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Independence Day 2: Resturgeonce | 44 | 21.36% | |
ScotPol - Unclustering this gently caress | 19 | 9.22% | |
Trainspotting 2: Independence is my heroin | 9 | 4.37% | |
Indyref II: Boris hosed a Dead Country | 14 | 6.80% | |
ScotPol: Wings over Bullshit | 8 | 3.88% | |
Independence 2: Cameron Lied, UK Died | 24 | 11.65% | |
Scotpol IV: I Vow To Flee My Country | 14 | 6.80% | |
ScotPol - A twice in a generation thread | 17 | 8.25% | |
ScotPol - Where Everything's hosed Up and the Referendums Don't Matter | 15 | 7.28% | |
ScotPol Thread: Dependence Referendum Incoming | 2 | 0.97% | |
Indyref II: The Scottish Insturgeoncy | 10 | 4.85% | |
ScotPol Thread: Act of European Union | 5 | 2.43% | |
ScotPol - Like Game of Thrones only we wish we would all die | 25 | 12.14% | |
Total: | 206 votes |
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keep punching joe posted:The Scottish Six is not about making the news more parochial, it's about making the news more relevant. The BBC has failed to come to terms with devolution and reports on issues that are wholly English as if they are UK wide. Other than for us to point and laugh, what's the point in the national news reporting on junior doctors contracts and a-level results? But we already have "a Scotland centred national news broadcast".
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# ¿ Aug 3, 2016 17:35 |
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Today's scottish newspaper headlines courtesy of STVquote:Here are the stories making headlines in Scotland on Thursday August 4. The National really is beyond parody
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# ¿ Aug 4, 2016 08:21 |
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Jedit posted:They really are the newspaper for sad, bitter racist fucks, aren't they? "Och, I'd never have lost ma job on the telly if only Scotland had voted tae be free, but the English want tae oppress us!" Elaine C Smith was on the board of both YES Scotland and the Common Weal for two years, and as soon as she stepped down from that the Beeb gave her a new sitcom. If this loving idiot lost his job for his Indyref tweets it was for bringing his employer into disrepute, which is not a political matter. I was more meaning in the sense that it's basically social media-type Zoomer bingo: Twitter/IndyRef/BBC bias!!! The subheading is great as well "Pro-Yes actor was written out of the show months later," like it's straight up admitting the causal link is tenuous as hell. And to think (some) writers for the National are the ones pushing hard for Scottish Six when their idea of a major national news story, one more important than anything else that day, is "D-list actor says a thing (or maybe doesn't say a thing) on Twitter." Even if we're being ridiculously charitable and saying the story is "about" freedom of speech it still falls apart: it's really not in any way unusual for employers to have a code of conduct around social media use, particularly around touchy subjects such as politics (and there's also the standard rule of "use your gumption"). I mean, yes there's the issue of the blur between personal/corporate/public statements, which could be an interesting topic in a different context, but that isn't what the National are trying to explore here.
