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| Independence Day 2: Resturgeonce |
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44 | 21.36% |
| ScotPol - Unclustering this gently caress |
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19 | 9.22% |
| Trainspotting 2: Independence is my heroin |
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9 | 4.37% |
| Indyref II: Boris hosed a Dead Country |
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14 | 6.80% |
| ScotPol: Wings over Bullshit |
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8 | 3.88% |
| Independence 2: Cameron Lied, UK Died |
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24 | 11.65% |
| Scotpol IV: I Vow To Flee My Country |
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14 | 6.80% |
| ScotPol - A twice in a generation thread |
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17 | 8.25% |
| ScotPol - Where Everything's hosed Up and the Referendums Don't Matter |
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15 | 7.28% |
| ScotPol Thread: Dependence Referendum Incoming |
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2 | 0.97% |
| Indyref II: The Scottish Insturgeoncy |
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10 | 4.85% |
| ScotPol Thread: Act of European Union |
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5 | 2.43% |
| ScotPol - Like Game of Thrones only we wish we would all die |
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25 | 12.14% |
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is it still SNP policy to all but eliminate air passenger duty if the power’s ever devolved from Westminster?
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hyper from Pixie Sticks posted:Are you prepared to die in defence of the union? I'm hoping it won't come to that. forkboy84 posted:The only thing Pissflaps is willing to die for is sending people weirdly stalky abusive PMs This is an ad hom attack and also a lie.
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Jun 5, 2019 23:40
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Pissflaps posted:I'm hoping it won't come to that. You are a loving idiot. Also looking forward to yet another referendum
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Jun 5, 2019 23:44
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Cerv posted:is it still SNP policy to all but eliminate air passenger duty if the power’s ever devolved from Westminster? Yes. The SNP's green credentials are that yellow is what happens when you add green to blue.
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Jun 6, 2019 08:08
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Natalie McGarry jailed for 18 months for embezzlement. Her young child will now spend a year and a half being raised by a Tory. Is it really fair to punish a kid like this for their mother's crimes?
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Jun 6, 2019 13:12
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Fuckin lol https://imgur.com/gallery/pOjxY7B
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Jun 19, 2019 23:49
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the SNP bravely voted with the Conservatives today in defence of AirBnB. thank you Comrade Sturgeon for your brave anti-capitalist work https://twitter.com/FerretScot/status/1141416992156655618 Article on the Wightman amendment that was voted down: https://www.commonspace.scot/articles/14378/yielded-industry-lobbyists-andy-wightman-s-short-term-lets-regulation-proposal
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Jun 20, 2019 00:12
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Rumor has it that today's announcement about gender recognition reform will be further delaying it to make room for more consultation, so it's a good week for SNP Disappointments
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Jun 20, 2019 08:04
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Angepain posted:Rumor has it that today's announcement about gender recognition reform will be further delaying it to make room for more consultation, so it's a good week for SNP Disappointments so you're saying the reactionaries in a nationalist political tent are able to agitate infinitely more efficiently than the progressive bloc because the liberal ruling authority kowtows to them at the drop of a hat? almost as if building this big tent leads to this outcome in basically every instance? who'da thunk it
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Jun 20, 2019 08:17
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CoolCab posted:so you're saying the reactionaries in a nationalist political tent are able to agitate infinitely more efficiently than the progressive bloc because the liberal ruling authority kowtows to them at the drop of a hat? almost as if building this big tent leads to this outcome in basically every instance? who'da thunk it Are you trying to take over from Pissflaps as chief SNP disliker? You always seem to pop in with a half baked hot take whenever they come up.
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Jun 20, 2019 15:27
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marktheando posted:Are you trying to take over from Pissflaps as chief SNP disliker? You always seem to pop in with a half baked hot take whenever they come up. That's not fair, we already have Jedit
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Jun 20, 2019 15:31
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The flat next to mine is an Airbnb let and the owner is the worst person I've ever met. Any legislation that inconveniences him is something I'd vote for.
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Jun 20, 2019 15:41
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Yeah central Edinburgh there are more flats with those little key safes than without them. Air bnb poo poo is out of control.
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Jun 20, 2019 15:43
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Angepain posted:Rumor has it that today's announcement about gender recognition reform will be further delaying it to make room for more consultation, so it's a good week for SNP Disappointments Announcement just made: delayed, another consultation of unclear length, no recognition for non-binary people or under 16s, the trans discourse hellscape continues on
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Jun 20, 2019 16:03
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Yep...I'm in Edinburgh and own my flat, but most of the flats in the building are short term lets. It's out of control. I am a landlord myself (and thus scum) but it's a long term lease up in Aberdeen and my tenant was carefully vetted.
