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jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

big scary monsters posted:

There was a whole advertising campaign around meeting under the clock a year or two ago. I don't remember just what it was advertising, possibly the usefulness of the clock for meeting under.

This is the clock in question. It's been a thing for decades

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/13280932.Eye_Spy_Glasgow__Meet_me_under_the_clock/

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# ¿ May 10, 2024 14:20

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

Pissflaps posted:

https://twitter.com/ScotNational/status/849656497084739585

Do Rab's heartfelt words resonate with any of us who attended schools in Scotland?

They must read this forum and are just doing it to wind you up now.

# ¿ Apr 5, 2017 18:59

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

Hoops posted:

Are you saying the Orange Order are the same as the EDL (or say Britain First)? Come on, that's dumb.

They are the same.

# ¿ Apr 11, 2017 19:06

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

Aramoro posted:

I'm not sure a weird photoshop counts as evidence. There's plenty of cross over but not really the same.

I couldn't be arsed wading through photos of orangemen to find the unmolested original, that banner is real

Maybe you could explain the subtle difference between the three racist white supremacist organisations and why anyone should give a gently caress about those differences

# ¿ Apr 12, 2017 11:41

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

Coohoolin posted:

Ruth Davidson says it would be grossly hypocritical of Nicola Sturgeon if she didn't mitigate the effects of the rape clause.

Wouldn't it ?

# ¿ Apr 13, 2017 19:12

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

Coohoolin posted:

English media playing on English anti-caledonian sentiment doesn't mean the SNP are secret Tories, wtf.

anti-caledonian :ughh:

The Tory's were able to run a very successful campaign of vote labour, be beholden to the SNP because Alex Salmond is attention seeking arse and made a point of saying that he'd be writing labour's budget during the campaign. Having concerns about a minority party from Scotland getting concessions to the detriment of the rest of the UK is legitimate and doesn't make you a racist.

# ¿ Apr 23, 2017 11:23

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

jre fucked around with this message at 11:28 on Apr 23, 2017

# ¿ Apr 23, 2017 11:26

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

Coohoolin posted:

Ignoring the subtext of "scheming penny pinching junkie Jocks" is disingenuous to say the least.

Thank you for being offended on my behalf at the anti Scottish racism that isn't actually there.

# ¿ Apr 23, 2017 16:14

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

This stoking up nationalism thing is working out well

quote:

MEMBERS of the Orange Order have won council seats in the local elections by standing for the Labour and Tory parties, the Sunday Herald can reveal. The Orange Order has boasted that its elected councillors will work to derail a second independence referendum, the organisation�s Scottish leader said.

Grand Orange Lodge of Scotland Grand Master Jim McHarg said the organisation now wanted to stir the Unionist population against independence.

A �huge number� of Lodge supporters are Tories, McHarg said, as he praised Ruth Davidson for basing her council election campaign on opposition to a second referendum.

However, McHarg said most of the Protestant Order�s members are Labour supporters as he revealed the organisation�s attempt to extend its political influence. He said the majority of Orange Lodge members who had successfully been elected as councillors were Labour, but added that at least one Tory had also been voted in.

McHarg said at least six of members had been elected as councillors, with dozens more sympathisers also returned in the local elections.

The Grand Master said the Orange Order now had more elected politicians in Scotland among its membership than at any time in nearly 20 years. He said the organisation had members on councils in North and East Ayrshire, as well as in South and North Lanarkshire.

Members of the Orange Order could now sit on council committees that will make decisions on local education policy, including the funding of Catholic schools.

Labour and the Conservatives may end up running some local authorities after they became the largest party in nine areas, including South Ayrshire and North Lanarkshire.

The Grand Orange Lodge of Scotland�s website describes state sponsored Catholic education as �a thorn in the flesh�. It also criticises legislation which �fully legitimised religious apartheid in Scottish schools by enriching the Catholic Church by paying the full price for its school buildings�.