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# ¿ Aug 4, 2016 09:27 |
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Pissflaps posted:This is going to upset some people I agree, that lighting is hideous
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# ¿ Aug 4, 2016 11:30 |
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Extreme0 posted:There are things that don't get reported that can be considered news worthy but don't show it out of either bias or thinking it's not worth much. In all honesty I'm not sure there was a huge amount to that story besides "councils look at facebook for things like anti-social behaviour and their policies regarding social media are a bit crap. Also recommendations are not always implemented." Granted, it's still far more newsworthy than most of the front page stories above, but it's fairly barrel-scraping. I really want to like The Ferret, because the idea behind it is great, but they seem to be trying far too hard to spin every story as some sensational expose of deep rooted corruption, even when, at most, it covers minor incompetence or misunderstanding. Their coverage of charities being involved with workfare does a similar thing. It doesn't help that their reporting is flat out wrong: "one of those named, Govanhill Baths Community Trust, denied it had participated in the scheme," when what they actually said was the much more politician-y "never to our knowledge [have we] engaged in workfare programmes.” But the story runs as "Charities DENY involvement but THE FERRET reveals THE TRUTH." Bearing in mind that the Govanhill Baths Community Trust is a small organisation with 1 whole charity shop to its name (and it doesn't even have that any more), that they might not be au fait with the technicalities of workfare - especially if they haven't been told their "volunteer" is on workfare - is hardly surprising, or indicative of a stink in the soul of society. I'm also annoyed because I like Peter Geoghegan and don't want him writing crap articles. Niric fucked around with this message at 12:13 on Aug 4, 2016 |
# ¿ Aug 4, 2016 12:09 |
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Jedit posted:I got about 45 seconds in before I could bear no more of the soulless husk muttering in a monotone about regional news programmes. How is it relevant? It's a funny and clever poem playing with the ideas (and words) bound up with the common news presenter phrase "and now for the news where you are." You don't have to completely agree with its politics to appreciate its combination of verbal playfulness and political polemic
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# ¿ Aug 4, 2016 19:49 |
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Jedit posted:Not me I'm afraid, I'll be at the Discworld Convention. Speaking of, would you recommend reading the last couple? Haven't read Pratchett in ages and really like the series, but wasn't keen on Snuff and not sure I fancy reading anything less good than that (both for literary and reasons)
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# ¿ Aug 5, 2016 07:44 |
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Newspaper front pages from STVquote:
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# ¿ Aug 5, 2016 08:50 |
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Acaila posted:
Sounds fun, but unfortunately though I'm actually gonna be in Edinburgh its my friend's stag do that weekend so will be shambling around seeing shows (or something) in a non goon group
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# ¿ Aug 7, 2016 22:55 |
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Acaila posted:Niric You can always look out for a largish group of early 30s central belt types looking a bit tipsy and probably a little confused and directionless! Today's headlines from STV quote:Front pages: Stories making headlines in Scotland on Monday And today's winner of the most obnoxiously stereotypical front page is the Mail. Well done to Dacre and co.
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# ¿ Aug 8, 2016 08:31 |
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Tuesday's front pages from STVquote:Front pages: Stories making headlines in Scotland on Tuesday None of the papers are above and beyond terrible today, which is nice. The National obviously continuing its work as unambiguous SNP propaganda sheet, but Corbyn-bashing is a common sport these days, even if its timing here is unique. The Courier definitely has the biggest non-story though; "last train back from world cup-sized event is busy and full of drunks." Who would've thought?
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# ¿ Aug 9, 2016 08:15 |
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Extreme0 posted:https://twitter.com/kezdugdale/status/762525436962283520 'ScotLab leader commits to Union "for worse...for poorer"' says the National
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# ¿ Aug 9, 2016 12:10 |
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From Common Space: The SNP's plans to raid council funds are a serious mistakequote:CommonSpace columnist James McEnaney says the Scottish Government has questions to answer on tax
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# ¿ Aug 10, 2016 18:50 |
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Cheers for all this, you really get an impressive range of stuff. Today's front pages: quote:Front pages: Stories making headlines in Scotland on Monday The National seems to throw even more vitriol at the BBC than the Mail these days, and with about as much justification.
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# ¿ Aug 15, 2016 08:25 |
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cheerfullydrab posted:As an ignorant American, do you think the outcome of the last referendum would have been affected if the two options had simply been "SCOTLAND" or "UK"? No other language whatsoever, no context available at the polling place. Purely speculatively I suspect there would be a bias towards SCOTLAND in that case, since it seems to emphasize abstract identity over an opinion about actual political geography (c.f. "should Scotland be an independent country..."), but it's a strange hypothetical since I really can't imagine a well-run referendum with no contextualising question or information. It's essentially allowing - even relying on - the various campaigns to set question in both tone and content, which doesn't seem like it'd be a great idea
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# ¿ Aug 15, 2016 13:43 |
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Jedit posted:I don't think it would even be that much. Anyone who thought of themselves as Scottish not British was already voting Yes. I don't know about that; "Scottish not British" almost certainly, but I'm sceptical "Scottish more than British" would be quite so stark - and in the absence on a clear question it seems plausible that might come into play. As forkboy says we're probably talking about tiny figures here in terms of any actual effect, but still. Extreme0 posted:It just wouldn't work. Like Labour saying they are socialist and saying Jeremy Corbyn is bad because he's a socialist Phone posting so won't go into rambley detail, but through some luck, clever judgement and what seems to me an almost carbon copy of New Labour's approach with nationalism for binding, the SNP have done a quite fantastic job of positioning themselves politically and I really can't see how labour can recover in Scotland for at least a generation.