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Jun 20, 2019 16:06
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Angepain posted:Announcement just made: delayed, another consultation of unclear length, no recognition for non-binary people or under 16s, the trans discourse hellscape continues on Disappointing but not surprising, I was pretty much expecting the SNP to cave on this since it seems in the current climate being supportive of trans people isn't a vote winner. Chas McGill posted:Yep...I'm in Edinburgh and own my flat, but most of the flats in the building are short term lets. It's out of control. Added you to the list.
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Jun 20, 2019 16:10
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marktheando posted:Are you trying to take over from Pissflaps as chief SNP disliker? You always seem to pop in with a half baked hot take whenever they come up. But this is a bad thing though? I mean feel free to jump in here with a spirited defence of the SNP teaming up with the Tories to protect AirBnB any time.
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Jun 20, 2019 16:10
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Aramoro posted:But this is a bad thing though? I mean feel free to jump in here with a spirited defence of the SNP teaming up with the Tories to protect AirBnB any time. Oh I'm not going to defend that, it's obviously lovely. It's just that CoolCab is a broken record when it comes to the SNP and is one of those people who thinks anyone pro indy is basically a nazi because nationalism. I think he might be the guy who kept repeating "nationalism is mind poison"
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Jun 20, 2019 16:22
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marktheando posted:Are you trying to take over from Pissflaps as chief SNP disliker? You always seem to pop in with a half baked hot take whenever they come up. pft, pissflaps is a poundstore me. I don’t oppose nationalism because it winds people up - I oppose nationalism because it’s unethical, dangerous and should be opposed. e: I see you’re familiar with my work and yet you say this to me? I’m offended!
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Jun 20, 2019 16:24
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CoolCab posted:pft, pissflaps is a poundstore me. I don’t oppose nationalism because it winds people up - I oppose nationalism because it’s unethical, dangerous and should be opposed. Hmm, so you instead support the neutral and non-nationalist position that the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the United Kingdom of great Britain and Northern Ireland should be maintained.
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Jun 20, 2019 16:27
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marktheando posted:Hmm, so you instead support the neutral and non-nationalist position that the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the United Kingdom of great Britain and Northern Ireland should be maintained. the only unionism I’m interested in is trade. it’s really great that the first thing I get when I say “nationalism is unethical” is “but YOU are a nationalist!” - it sort of betrays that you yourself know it’s unethical and need me to be a hypocrite.
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Jun 20, 2019 16:36
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CoolCab posted:the only unionism I’m interested in is trade. it’s really great that the first thing I get when I say “nationalism is unethical” is “but YOU are a nationalist!” - it sort of betrays that you yourself know it’s unethical and need me to be a hypocrite. But the thing is, a LOT of the anti-SNP crowd is explicitly a pro-Union, British nationalist crowd, that's undeniable. I frame my yes vote in 2014 as anti-imperialist, and i think it's hard not to say Scotland isn't more pro-internationalism than the UK as a whole. The thing is, that doesn't make Scotland some weird outlier, the culture is not much different than the north of England, and if anything north of the Wirral wanted to leave with Scotland I'd be all for that. (Or east of the wirrall. Pretty much just not the drat wirrall). And as I've already discussed with you on discord, if Boris is PM when a new insured is called, I'd find it hard to vote any way but yes, and I know quite a few staunch internationalists who voted strongly no in 2014 who feel the same.
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Jun 20, 2019 16:47
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marktheando posted:Oh I'm not going to defend that, it's obviously lovely. It's just that CoolCab is a broken record when it comes to the SNP and is one of those people who thinks anyone pro indy is basically a nazi because nationalism. The SNP are the party of government and should critised. One of the main problems we have in Scotland just now is the lack of scrutiny that we place on the government because everything is framed as being pro or anti indy. By all means have a dig at CoolCab or whatever but it would be good to have at least some discussion about Scottish politics and not discussions about which poster is and isn't Pissflaps/Zoomer/Class Traitor or whatever.
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Jun 20, 2019 16:48
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CoolCab posted:the only unionism I’m interested in is trade. it’s really great that the first thing I get when I say “nationalism is unethical” is “but YOU are a nationalist!” - it sort of betrays that you yourself know it’s unethical and need me to be a hypocrite. I’m sorry you have to choose between the nationalism of breaking away from an Imperialist project that’s increasingly right wing etho-nationalist and the nationalism of maintaining it.