McHarg refused to reveal the identities of those winning seats, but claimed the victories were a growing sign of pro-Union strength.

He said: �We�re delighted that our members are taking part in community life and I�m personally very proud that they are working for the community in this way. It can do no harm to the Unionist people.�

McHarg said the lodge had yet to find out the exact numbers of its members who had been elected and in which areas they had won. However, he added that Glasgow and the east of Scotland were likely be other places where the lodge had new councillors.

McHarg said: �We are still collating the numbers of members elected, but we believe six members of the institution have been elected to councils and that various other friends have too.�

He added that there were �probably� dozens of other newly elected councillors who were sympathetic to the Lodge and that this was an increase on those in place after the 2012 local elections.

McHarg confirmed those standing had not explicitly stated in their election literature that they were Lodge members. However, he claimed they had not sought to hide their membership from the public.

He said: �They wouldn�t have hidden it from people. Everybody in the community would know who they are.�

McHarg said the Orange Order had intervened in politics to prevent a second independence

referendum being held. He added that the organisation had shunned politics for decades, but that the rise of the independence movement had led to Orangemen deciding to get involved again.

He said: �A lot of people were fed up with politics. We felt like a lot of people weren�t being listened to.�

McHarg added that the number of lodge members elected as councillors was now at its highest rate �certainly since 2000� just a year after the start of devolution.

McHarg said that he had voted for two Labour candidates and one Tory in the North Ayrshire council area, including one who attends the same church as him, adding that he had yet to decide which Unionist party to back in the General Election.

The Lodge leader also went out of his way to praise Ruth Davidson for her role in the campaign against independence, saying: �It�s probably helpful that the Tory Party has gone down that line. Ruth Davidson comes across well.�

Speaking about the political leanings of Lodge members, McHarg added: �Our members are very diverse. There are a huge number of Tories, but the majority are Labour.�

He said the lodge would now be suggesting that its members back

Unionist parties in the General Election on June 8. �We�ll never tell

people how to vote, but I�d guide people to support Unionist candidates,� he added.

McHarg also said the Lodge could stage another mass parade against independence like that held in Edinburgh days before the referendum on September 18 in 2014.

He said: �At the moment we�ve no desire to, but if we think there�s a need to stir the Unionist people we�d consider it.� McHarg said the Lodge may even consider encouraging Orangemen to seek election to Holyrood.

However, the Lodge�s intervention sparked concerns from SNP and Green members. Scottish Green leader Patrick Harvie said: �Most people will view the Orange Lodge as an unpleasant organisation with a sectarian past. Any party that knowingly selected members of it would have some very difficult questions to answer.�

Scottish Greens� local government spokesperson Andy Wightman added: �Residents will be very disappointed with councillors who feel that issues that have nothing to do with local politics are deemed important in local elections.�

An SNP source said: �The Orange Order has made claims before and any claim now that it has significant influence is certainly overestimated.�

In response to McHarg, a Scottish Labour spokesperson said: �Every Labour councillor elected will fight for their local communities, not a

divisive second independence referendum the people of Scotland don�t want.�

The Tories declined to comment on McHarg�s claims that it had at least one councillor who is a Lodge member.

Meanwhile, the Electoral Commission, the independent body which oversees elections in the UK, confirmed it would have no locus over the Lodge�s activities in the event of any complaints being made.

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/15271615.Orange_Order_elected_to_councils_as_Labour_and_Tory_members/

# ¿ May 8, 2017 18:54

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

forkboy84 posted:

Wait, will you just clarify for me something?

Are you blaming the Scottish nationalists for the Orange Order? Because I guarantee you that this is not some stunning new development, there have been councillors who have been members of the Orange Order in Scotland plenty going back decades. It is of course of blight on the face of this country, but it's got gently caress all to do with the independence referendum "stoking up nationalism" for fucksake.

I'm blaming the SNP for polarising Scottish politics around nationalism which has led to the Scottish Tory resurgence as Labour got squeezed out for not having a natural position on either side.