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# ¿ Aug 15, 2016 17:04 |
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Tuesday's front pagesquote:Front pages: Stories making headlines in Scotland on Tuesday Nothing that interesting today; just a mix of the parochial and the relatively trivial. The National continues its attempts to mimic the Mail by attacking social services, albeit from a pseudo leftist/progressive POV. Much like the Mail it's also atrocious journalism, which by either stupidity or spite completely misrepresents the situation. Social Work don't have a bank of spare homes they can house families in. They DO have access to potential emergency foster carers who can take in children. They also have a legal responsibility to protect the child's welfare, which is why a child MAY (not definitely) go into care in a case of homelessness. None of which is apparent from the article. gently caress The National.
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# ¿ Aug 16, 2016 08:37 |
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Acaila posted:Also Kin, you really do need to see The Dark Room cos it's ace. Saw it a couple of years ago and can confirm Front pages: Stories making headlines in Scotland on Wednesday quote:The Scottish Sun reports on police failing to link World's End murderer Angus Sinclair to an unsolved murder case. The Daily Record seems to have chosen the most incongruous headline possible for that story, presumably intentionally
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# ¿ Aug 17, 2016 08:07 |
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Front pages: Stories making headlines in Scotland on Thursday quote:The Scottish Sun reports on claims that police are being told not to pursue drug dealers amid cost-cutting. I've no idea if the SNP's drug policy is "soft touch" - frankly I wasn't even aware they had a drugs policy, but fair play if it is. And police Scotland in a not-making-awful-decisions shocker. Pity tabloids don't see it that way. The daily dose of 'Christ, the national really is awful, isn't it?' is pretty bland today, going with tried and tested "just print the government's press release"
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# ¿ Aug 18, 2016 08:17 |
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Front pages: Stories making headlines in Scotland on Friday quote:Here are the front pages in Scotland for Friday August 19. Maybe it's because it's Friday, but none of the front pages annoyed me today (I mean, other than the general tone of moral outrage pervading the tabloids, but that's a given), which makes a nice change.
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# ¿ Aug 19, 2016 08:33 |
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Front pages: Stories making headlines in Scotland on Mondayquote:Here are the stories making headlines in Scotland on Monday August 22. The MacAskill story is pretty weird - I honestly don't know what he's talking about in terms of Scotland "taking the rap" for Lockerbie. He's got a book out, so presumably he's trying to stir up a bit of controversy and make himself sound like both a major player in international justice and a victim of powerful and shady forces. Here's the whole thing from the Scotsman: quote:MacAskill: ‘Scotland took the rap for Lockerbie aftermath’
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# ¿ Aug 22, 2016 09:30 |
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Front pages: Stories making headlines in Scotland on Tuesdayquote:Here are the stories making headlines in Scotland on Tuesday August 23. I know Pissflaps already brought it up, but the National's front page is basically beyond parody in its petty parochialism (see also the two story splashes above it as well). As for ScotLab, I honestly can't see a way forward; as much as I agree with the idea of attacking the SNP for not being progressive I just don't think it will get any electoral traction. The narratives are so entrenched at this point that the SNP can literally campaign on a tax cutting program and people still angrily denounce Labour as the Tory-lite option. Their record in government over the last 9 years isn't good, but that doesn't appear to matter to a lot of people - as long as they avoid any high profile scandals/disasters, continue to blame poor growth/employment/inequality etc etc on external forces, and continue with positive-but-empty rhetoric, I suspect they'll last a lot longer in power than Tom Devine's suggested 5 more years
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# ¿ Aug 23, 2016 10:17 |
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forkboy84 posted:It's definitely a start but it still made no real dent in support. All 3 events are bad but we've yet to have something on the scale of Neil Hamilton, Jonathan Aitken & Jeffery Archer. It's not like the repeated resignations for sleaze of Peter Mandleson brought down New Labour either. Exactly, and even then it's not like it was just those three alone which brought down Major. It has to be a pattern fitting into a wider narrative, whether of nastiness or sleaze or incompetence, else they can be easily dismissed as individual cases not representative of the party etc etc. Scot Lab also didn't help themselves by letting two leaders resign over scandals so piddling (especially in light of MPs expenses) that I can't even remember what they were about. Something about office space for McLeish and a £500 party donation for Alexander? It seemed, even at the time, to be easy enough to just ride them out til the stories died.