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Jun 20, 2019 16:48
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It's a loving pain when any (deserved) criticism of the SNP becomes "ah hah, you see, independence is bad and will lead to fascism"
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Jun 20, 2019 16:56
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marktheando posted:I think he might be the guy who kept repeating "nationalism is mind poison" He isn't wrong about that. Regarding the keysafes, there is one positive thing you can take from it. Councils use keysafes on their flats for battered women, to make them accessible without the woman having to visit an office where their abusive partner may be waiting. With the rise of AirBNB causing them to appear everywhere, it's no longer quite so obvious that a flat is a sheltered house.
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Jun 20, 2019 17:05
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Jedit posted:He isn't wrong about that. I mean they were more used by care workers for the elderly so it's hardly an upside.
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Jun 20, 2019 17:09
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Yeah my grandparents had one too for care workers so that was what I associated them with. Looking at somewhere in the old town with shitloads of key safes I actually thought "wow everyone in those flats must be ancient" until I made the airbnb connection.
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Jun 20, 2019 17:19
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Coohoolin posted:It's a loving pain when any (deserved) criticism of the SNP becomes "ah hah, you see, independence is bad and will lead to fascism" its also a pain when any deserved criticism of the SNP is met with but England is worse or but independence is worth it.
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Jun 20, 2019 17:52
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marktheando posted:I’m sorry you have to choose between the nationalism of breaking away from an Imperialist project that’s increasingly right wing etho-nationalist and the nationalism of maintaining it. and I'm sorry your imagination is so limited that your solution to "too many post-imperial ethnostates" is "lets get our own" - that you reduce every (justifiable!) critique of nationalism and nationalist governments into a personal attack on your identity. almost as if your thinking is being constrained somehow - as if some insidious substance is restricting you mentally like some sort of...brain toxin, no, no i'm sure there's a snappier way of putting that. we ain't gonna border our way out of the class struggle. anyone who tells you otherwise ain't your friend. mehall posted:But the thing is, a LOT of the anti-SNP crowd is explicitly a pro-Union, British nationalist crowd, that's undeniable. eh? then go argue with them? there are advantages arguing with nationalists - it is easier, trust me on that. quote:I frame my yes vote in 2014 as anti-imperialist, and i think it's hard not to say Scotland isn't more pro-internationalism than the UK as a whole. "my nation is more internationalist than yours" should be causing enough cognitive dissonance to blow your head off. and i would argue it sort of is - see, your actual internationalism is showing - neither of us care where it's put, there is no good border. there are no good borders, even. quote:And as I've already discussed with you on discord, if Boris is PM when a new insured is called, I'd find it hard to vote any way but yes, and I know quite a few staunch internationalists who voted strongly no in 2014 who feel the same. eh i generally shy away from pms or such when i rhetoric, it tends to get somewhat personal - particularly when i'm arguing from an ethical perspective. i'm not generally interested in getting into specifics - i don't think i have to be? my moral positions don't change based on some Westminster theatrics.
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Jun 20, 2019 17:59
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Been building up to this for a while but now I can finally, definitively and happily state: gently caress THE SNP!
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Jun 20, 2019 18:52
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It's cool how every political party is either repugnant or futile to vote for.
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Jun 20, 2019 19:24
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CoolCab posted:and I'm sorry your imagination is so limited that your solution to "too many post-imperial ethnostates" is "lets get our own" - that you reduce every (justifiable!) critique of nationalism and nationalist governments into a personal attack on your identity. almost as if your thinking is being constrained somehow - as if some insidious substance is restricting you mentally like some sort of...brain toxin, no, no i'm sure there's a snappier way of putting that. I don't want an ethnostate actually. I want to live in a country that is inclusive and welcoming.
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Jun 20, 2019 19:25
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marktheando posted:I don't want an ethnostate actually. I want to live in a country that is inclusive and welcoming. *unless you're trans
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Jun 20, 2019 19:35
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*especially if you're an Airbnb landlaird
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Jun 20, 2019 19:39
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poo poo you got me, supporting independence means I agree with and support absolutely everything the SNP does.
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Jun 20, 2019 19:42
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marktheando posted:poo poo you got me, supporting independence means I agree with and support absolutely everything the SNP does. by their fruits you will know them
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Jun 20, 2019 20:23
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Supporting unionism means you agree with every tory policy
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Jun 21, 2019 14:00
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marktheando posted:poo poo you got me, supporting independence means I agree with and support absolutely everything the SNP does. arguing that scotland is an inherently progressive country and also knowing that the SNP (and the other parties) are poo poo is the true brain genius position
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Jun 21, 2019 14:22
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cargohills posted:arguing that scotland is an inherently progressive country and also knowing that the SNP (and the other parties) are poo poo is the true brain genius position The Greens are good.
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Jun 21, 2019 16:10
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