# ¿ May 8, 2017 20:04

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

Which bit is unhinged ?

Stating that the SNP have polarised Scottish political discourse around nationalism ?
Stating that Labour have been hosed because they don't have a natural Unionist or Nationalist position ?
Stating that the resurgence of the Tories has led to an increase in councillors with orange order sympathies ?

# ¿ May 8, 2017 20:14

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

keep punching joe posted:

Wait Orangemen standing as Tory councillors and voting Tory when they have historically stood as Labour councillors and voted Labour is somehow the fault of the SNP?

Historically Labour was the only party not virulently anti-catholic in Scotland. The SNP has an wonderful history of opposition to the papes. Do I need to post that Billy Wolfe thing again ? Can you name all the orange order members who historically stood as labour councillors ?

forkboy84 posted:

unhinged, unhinged unhinged

Insinuating I have a mental illness because I have a point you dislike is a bit cunty and you should stop it

# ¿ May 8, 2017 23:27

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

Juliet Whisky posted:

From the article you cited:

the majority of Orange Lodge members who had successfully been elected as councillors were Labour,

Weird how he doesn't name them isn't it ? Almost like he's being disingenuous ?

quote:

most of the Protestant Order�s members are Labour supporters

Most of the orange order vote for the traditional catholic party and not the one with unionist in its name ? Yep checks out. Nothing else going on here definitely should take him at his word.

He also said that they aren't a bunch of bigoted arseholes, do you believe that as well ?

quote:

Do you actually think that Labour "have been hosed because they don't have a natural Unionist or Nationalist position" or were you just talking bollocks?

I do think that labour don't have a natural unionist position. Disagreeing with the SNP over their incompetent plan for independence does not make a party naturally unionist.
Can you outline why you think they do have a unionist position. Can you list some of their unionist policies ?

# ¿ May 9, 2017 23:01

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

Here's a thought exercise:

As a person of catholic heritage reading this statement
"the majority of Orange Lodge members who had successfully been elected as councillors were Labour"
Would you be more or less likely to vote for labour in the future? You know, the only party with the long history of protecting the rights of Catholics in Scotland ?

Do you think the head of the orange order is aware of the likely answer to this ?
Do you think he would say this if it were really true that most of his members who were councillors are labour councillors?
Do you think the timing of him crawling out from under a rock after a big tory win in the local elections is a coincidence ?

# ¿ May 9, 2017 23:14

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

Kin posted:

All I saw in the news on it this morning was it being highlighted that all the other parties constantly banging on about independence, with them denying it.

This is followed with the news just now highlighting the other parties banging in about independence again at every opportunity they can.

Going to quote this sick burn from Willie Rennie in response

quote:

Mr Rennie said the SNP's focus was "always independence", adding: "It took 44 days for Nicola Sturgeon to publish her Bill on another independence referendum. It took 15 months for them to write their mental health strategy.
"It took two years for us to persuade them to expand nursery education for two-year-olds and it took six years for us to persuade them about a pupil premium."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39995184

quote:

Her appearance sparked speculation on social media about her relationship to a Conservative councillor, and her personal circumstances. Some of these posts were retweeted by a number of senior SNP politicians, including MSPs and general election candidates, before later being deleted.

Isn't this the second NHS worker the SNP have had a witch hunt against ?

# ¿ May 22, 2017 23:04

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

Cat Mattress posted:

Are the Scottish nationalists using the "Only the SNP can stop the Tories" slogan?

not really, but emphasising that the Tories are scum and that they have opposed them in Westminster

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40091999

https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/thesnp/pages/9544/attachments/original/1496139998/Manifesto_2017.pdf?1496139998

I find their manifesto for the UK parliament wierd, it's full of stuff like

quote:

An end to austerity
SNP MPs will demand an end to austerity. We have a responsible plan to repair the public finances while also freeing up additional resources to bring an end to austerity. This will allow us to support a halt to further social security cuts, an end to the freeze on working age bene ts, increased investment
in public services and protection for family budgets.