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# ¿ Aug 23, 2016 13:28 |
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Front pages: Stories making headlines in Scotland on Thursday No descriptions today, possibly too early (I know how the stv sub feels): quote:https://twitter.com/Daily_Record/status/768567359934267392/photo/1 Mail and the National tied for outright reality-denying headlines
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# ¿ Aug 25, 2016 07:48 |
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Jedit posted:I presume you're referring to the Poldark thing? Because regarding the oil crisis the Mail posted an only slightly more alarmist version of a headline on most of the other papers, while the National went full Chemical Ali. No one, not even the Daily Mail, can believe that this GERS report is a "fatal" blow to the SNP's aspirations for an independent Scotland. Edit: just to clarify, I'm not saying the GERs figures help the case for independence, I just think the mail's headline is woefully (and deliberately) stupid, since this deficit - large though it is - doesn't negate every argument for independence. It's also counter productive for the unionist argument long term (not that the mail gives a poo poo about that really) since it posits that the deficit is the be all and end all - and just looking at Brexit I'm not sure that's a great way to try and frame the debate Niric fucked around with this message at 13:02 on Aug 25, 2016 |
# ¿ Aug 25, 2016 12:52 |
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Pissflaps posted:A key difference in the arguments between Brexit and Scottish Independence is that the UK is a net contributor to the EU whereas Scotland is a net beneficiary of UK membership. I don't disagree - it's key precisely because it's just a simple arithmetical difference that is grasped intuitively, regardless of any context ("we give the EU money and it's poo poo" is much more powerful than "the UK gives us money but it's poo poo"). However, relying on "Independence = you'll be financially poorer" is a dangerous game, however easily expressed, and seems short sighted. Political behaviour isn't just based on a simple economic/financial calculation. I mean, I don't think the Mail cares - they're just stoking/playing to short term anger - but it's daft to act like the deficit has killed off independence as a goal.
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# ¿ Aug 25, 2016 22:47 |
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The biennial Scottish Index of Multiple Derivation was published yesterday - it's a fantastic resource and well worth having a look at, either for specific information about an area, or for a more general overview of the state of Scotland. The BBC did a summary of the major urban areas, which starkly shows the disparities both with and between different areas quote:In maps: Scotland's most deprived areas Also from the BBC, because STV are slow at putting up summaries this morning, here's the front pages. Depressingly, only the courier and the express lead with anything from the SIMD. quote:The Scotsman reports that Prime Minister Theresa May has put the UK on course for a "hard Brexit" which will see the country exit the common market and the imposition of curbs on EU migration.
