forgot gvim was a thing. but it's probably the most logical thing and I should've tried it before spacemacs welp

for a graphical editor, gvim's interface with the gui is terrible.

# ? Jun 25, 2016 19:36

leftist heap: Feb 28, 2013; Fun Shoe

Cybernetic Vermin posted:

tbqh if you sort of want vanilla editing them vim spanks emacs (mostly due to it being proud emacs tradition that every default be set to the worst possible setting, and customization should be hard so that people learn elisp, etc., spacemacs may be fixing this), if you ever find yourself actually wanting to extent your editor for some thing you are doing you do have a far better toolbox in emacs than just about anything else

so, yes, if you want to cj your editor

it's insane how much emacs and emacs packages have utterly insane defaults. the explanation the helm dev has for tab doing something utterly stupid is crazy

Please remember that, when you use Helm, you never TAB to complete prefixes like vanilla or other packages like Ido and its related packages. In Helm, when you type something, candidates get updated automatically. In vanilla Emacs, you have to TAB to get a/ list of candidate. This is a great feature from Helm, not a miss of feature. You have to forget the mentally of TABBING to get candidates. If you want quick completion of search patterns in Helm prompt, you always have hippie-expand to replace the TAB behaviour, as introduced at the beginning of this section. This is the biggest confusion for new people switching to Helm. When you are used to Helm, you will love it.

except you still want to use tab to complete a selection, especially using helm to browse files and absolutely everybody everywhere expects tab to complete, not enter some sort of hosed up menu that nobody uses. first thing anybody using helm does is rebind that poo poo.

# ? Jun 25, 2016 19:38

emoji: Jun 4, 2004

Symbolic Butt posted:

idk if I delete a file or rename it, helm+projectile still lists it and this is ruining my mojo

It's not just you. It frequently doesn't reflect current reality. And also I thought emacs was notoriously not able to use multiple threads?

# ? Jun 25, 2016 19:59

Moo Cowabunga: Jun 15, 2009; [Office Worker.

give back the op's ctrl+6

# ? Jun 26, 2016 06:51

GameCube: Nov 21, 2006

Symbolic Butt posted:

bloody told me to use gvim and... this is something that I didn't even consider because I totally forgot gvim was a thing. but it's probably the most logical thing and I should've tried it before spacemacs welp

oh. cygwin. lol. cygwin is neat but it's slow as balls for me

on windows the correct answer is to find a decent IDE plugin

# ? Jun 26, 2016 07:06

mike12345: Jul 14, 2008; "Whether the Earth was created in 7 days, or 7 actual eras, I'm not sure we'll ever be able to answer that. It's one of the great mysteries."

Anyone using Hyperbole next to org? I've skimmed the manual, seems it adds a bunch of functions, while replicating others. Not sure if it's worth delving deeper, still feel like I haven't mastered org completely.

# ? Jun 26, 2016 11:41

GameCube: Nov 21, 2006

ive been looking for a decent way to do xamarin development on os x because xamarin studio is Dog poo poo Garbage, i googled "emacs xamarin" and all i found was some F# poo poo. that's emacs users for you

# ? Jun 27, 2016 00:51

jony neuemonic: Nov 13, 2009

it's true, emacs users have great taste.

# ? Jun 27, 2016 02:09

jony neuemonic: Nov 13, 2009

serious suggestion though maybe try visual studio code?

# ? Jun 27, 2016 02:10

GameCube: Nov 21, 2006

suuuucks

all I want is autocomplete/intellisense + good vi keybindings and i spent like two days trying to get a bunch of vim plugins working before I said gently caress it and went back to using my windows laptop w/ visual studio + viemu. literally the only reason I want my macbook to be usable for dev is because it's lighter than my dell

# ? Jun 27, 2016 02:51

Flat Daddy: Dec 3, 2014; by Nyc_Tattoo

spacemacs is great. i just started using its magit layer instead of command line git and that's really good too.

# ? Jun 27, 2016 03:55

atomicthumbs: Dec 26, 2010; We're in the business of extending man's senses.

# ? Jun 27, 2016 04:13

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

atomicthumbs posted:

an elegant computer, for a more civilized qge

# ? Jun 27, 2016 05:48

Smythe: Oct 12, 2003

MALE SHOEGAZE posted:

an elegant computer, for a more civilized qge

it was a POS

# ? Jun 27, 2016 05:49

Smythe: Oct 12, 2003

PC LAB SUPREMACY

# ? Jun 27, 2016 05:49

Schadenboner: Aug 15, 2011; by Shine

Smythe posted:

PC LABE

# ? Jun 27, 2016 05:57

GameCube: Nov 21, 2006

emac: the educational macintosh

# ? Jun 27, 2016 06:02

Coffee Jones: Jul 4, 2004; 16 bit? Back when we was kids we only got a single bit on Christmas, as a treat
And we had to share it!

leftist heap posted:

I love to janitor my .emacs.d

every time I decide to bite the bullet and learn emacs for clojure dev I wind up dicking around and then find myself twenty minutes into trying to figure out why the emacs package manager isn't working and

jony neuemonic posted:

serious suggestion though maybe try visual studio code?