So while the SNP MPs are demanding things in the UK parliament and getting ignored why haven't the SNP MSPs used their devolved tax raising powers to do something about it ?
It's an odd combination of pretending they'll have any significant influence in Westminster while hoping you forget they've been in government here for a decade done gently caress all about any of these thing despite having the devolved power to do so.

Also not strictly Scottish politics but interesting
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40098804

quote:

One in eight political stories shared on Twitter in the run-up to the general election is from a "junk news source", research suggests.

UK users shared one link from automated bot accounts promoting "junk" information for every four links to professionally produced news, according to the Oxford Internet Institute.

The study found content about the Labour Party dominated traffic.

# ¿ May 31, 2017 23:58

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

Cat Mattress posted:

Are the Scottish nationalists using the "Only the SNP can stop the Tories" slogan?

For those interested here's the what the leafleting in Glasgow looks like

Really depressing that the headline on all three is only x can beat y rather than any policy

# ¿ Jun 3, 2017 15:42

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

forkboy84 posted:

Wow, the Tory one actually says clearly CONSERVATIVE AND UNIONIST PARTY on the front? The one here was along the lines of "Ruth Davidson's Party" in the headline text. Which I thought was a bit odd considering Ruth has gently caress all to do with Westminster but so it goes.

Do they have a chance in your ward ? Wondering if they are happy to print it in Glasgow because they have 0 prospect of doing anything

# ¿ Jun 3, 2017 16:21

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

Autonomous Monster posted:

. At absolute worst people are saying they love Jeremy and would vote Labour in England- but are voting SNP up here ()

While labour have been shite for the last decade or so, I don't understand how anyone who claims to be a lefty can not vote for a party who are wanting to renationalise industry and increase public sector pay.

# ¿ Jun 4, 2017 15:24

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

Coohoolin posted:

the SNP conference routinely passes really left wing motions,

The SNP government sure as hell doesn't.

quote:

Holyrood tax raising powers aren't actually all that effective.

The ability to vary all the bands of income tax isn't an effective power ? Are you suggesting they should be able to increase VAT instead?

quote:

What IS true is that it's a lot easier for a small but dedicated group of political radicals to affect significant change in a smaller, more localised nation-state.

So you were pro brexit then ? because if the above was true the uk will much more likely to be lefty now we're out from under the European yoke ?

# ¿ Jun 7, 2017 21:09

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

Aramoro posted:

Thats a hell of an exit poll

Given how polls have gone recently I'll see you all in the morning for Prime Minster Tim Farron.

# ¿ Jun 8, 2017 22:56

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

quote:

The Tories are very hopeful in Gordon - the constituency of former SNP leader Alex Salmond, BBC political editor Laura Kuenssberg says.

lol

quote:

She says they are also very hopeful in Edinburgh South - the seat of Labour's Ian Murray.

also a lol ?

# ¿ Jun 8, 2017 23:49

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

Losing 22 seats? quick someone check on Cooholin

# ¿ Jun 8, 2017 23:49

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

Coohoolin posted:

So it looks like labour isn't winning anything but the tories are, so we have a useless Scottish labour and a political scene polarised between pro indy left and unionist right.

At least it's an easy to navigate environment.

Turns out there was negative consequence to polarising Scottish politics around petty nationalism. Who'd of thought

# ¿ Jun 9, 2017 00:01

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

Turnout down in Scotland

Lmao, SNP claiming to be more leftwing than labour on the BBC at the moment

jre fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Jun 9, 2017

# ¿ Jun 9, 2017 00:20

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

duckmaster posted:

Is there an IRC channel?

# ¿ Jun 9, 2017 00:25

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

hakimashou posted:

Are these things jokes or does he write columns like that?