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# ¿ Sep 1, 2016 08:32 |
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Budgie posted:Looking at that map of the most deprived areas is quite depressing, as pretty much every half decent house that I can afford is in at best an orange zone. There are even some nice looking ones in the deepest red areas but frankly I already knew they'd be red before seeing that map. For what it's worth, my flat is in an orange zone and it certainly doesn't feel like a deprived place, though it's the south side of Glasgow so it's right next to yellow and near some blue and that might be skewing things. My old (rented) flat is in the red and I really liked living there, but Govanhill is a bit unusual. Niric fucked around with this message at 18:12 on Sep 1, 2016 |
# ¿ Sep 1, 2016 18:03 |
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Today's front pages from the BBCquote:The front page of The Herald highlights a report which claims payday lending is "absolutely corrosive to mental health"among those who are already vulnerable. The national continues to be the dullest and least stylish of propaganda while the mail couldn't seem to decide which stock story to go with, so neatly divides the front page equally between (pictures of) THE (young female) ROYALS and CANCER. The Star and the sun go with sex, naturally, and the lack of the express can only be down to loony left BBC bias (not to be confused with "anti-scottish" BBC bias) Niric fucked around with this message at 08:32 on Sep 2, 2016 |
# ¿ Sep 2, 2016 08:29 |
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Monday's front pages from stvquote:Here are all the stories making headlines in Scotland on Monday September 5. Can't say there's much of great interest front page wise today - but nothing particularly bad either (unless you're Keith vaz). Also, a week old, but just got around to reading the current Private Eye, and they had this take on the Stephen Daisley/STV/SNP story:
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# ¿ Sep 5, 2016 08:27 |
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BBC: Scotland's papers: Paige Doherty murder and child abuse inquiryquote:The Scotsman leads with the news that a child has died in Scotland as a result of an E. coli outbreak linked to blue cheese. The only papers with news stories of national interest are the express and the national? What the hell?
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# ¿ Sep 6, 2016 08:28 |
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Coohoolin posted:Interesting approach, this! Scottish universities agree to lower entry standards for disadvantaged students. This seems like it (could be) a really good idea, though the implementation is going to be a bugger; are they proposing means testing every student? I know student loans already (can) involve this, but seems even more of a stretch to do it at the university application stage. Possibly the schools might be able to add a note to any application (and this would probably be easier when/if named person comes in), but it's individuals not schools who apply, and would still require schools to be pushing disadvantaged pupils towards uni, which they could be doing anyway but aren't (or aren't sufficiently/effectively). Jedit posted:You missed out at least one paper, or possibly a late edition, but Nicola Sturgeon apparently just declared that she'd work with the Tories in a Brexit coalition. I haven't read the details so won't comment further, but in any event she may yet take Owen Smith up on his offer of a sweetie. Both the P&J and the National seem to have it. I just did a quick google, so other outlets probably have variants, but as far as I can tell it's a complete non-story: Sturgeon says a "coalition" of people who agree with her would be a good thing, doesn't say who, or how, or in what capacity they'd coalesce, or what this coalition entails, or anything meaningful whatsoever. It's the vaguest of vague political grandstanding, basically Of course, this is totally different from that time Labour politicians worked with Tory politicians on a single issue. That was unforgivable and unjustifiable and a sign they're all the same and means never voting Labour again etc etc P&J: quote:Sturgeon suggests she could work with pro-EU Tories to avoid “hard Brexit” Niric fucked around with this message at 18:05 on Sep 6, 2016 |
# ¿ Sep 6, 2016 17:56 |
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Jedit posted:This is IMO an extremely unwise move; at this point in her premiership Theresa May is in no way going to allow the tail to wag the dog. All Sturgeon has achieved is to cast herself as Nick Clegg 2: Electric Boogal-EU. I disagree on this point of it being unwise or will reflect badly. I think sturgeon is intentionally doing vague substance-less grandstanding. She's quite aware it will have no effect, and is probably happier that way because it means not having to do anything while giving the appearance of doing something. It's meaningless, but it does have a tangible benefit for Sturgeon and the SNP; she's presenting herself as the de facto president of Scotland, suggesting that she and the Scottish Parliament should have a role in foreign affairs. The implication is that the first minister should and in fact is doing all the talking for Scotland on all issues - not Scottish MPs at Westminster, which helps to define Scotland as a distinct political unit
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# ¿ Sep 6, 2016 18:55 |
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jre posted:It's unreadable now because someone posts a 100 front page images and a single comment, then someone quotes them with "I agree" Ach, well if it's unreadable I'll stop; it's just to pass the time on my morning commute.