Config files are JSON (and not lisp). it provides reasonable defaults you can override on a per-project basis.
There's auto complete on those options. So far so good.

Coffee Jones fucked around with this message at 06:27 on Jun 27, 2016

# ? Jun 27, 2016 06:24

Asymmetric POSTer: Aug 17, 2005

Smythe posted:

it was a POS

# ? Jun 27, 2016 07:25

Asymmetric POSTer: Aug 17, 2005

middle school imacs running mac os 8 or whatever were complete garbage

# ? Jun 27, 2016 07:25

triple sulk: Sep 17, 2014

atomicthumbs posted:

the aesthetic of the emac owned

# ? Jun 27, 2016 07:47

Captain Foo: May 11, 2004; we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

wish you tried ctrl-alt-del mode before posting

# ? Jun 27, 2016 14:34

Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

GameCube posted:

suuuucks

all I want is autocomplete/intellisense + good vi keybindings and i spent like two days trying to get a bunch of vim plugins working before I said gently caress it and went back to using my windows laptop w/ visual studio + viemu. literally the only reason I want my macbook to be usable for dev is because it's lighter than my dell

every vim plugin or whatever is always subtly different from actual vim and useless as a result

# ? Jun 27, 2016 15:03

Captain Foo: May 11, 2004; we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

Bloody posted:

every vim plugin or whatever is always subtly different from actual vim and useless as a result

an epsilon away from useless is still useless, yeah

# ? Jun 27, 2016 15:04

Flat Daddy: Dec 3, 2014; by Nyc_Tattoo

Bloody posted:

every vim plugin or whatever is always subtly different from actual vim and useless as a result

Not evil/spacemacs*

*except for when you enter some old rear end mode accidentally that does't respect the vim override. but you just C-x k outta there right away so it doesn't matter

# ? Jun 27, 2016 15:22

GameCube: Nov 21, 2006

triple sulk posted:

the aesthetic of the emac owned

have i got a tumblr for you ! http://y2kaestheticinstitute.tumblr.com/

# ? Jun 27, 2016 15:22

GameCube: Nov 21, 2006

what's the best windows emacs, anyway.

# ? Jun 28, 2016 17:09

MancXVI: Feb 14, 2002

GameCube posted:

what's the best windows emacs, anyway.

notepad++

# ? Jun 28, 2016 18:33

GameCube: Nov 21, 2006

reported. enjoy your ban, fucko.

# ? Jun 28, 2016 18:39

mike12345: Jul 14, 2008; "Whether the Earth was created in 7 days, or 7 actual eras, I'm not sure we'll ever be able to answer that. It's one of the great mysteries."

GameCube posted:

what's the best windows emacs, anyway.

https://sourceforge.net/projects/emacsbinw64/

# ? Jun 28, 2016 19:08

leftist heap: Feb 28, 2013; Fun Shoe

the official releases are fine these days on winders

# ? Jun 28, 2016 20:37

GameCube: Nov 21, 2006

i was an Apple Boy the last time i used emacs and i remembered xemacs being a thing. but i guess that wouldn't be windows, would it. L.O.L..

# ? Jun 28, 2016 21:04

Cybernetic Vermin: Apr 18, 2005

xemacs is no longer a thing; lucid is dead and jwz now sells overpriced drinks

i still haven't quite recovered having to discard my xemacs-specific config

# ? Jun 28, 2016 21:36

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

Cybernetic Vermin posted:

xemacs is no longer a thing; lucid is dead and jwz now sells overpriced drinks

i still haven't quite recovered having to discard my xemacs-specific config

and the saddest thing is that lemacs is still nicer than GNU emacs

I'm eager to get my lispm up and running so I can use Zmacs with a Symbolics keyboard

# ? Jun 28, 2016 22:15

emoji: Jun 4, 2004

I use Strongbad's fork, sbemacs.

# ? Jun 28, 2016 22:37

GameCube: Nov 21, 2006

here i go once again with the emacs. once again i hope that it's from a femacs.

CHANGELOG
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v1.0 - Initial release.
v1.1 - [YOS-001] Fixed incorrect pronoun.

GameCube fucked around with this message at 03:57 on Jun 29, 2016

# ? Jun 28, 2016 22:49

EndlessRagdoll: May 20, 2016

emacs overwhelms the poo poo outta me in comparison to vim/tmux. I'm struggling to not be a fuckin rube on a notepad editor anymore.

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Julie And Candy posted:

notepad++ bithc

yeah

# ? Jun 28, 2016 23:08

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