I wondered why pissflaps was quoting his own post for a while there. Two of those avs is confusing

# ¿ Jun 17, 2017 00:30

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15428282.Wings_Over_Scotland_increases_defamation_claim_against_Kezia_Dugdale_to___25_000/?ref=mrb&lp=3

quote:

A PRO-INDEPENDENCE blogger is suing Scottish Labour leader Kezia Dugdale for �25,000 after she accused him of homophobia.

Wings Over Scotland, run by Bath-based Stuart Campbell, upped the amount from �10,000 after Dugdale repeated the allegation at First Minister�s Questions in May.

I'm sure that'll go well for him when all his past comments about Hillsborough and trans people get read out in court.

Also is speech in the Scottish parliament not privileged the same way as Westminster ?

# ¿ Jul 24, 2017 18:56

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

Niric posted:

Stuart Campbell is an utter prick and I hope he winds up with a big bill over this, but why on earth was Kezi Dugdale talking about witless bloggers in Parliament?

Calling out the SNP MSPs for supporting him apparently

# ¿ Jul 24, 2017 23:38

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

Leggsy posted:

As much as I'd like to ignore it. This Wings thing is actually looking like it's going to open a pretty big schism between the Zoomers and the non-shitheads within the Yes movement. Thankfully, it means that people actually have to take a side on whether to condemn or support him.

Let's start with Left-wing and openly LGBT MP, Mhairi Black. Should be a slam-dunk for the "non-shithead" faction, right?:
https://twitter.com/_CaitLogan/status/891629793552347137
Oh...oh no...

I look forward to coohoolin breathlessly rushing into the thread to tell us that a ~~red tory~~ Labour person once tweeted something bad too.

# ¿ Jul 30, 2017 21:48

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

Pissflaps posted:

My new fave twitter account

https://twitter.com/rabwilson11/status/894665207494193152

Is that his real account, or a markov chain trained on the broons and oor wullie

jre fucked around with this message at 00:20 on Aug 8, 2017

# ¿ Aug 8, 2017 00:18

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

Pissflaps posted:

That's why it's so good. It's impossible to tell.

Why the gently caress would you spell "rock" so that the implied pronunciation rhymes with boak.

Who's accent is that supposed to be ?

# ¿ Aug 8, 2017 00:28

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

Juliet Whisky posted:

Pride Glasgow / gently caress Police Scotland news:

As expected for an LGBT-friendly city in an LGBT-friendly country, Saturday saw a massive turnout for the Pride Parade. Unfortunately this event has become increasingly commercialised and apolitical in recent years, with many corporate floats, ticketing for the first time ever at the official festival addressed by the First Minister, and the presence of uniformed police and military on the parade. Indeed, Police Scotland were allowed the honour of leading the Parade off from Glasgow Green...

Objecting to the latter first and foremost (Pride began as a protest against police brutality), three persons from the Free Pride movement were arrested for peacefully being in the road as the Parade moved off. In return, the police showed that they too would like to go back to the good old days, tackling the protestors to the ground and locking them up for breach of the peace.

Partly for the same reasons, and also in response to recent events in the US and elsewhere, another bloc on the Parade chose to present as visibly anti-fascist / anti-capitalist / anti-pinkwashing. This too proved excessively controversial for event organisers, with the outcome that police stormed in to immediately arrest a 16-year-old wearing a rainbow flag for carrying a placard reading 'These faggots fight fascists'. Another person was arrested for trying to support this youngster as they were dragged away in tears by police. Both were thrown in the cells and charged with homophobically-aggravated breach of the peace; the supporter also got resisting arrest and police obstruction charges.

The Free Pride folks were liberated later on Saturday, to hopefully face no further consequences. The anti-fascist's supporter was released over a day later. Meanwhile, this most vulnerable arrestee was held for two nights in the cells before being brought before Glasgow Sheriff Court earlier today.

Pride Glasgow's organisers issued a statement over the weekend backing the police action to the hilt.