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# ¿ Sep 6, 2016 23:40 |
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Jedit posted:So you don't see Sturgeon walking back on her party's pledges to get a seat at the big boy's table as a problem? I wasn't invoking Clegg as the boogeyman here - Sturgeon is doing exactly the same thing. Morally? Sure, I think it's pretty hypothetical - and I don't agree with the SNP acting like Scottish MPs aren't a thing. It's the standard we don't have a voice complaint being cranked up to 11 because, er, Scotland is more represented than other groups of 5 million people in the UK. But electorally? I just don't see this as comparable to Clegg, who largely took the rap from disappointed wooly liberals/soft left types/students who were justifiably angered at how extreme the coalition were, especially on austerity. There's not that sense of betrayal going on here, and I just can't see who is going to turn against sturgeon because of it beyond, possibly, a tiny handful of super hardcore nationalists/very lefty types, who would probably vote SSP or similar anyway quote:Scotland's papers: Indyref2 plans and teacher tragedy Niric fucked around with this message at 08:53 on Sep 7, 2016 |
# ¿ Sep 7, 2016 08:51 |
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Reveilled posted:I'm mostly lurking the thread but I'd appreciate it if you'd put the front pages in [timg] tags as it's a lot to scroll through if my browser doesn't jump correctly to unread posts. No probs, since I'm doing it on the app I kinda forget about sizes!
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# ¿ Sep 7, 2016 12:18 |
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Scotland's papers: Student squeeze and police attackquote:The Herald says university principals have that warned middle-class students will besqueezed out of universities under plans to boost the number of poorer undergraduates. Who is it that publishes the star? The current story seems a bit removed from their usual tits and celebs (preferably both) beat, much more the mail or the express's style of random politicised hatred at poor people or foreigners (preferably both).
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# ¿ Sep 8, 2016 08:30 |
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Coohoolin posted:
This would be a lot funnier if it weren't completely disingenuous . It's not surprising - or even particularly objectionable - that the SNP want to talk about independence, but pretending that they don't, and that the overriding goal of independence doesn't influence much of their rhetoric and governance, is just deliberately naive. It's a manifestation of something that I see cropping up a lot; many people, smart, nice people, blindly accepting whatever the SNP say at the current moment at face value, as if they have no experience of political parties. So education is now the sole focus, with no thought of what they were talking about a week ago (see also, "the SNP are the most left wing major party"). Scotland's papers: Dungavel to close and girl to wed school 'janny' quote:The Herald leads with the closure of controversial Dungavel Immigration Removal Centre in Lanarkshire, as doesthe Scottish edition of the Times. Glad to see Dungavel close given its awful reputation, but there's no sign that any new facility won't still be run by private prison profiteers GEO group (who feature in the latest private eye), so it seems unlikely much will change. It's annoying that the focus of the story is Dungavel, rather than the company running it so badly.
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# ¿ Sep 9, 2016 08:38 |
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Scotland's papers: 9/11 remembered and 'Mad Pup Adair' death quote:A photograph of four-year-old Olivia-Mae Johnston dominates in the front page of The Herald. She held a candle at a memorial service to mark the 15th anniversary of the 9/11 terror attacks. Nothing from the courier today, and they have the times image but no text; main story is the same as today's guardian, about Hillary Clinton and a proposed " consultation" on prosecuting companies as well as individuals for fraud. Which seems like a non&story since absolutely nothing has happened on it yet Its been 4 years, but in an uncertain world it's reassuring to know that you can count on old firm fans continuing to be awful
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# ¿ Sep 12, 2016 08:29 |
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Front pages: NHS 'meltdown' and MP numbers cutquote:The news that David Cameron is to quit the House of Commons, while the BBC loses out to Channel 4 to screen the Great British Bake Off, dominates Tuesday's front pages. I'm genuinely surprised about the lack of a significant brexit bump in the polls. Purely anecdotally I know quite a few people, myself included, who are more amenable to the idea of independence since the vote, with no indication any opinions have gone the other way. As a snap judgement I think this might have a lot to do with (in my opinion damaging) identity politics being possibly the major dominant decision making factor; being for or anti independence is how Scottish politics is largely defined, and that's more or less entrenched. It might change when brexit actually heats up and you get some noticeable changes, but I would've thought there would be an evident difference already
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# ¿ Sep 13, 2016 09:06 |