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Which Thread Title shall we name this new thread?
This poll is closed.
Independence Day 2: Resturgeonce 44 21.36%
ScotPol - Unclustering this gently caress 19 9.22%
Trainspotting 2: Independence is my heroin 9 4.37%
Indyref II: Boris hosed a Dead Country 14 6.80%
ScotPol: Wings over Bullshit 8 3.88%
Independence 2: Cameron Lied, UK Died 24 11.65%
Scotpol IV: I Vow To Flee My Country 14 6.80%
ScotPol - A twice in a generation thread 17 8.25%
ScotPol - Where Everything's hosed Up and the Referendums Don't Matter 15 7.28%
ScotPol Thread: Dependence Referendum Incoming 2 0.97%
Indyref II: The Scottish Insturgeoncy 10 4.85%
ScotPol Thread: Act of European Union 5 2.43%
ScotPol - Like Game of Thrones only we wish we would all die 25 12.14%
Total: 206 votes
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Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

Jedit posted:

4% of UKIP voters want to remain in the EU.

The only way this makes sense is if they're too dumb to discern what the party they vote for is all about.

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Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

Pissflaps posted:

I'd like to see the unphotoshopped original image but only the altered one seems to exist on google.

Does anyone have it?

I found one, but it's a bit blurrier.



To be entirely frank, it looks like it's a anti-OO banner (note how it says "their culture", not "our culture".

That said, there's an Orange Order in Canada, where it had a lot of overlap with the KKK. Equivocating the two organization is 100% justified and accurate.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

jBrereton posted:

I for one cannot believe that calling for a referendum after a pisstakingly short amount of time since the last one would result in a minor swing away from the SNP.

Man, even before the date for the first indyref one was set, they were saying they'd have a second referendum in case of Brexit.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747
Look, if you use a logarithmic scale and you don't start at 0, you can get away with a lot of stuff.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747
You should have voted for Fishman.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747
Are the Scottish nationalists using the "Only the SNP can stop the Tories" slogan?

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747
With or without independence, socialism isn't happening anyway. That's just a FYI thing, don't let me deter you from voting yes.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747
Strongness and stableness.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747
More like Cringe Show.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

Niric posted:

Also interesting to see the National pre-empting the debate by pushing the story that tax rises will just increase tax avoidance

That's why you send the secret service spooks to assassinate tax dodgers and also forge their wills so that the state inherits 100% of their wealth. HTH.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

Angepain posted:

Really isn't all language mashed-up bullshit? Makes you think.

Heck look at the English verb "to be": you have like four different forms that are supposedly the same verb (be/been/being; am/are, was/were, is). The explanation is linguistic is suppletion, the idea that you had several synonymous but separate verbs and eventually they got mashed together into a single one because people started to always use one verb for a specific person/tense combination and another verb for another combination.

Also English is an especially mashed-up language because it's basically a creole of North Frisian, Old Danish, and Old French.

Cat Mattress fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Oct 14, 2017

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747
On the one hand, Brexit is a clear illustration of why Scotland's fate being dictated by the English is a terrible idea.

On the other hand, Brexit is also a clear illustration of why separatism is a terrible idea.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747
Oh I'm definitely in favor of Scecession; but I do think Brexit is going to have opposed effects, as it will both bolster independence support to flee the clusterfuck that is Brexit, and also bolster union support to avoid compounding it with another potential clusterfuck.

Which of these effects will be the greater, I have no idea.

Cat Mattress fucked around with this message at 19:21 on Nov 19, 2017

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

Coohoolin posted:

Scottish Labour just voted down a budget including a public sector pay cap raise and 400mil for the NHS because apparently even under a momentum candidate they can't get over how much they loving hate the SNP, at the expense of the country.

I'm not holding my breath for Scotlab to resurge any time soon.


TomViolence posted:

Scotland, you never cease to disappoint me.

So... ScotLab voted against leftist policies, and it's Corbyn's fault that ScotLab's support dwindles?

:thunk:

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

Pissflaps posted:

Do we think this is a good idea? What are the chances of it being built? Personally I’d love to get the train to Dublin.

As nice as it'd be to have a tunnel or bridge between both islands, there are many engineering challenges that stand in the way. For the Scotland-NI proposal, in particular, there's this in particular. Because of this, a longer tunnel or bridge between Wales and the Irish Republic might actually be simpler, and therefore cheaper.

You can look at the Channel Tunnel to get an idea of how long it'd take before you can begin amortizing the construction costs. Keep in mind that the Channel Tunnel has a lot more traffic than an Irish junction would get, too.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

EmptyVessel posted:

Cool. Yet he also attended (and may have been a member :D tho I'm not finding the source for this right now) a peculiar sort of 'gentleman's club' where young girls would dance naked and the chaps would compare penis size. Definitely no room for female oppression there.

Somewhere I've got a scan of a guide to Edinburgh prostitutes/brothels that iirc belonged to a friend of his, with descriptions of the women at each establishment and what you might expect them to do and how much it would cost. Again it's unlikely that these places were bastions of freedom and equality.

It's always wise before ascribing modern attitudes to historical people (especially ones with as large a hagiographic industry around them as Burns has) to try and get a really deep understanding of contemporary context and their place in it (and remember always that with the best will in the world the best understanding you get will still never be perfect, we hope for "Close, nice try").

The real question about Burns is which STD exactly gives one green rashes.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

Aramoro posted:

Its not really disingenuous when the stats are there saying exactly that. Fewer people from poor backgrounds are going to university in Scotland as opposed to England.

Yep, tuition is the only possible explanation. Let's campaign for setting tuition cost to one billion quid, that is sure to turn all the British lower class into Oxbridge graduates within the year.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747
Would there really be more places in university if tuition costs were like in England? Perhaps there wouldn't be an official cap, but a lot more poor people wouldn't be able to afford it. The results would be the same.

The problem isn't that free tuition doesn't work, the problem is that other things are also required. That doesn't make free tuition in itself a bad policy. It's still something that is necessary, even though it's not sufficient.

Basically we don't actually disagree.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747
I hold the (controversial, I admit) opinion that toddlers should not smoke in bed.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

marktheando posted:

It’s the same issue with any universal benefit- some people get very concerned about middle class people who can afford to pay getting them.

And then you get threshold effects. It's also hard to take into account details like area A having a higher cost of living than area B or person A having more dependents than person B: if you take such factors into account, the formalities to get assistance become much more complex to fill and validate; if you don't your system becomes unfair to people at the thresholds.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747
Look, if the United Kingdom ceases to be before March 2019, then Brexit can be aborted on a technicality!

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

Aramoro posted:

The EU are getting everything they want, negotiating with the Tories is going great for them. What you don't want is the Tories negotiating for you.

The EU isn't getting what it wants, since what it wants is a coherent and reasonable proposal from Britain. And instead it gets a bunch of self-contradicting ideas combined with absurd demands. The likely outcome is a no-deal Brexit, which is also not what the EU wants, but if the Tories are insisting on shooting their leg off after they shot their foot off, more power to them I guess.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

mehall posted:

sonic Scotland

Scotland the Hedgehog?

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Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747
His wig is slipping.

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