Happily, more sensible heads prevailed outwith the police station and the teenager was today liberated by the court to leave with family, and is unlikely to face further action. The person who tried to intercede on their behalf is now facing trial for resisting arrest and police obstruction, with the charge of 'homophobic breach of the peace' dropped. So it's a paradoxical charge of resisting arrest and obstructing police whilst being arrested for something the police now admit they didn't do.

There's a good write-up with pictures and video and historical context on this blog https://athousandflowers.net/2017/08/19/no-pride-in-police-arrests-in-glasgow-as-protesters-resist-police-led-pride-march (not my blog or write-up).

tl,dr: upset to find that not everyone loves them, Police Scotland proved the point by taking it out on one of the most vulnerable people attending the Glasgow Pride Parade, with organisers' support.

So your complaints seem to be

1. I'm 12 years old and hate the police. gently caress you dad.
2. People breaching the peace got arrested for breaching the peace.
3. Someone stupid enough to try and stop the police arresting someone got done for obstruction of justice.

What do you think happens to people who lie down in the road and refuse to move ?

# ¿ Aug 21, 2017 19:17

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

TomViolence posted:

Jings. This take's a right scorcher.

pride is too mainstream say angsty teenagers :qq:

# ¿ Aug 21, 2017 21:31

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

Juliet Whisky posted:

Maybe you guys should consider recanting since it seems the police are now coming after people making bad posts on the internet.

Public unequivocal show of support for LGBT rights by police and business community bad say people born after the repeal of section 28 and the decriminalisation of homosexuality

# ¿ Aug 21, 2017 22:58

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

cis autodrag posted:

You're a loving idiot if you don't think police still beat on and abuse LGBT people any chance they get. The police are not friends to the queer community and have no place in our gatherings and celebrations.

Thank you for rushing in to share your in depth knowledge of Police Scotland

# ¿ Aug 21, 2017 23:02

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

Juliet Whisky posted:

It's alleged

So no proof whatsoever then ?

quote:

pictures of people pinned face-down in the street for holding placards

They were getting arrested because they tried to disrupt a major event, and didn't move on when told by the police. Doing civil disobedience then crying when you get arrested is hilarious.

# ¿ Aug 21, 2017 23:29

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

Angepain posted:

This post pretty much reads as "you gays can shag now without getting automatically locked up why are any of you still protesting", you might want to have a think there

Yeah, if you ignore all the words in the post and insert your own prejudice I guess it says that.

# ¿ Aug 21, 2017 23:32

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

Juliet Whisky posted:

To the second point -- you're confusing people who undoubtedly anticipated the possibility of arrest with a kid on their first Pride Parade who thought they were safe to express themselves in Glasgow. The 16-year-old was holding a placard well away from the protest at the commencement of the march.

Oh right, so we're suddenly not talking about the people lying in front of the march now because your realise how stupid that made you look.

So to be clear, your complaint is that police are anti lgbt because they arrested someone who had a banner with "faggots" on it ? at pride ?

quote:

direct action

No you see it's not breaking the law if we call it direct action and we should be able to what we want with no consequences, this of course only applies to us and not to people with views we disagree with.

# ¿ Aug 22, 2017 00:57

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# ¿ May 10, 2024 14:20

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Hoops posted:

Can you expand on what you mean here? Because as it reads on the face of it you've got this 100% wrong in an insane way.

The police arrested the "antifa" 16 year old and charged him with homophobic breach of the peace because they (wrongly) thought his banner with "these faggots" on it was a protest against gay rights.

Juliet Whisky posted:

Both were thrown in the cells and charged with homophobically-aggravated breach of the peace;

So the police saw someone they they thought was a bigot with hate speech on a banner and arrested them.

3 other people tried to disrupt the march by running in front of it refusing to move, the police quite reasonably removed them.

Juliet Whisky is saying that this proves the police's burning hated of all lgbt people because .....

# ¿ Aug 22, 2017 20:38

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